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{{France tank destroyers}}
 
{{France tank destroyers}}

Revision as of 02:12, 13 February 2019

Rank 7 USA
F-5C Pack
CA Lorraine
fr_lorraine_100.png
CA Lorraine
France flag.png France
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.7 6.0 6.0
Class:
Research:54 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:185 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Show in game

Description

GarageImage CA Lorraine.jpg


The Canon d'assaut Lorraine de 100 mm (100 mm Lorraine assault gun), or abbreviated CA Lorraine, is a Rank IV French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB) and 6.0 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance". It presents a very classic TD design: Casemate gun platform and powerful armament. While lacking a bit in terms of armour, it surely compensates with superior mobility.

The CA Lorraine is an intermediate between a SU-85 and a lowered Jagdpanther. It is distinguishable for having rubber road wheels instead of metal ones, two huge fans atop the engine deck (much like the German Jagdpanther), a very pointy gun mantlet pointing outwards from the casemate and quite a large, rounded commander's cupola. In some ways, it is quite similar to the fearsome AMX 50 Foch, this can scare away some cowardly foe.

Its sloped, medium thickness frontal armour will not protect you from anything bigger than SPAA shots (some may even get through in close quarters) but it is certainly sufficient for what it is designed to do: protecting from stray bullets in long range engagements. Side and top armour are also quite weak so don't expect to survive any kind of surprise coming from side or top. Still, this tank has 5 crew members, which can often save it from a (too) quick death.

If anyone thought the Lorraine 40t was a sprinter, this is even better. Being ~33% lighter, it only loses ~20% of its HP. What does all these numbers means? The CA Lorraine is fast. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can retreat at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking maneuvers or enemy breakthrough. An experimented player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.

This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time twice as long. Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 15 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't even have automatic firepower of any form.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (Casemate hull)
  • Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet, Driver's hatch)
Armour Front Sides Rear Roof
Hull 50 mm (55°) Front glacis
35 mm (60°) Lower glacis
60-150 (0-88°) + 35-60 mm (2-88°) Gun mantlet		 30 mm (15°) Front
30 mm Bottom 		25 mm (23°) Top
25 mm (55°) Bottom 		20 mm
8 mm Engine grille
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 50 mm 20 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick.

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons) 		Max speed (km/h)
25.0 N/A 68 (AB)
62 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 973 _,___
Realistic/Simulator 606 685
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 11.25 __.__
Realistic/Simulator 7.00 7.92

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: SA47 L/58 (100 mm)
100 mm SA47 L/58
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
40 -6°/+16° ±9° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 5.3 __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic 3.6 __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
15.6 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 90°
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
100 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 295 293 279 263 248 233
100 mm Obus explosif HE 22 22 21 20 20 20
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
100 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 1,060 15 N/A N/A N/A ° 48° 63° 71°
100 mm Obus explosif HE 1,000 15 0.1 0.5 1,400 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the CA Lorraine.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
40 31 (+9) 21 (+19) 11 (+29) 1 (+39) no

Usage in the battles

This tank sits with confidence at BR 6.0 as a regular tank destroyer. There is nothing very special to it but it performs good in most situations. Use your good mobility to take a competitive spot and reposition every now and then : once you get spotted, it is already too late. Hopefully, this tank's awesome mobility and neutral steering will make your day easier.

Use this tank as a classic tank destroyer while enjoying its great mobility. Any good move with a casemate TD is a good move with this tank.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good firepower.
  • Very good maneuverability.
  • Fast.
  • Very good reverse speed.
  • Low profile.
  • Wide tracks.
  • Neutral steering.
  • Uses the same gun as AMX-50-100 and Lorraine 40t.
  • Strong gun mantlet may bounce shots.
  • Awesome power ratio: 38+ HP/ton.

Cons:

  • Thin armour (50 mm) sloped at 55°.
  • Very thin side and top armour: not a frontline tank.
  • Weak LFP at 35mm (60°).
  • Reload rate is not impressive.
  • Poor gun depression (-6).
  • Lacks -HE filler in AP shots.
  • No coaxial MG.
  • Low gun placement.
  • Only two shell types.
  • Somewhat weak optic zoom.
  • Large hull.
  • Large ammo racks on both sides of the hull.

History

Developed and tested in the late 1940s. Never saw active service.

Media

An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

Read also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

ETC.

Sources

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

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