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Regardless of how you play the Maus, be it spearhead of pushes or as a one-man army, they both benefit heavily from the clever usage of your 75 mm secondary gun. You can for the most part forego the smoke grenades modification early on as you only get 6 charges total from a launcher affixed to the turret, compared to the dozens upon dozens of rounds you can load into the cannon. The HEAT shells allow the Maus to overpressure lightly armoured / open top vehicles, and the aforementioned smoke rounds let you effectively create a wall of smoke for you and your teammates to push through (for example, smoking up the sniping corridors on Port Novorossiysk in its most common Domination layout when you get the A-side spawn can allow your entire team to push up as you constantly blind the enemy from firing back). It is also notable that most people will try and disable your gun breech or barrel on the 12.8 cm cannon, but will very frequently forget about the existence of the 75 mm cannon as they either don't see it as a threat or have simply forgotten in the heat of battle. As such, you can barrel or track your enemies back as they try and attack, buying you precious time as you repair your crippled vehicle. One last tactic with the 75 mm is to bait enemies into pushing you by firing the gun at an enemy or around a corner, making them think you're on reload when in fact you're simply waiting for your prey to peek out. When doing this, you should abstain from firing the 75 mm rapidly as this may alert them to your tricks, and if possible you should try and hit a component (usually the side or exposed track of an enemy) so that the enemy doesn't suspect anything is amiss when they decide to push. Reverse a bit and machine gun them as they push out, and you have now successfully sold the illusion of helplessness and have the advantage positionally against the enemy, who is now advancing to their doom. | Regardless of how you play the Maus, be it spearhead of pushes or as a one-man army, they both benefit heavily from the clever usage of your 75 mm secondary gun. You can for the most part forego the smoke grenades modification early on as you only get 6 charges total from a launcher affixed to the turret, compared to the dozens upon dozens of rounds you can load into the cannon. The HEAT shells allow the Maus to overpressure lightly armoured / open top vehicles, and the aforementioned smoke rounds let you effectively create a wall of smoke for you and your teammates to push through (for example, smoking up the sniping corridors on Port Novorossiysk in its most common Domination layout when you get the A-side spawn can allow your entire team to push up as you constantly blind the enemy from firing back). It is also notable that most people will try and disable your gun breech or barrel on the 12.8 cm cannon, but will very frequently forget about the existence of the 75 mm cannon as they either don't see it as a threat or have simply forgotten in the heat of battle. As such, you can barrel or track your enemies back as they try and attack, buying you precious time as you repair your crippled vehicle. One last tactic with the 75 mm is to bait enemies into pushing you by firing the gun at an enemy or around a corner, making them think you're on reload when in fact you're simply waiting for your prey to peek out. When doing this, you should abstain from firing the 75 mm rapidly as this may alert them to your tricks, and if possible you should try and hit a component (usually the side or exposed track of an enemy) so that the enemy doesn't suspect anything is amiss when they decide to push. Reverse a bit and machine gun them as they push out, and you have now successfully sold the illusion of helplessness and have the advantage positionally against the enemy, who is now advancing to their doom. | ||
− | Much of your time in the Maus will be spent trying to turn the vehicle. While at speed it can initially turn a bit well, it quickly loses all its speed and trying to make this goliath turn while also holding down the W key can feel like a herculean struggle. As such, try and plan routes ahead of time in your head and minimize the time spent turning, as frequent course corrections will be the biggest time sink you can avoid just with some simple planning. When turning, after the initial slight turn at speed it's generally faster to just use the neutral steering and wait a while, before advancing again towards your enemies. Your turret speed, while not slow for its immense size and weight, also very much isn't as fast as contemporary tanks at this tier, so if you want to get your gun on target it may sometimes be necessary to turn the entire hull a bit to gain some extra horizontal guidance speed. | + | Much of your time in the Maus will be spent trying to turn the vehicle. While at speed it can initially turn a bit well, it quickly loses all its speed and trying to make this goliath turn while also holding down the W key can feel like a herculean struggle. As such, try and plan routes ahead of time in your head and minimize the time spent turning, as frequent course corrections will be the biggest time sink you can avoid just with some simple planning. When turning, after the initial slight turn at speed it's generally faster to just use the neutral steering and wait a while, before advancing again towards your enemies. Your turret speed, while not slow for its immense size and weight, also very much isn't as fast as contemporary tanks at this tier, so if you want to get your gun on target it may sometimes be necessary to turn the entire hull a bit to gain some extra horizontal guidance speed. It is also handy to note that as the vehicle is usually traveling slowly, unless on bumpy terrain or an incline, you have the ability to fire forwards fairly accurately on the move. If your aim doesn't work out for this technique, don't sweat it, but if you can master this skill it may net you an extra kill or two that you'd have been more reserved about firing at prior to practicing. |
− | '''Potential | + | '''Potential Dangers''' |
The Maus is one of the most iconic tanks in the game and in military history both for its immense and in many ways super-sized nature. As such, your weakspots from the front are generally well understood and even your ammo rack locations in the side of your vehicle are somewhat public knowledge as well. The biggest priority against many enemies would be to angle; If a [[M41A1]] gets on your side and fires an APDS round into your ammunition rack, you may sometimes find yourself detonating instantly and wondering what in the world went wrong. Angling the hull as a whole generally does greatly increase your overall armor effectiveness from most AP and APDS rounds, so against enemies that fire these rounds this may help. | The Maus is one of the most iconic tanks in the game and in military history both for its immense and in many ways super-sized nature. As such, your weakspots from the front are generally well understood and even your ammo rack locations in the side of your vehicle are somewhat public knowledge as well. The biggest priority against many enemies would be to angle; If a [[M41A1]] gets on your side and fires an APDS round into your ammunition rack, you may sometimes find yourself detonating instantly and wondering what in the world went wrong. Angling the hull as a whole generally does greatly increase your overall armor effectiveness from most AP and APDS rounds, so against enemies that fire these rounds this may help. |
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Description
The Pz.Kpfw. VIII Maus is a rank V German heavy tank with a battle rating of 8.0 (AB) and 7.7 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.47 "Big Guns" as a main tree vehicle, however in Update 1.91 "Night Vision" it was shifted to a gift vehicle for players who previously owned it. It was later available for research for a limited time during War Thunder's 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th anniversary events. The Maus is the epitome of the word 'heavy tank' and as such sports one of the thickest raw armor values in the game, alongside a monstrous weight of 188 tons and the size to show for it. The vehicle has various tools to spearhead a charge and lead your team to victory, but if positioned incorrectly or if the tools it has are underutilized players will quickly find that the Maus isn't as easygoing as its armor may suggest.
The Maus is more than just a mobile pillbox - its size and armor commandeer the term 'mobile bunker' instead. The 12.8 mm cannon on the Maus has devastating effectiveness, with options between a higher-filler, lower penetrating round and the 12.8/8.8 APHEDS round which has over 300 mm of flat penetration and flies a good 300m/s faster than the prior round. The vehicle's mobility is limited by the transmission to 20.8km/h both forwards and backwards, meaning careful planning of the vehicle's path is crucial to avoid downtime by trying to turn the hull. Armor is by far the most notable trait of the vehicle, but with a catch - the Maus straddles the line between Cold War and World War 2 vehicles, and as such the armor can swing wildly between not stopping any rounds or bouncing every enemy shell off the front. Careful positioning and planning is required to excel in the Maus, but if one takes the time to master it it can be nigh impossible to take down outside of a concerted team effort to take it down.
General info
Survivability and armour
Armour type:
- Rolled homogeneous armour
- Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
Armour | Front | Sides | Rear | Roof |
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Hull | 200 mm (55°) Front glacis 200 mm (35°) Lower glacis |
180 mm Top 100 mm Bottom 300 mm Weld joints |
150 mm (36°) Top 150 mm (31°) Bottom |
50 mm General area 100 mm Front roof |
Turret | 232 mm (3-53°)Turret front 240 mm Gun mantlet |
205 mm (30°) | 200 mm (15°) | 60 mm |
Notes:
- The armour on the Maus is quite complex, and definitely does not end with the above-mentioned values
- Gun mantlet is 240 mm thick and nicely rounded, right around both guns the armour is 300 mm thick
- Tracks at the front are protected by 100+60 mm plates (100 mm basic plate + attached tracks)
- Behind the frontal upper plate on deck armour, there are many 60 mm highly sloped plates of armour, protecting the engine vents and turret ring from HEAT/HE shells and some small-calibre fire
- Frontal part of the belly is also 100 mm thick, with the rest being 50 mm
- Deck armour in front of these plates is also strengthened to an impressive 100 mm
- Side armour is split to two parts, top with 180 mm and bottom with 100 mm + tracks
- Even inside the tank there is armour - there are many 20 mm plates inside the tank, separating crew compartments from various modules, and partially protecting the interior from shrapnel that penetrated the tank from other areas
- One plate is at the rear of the tank, between the enormous transmission and the fighting compartment
- The second plate is more to the front, separating fighting compartment from the middle-mounted Engine and its radiators
- The third plate is in the front between the driver's compartment and the engine
- Around the driver there are many more 20 mm plates, adding some protection to fuel tanks located there
Mobility
The Maus weighs 188 tons. This is more than twice the weight of similar vehicles like it, such as the T95, TOG II, M103 or even the M1 Abrams, and it shows in the tank's mobility. The Maus tops out at a fairly slow 20.8 km/h in both forwards and reverse speed, which is enabled by its electric transmission, although it can easily reach and stay at this speed across most terrain due to strong torque. The tank slows down noticeably when turning, so if the player wishes to reach destinations at a brisker pace it is advised to minimize the number of turns needed to get to a point of interest.
Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
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Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
Arcade | 22 | 22 | 188 | 1,549 | 2,290 | 8.24 | 12.18 |
Realistic | 21 | 21 | 1,061 | 1,200 | 5.64 | 6.38 |
Modifications and economy
In general, mobility upgrades and the 12.8/8.8 cm APHEDS round should be prioritized, but the APHEDS round isn't mandatory and should generally be considered the lower lethality but higher penetrating 'option', not a 'requirement' to do well in the Maus. Between penetration and one-shot potential, it is generally a preferential choice and whichever one you find more consistent should be your go-to choice of ammunition.
Armaments
Main armament
128 mm KwK44 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||||||||
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Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
Arcade | 68 | -7°/+23° | ±180° | N/A | 6.6 | 9.0 | 10.9 | 12.0 | 12.8 | 23.66 | 20.93 | 19.30 | 18.20 |
Realistic | 4.8 | 5.6 | 6.8 | 7.5 | 8.0 |
Ammunition
Penetration statistics | |||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
Sprgr. L/5 | HE | 37 | 37 | 37 | 37 | 37 | 37 |
PzGr | APC | 252 | 249 | 237 | 222 | 208 | 195 |
PzGr 43 | APCBC | 272 | 269 | 257 | 242 | 228 | 215 |
12,8/8,8 Pzgr.TS | APCBC | 312 | 307 | 288 | 266 | 245 | 226 |
Shell details | ||||||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | |||||
0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
Sprgr. L/5 | HE | 750 | 28 | 0 | 0.1 | 3,700 | 79° | 80° | 81° | |||
PzGr | APC | 930 | 26.35 | 1.2 | 19 | 786.5 | 48° | 63° | 71° | |||
PzGr 43 | APCBC | 940 | 28.3 | 1.2 | 19 | 786.5 | 48° | 63° | 71° | |||
12,8/8,8 Pzgr.TS | APCBC | 1,230 | 9.85 | 1.2 | 19 | 108.8 | 48° | 63° | 71° |
Ammo racks
Full ammo |
Ammo parts |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
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68 | Projectiles Propellants |
55 (+13) 57 (+11) |
33 (+35) 45 (+23) |
25 (+43) 37 (+31) |
17 (+51) 23 (+45) |
9 (+59) 15 (+53) |
1 (+67) 1 (+67) |
No |
Notes:
- The Maus uses two-piece ammunition, composed of projectiles (yellow) and propellant charges (orange). Both have separate racks.
- Projectiles and propellants are modeled by sets of 2 which disappear once both in the set have been fired.
- Turret empty: 45 (+23) shells.
Additional armament
The Maus comes equipped with what is ostensibly the main gun of low tier German vehicles - the 75 mm cannon. While the gun is technically slightly different with it being a L/36.5 and not a L/37, performance is near identical. This 75 mm unlike other coaxial guns on other heavy tanks such as the M6A1/T1E1 has significant utility and without it the Maus would be far worse off. This utility includes being able to quickly load and fire HEAT shells at flanking open top or light vehicles to overpressure them, track or barrel enemies that barrel your main gun and try to push up to you, and creating what is basically a smoke wall by firing smoke rounds in succession as you advance to cover potentially lethal corridors.
75 mm KwK44 L/36.5 | Reloading rate (seconds) | ||||||
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Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
100 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 5.20 | 4.60 | 4.24 | 4.00 |
Ammunition
Penetration statistics | |||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
Sprgr. 34 | HE | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
Hl.Gr 38B | HEAT | 80 | 80 | 80 | 80 | 80 | 80 |
Hl.Gr 38C | HEAT | 115 | 115 | 115 | 115 | 115 | 115 |
Shell details | ||||||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | |||||
0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
Sprgr. 34 | HE | 420 | 5.74 | 0.2 | 0.1 | 686 | 79° | 80° | 81° | |||
Hl.Gr 38B | HEAT | 450 | 4.4 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 872.1 | 62° | 69° | 73° | |||
Hl.Gr 38C | HEAT | 450 | 4.8 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 875.5 | 62° | 69° | 73° |
Smoke shell characteristics | ||||||
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Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Screen radius (m) |
Screen deploy time (s) |
Screen hold time (s) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
K.Gr.Rot Nb. | 423 | 6.2 | 9 | 5 | 20 | 50 |
Ammo racks
Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
100 | 76 (+24) | 51 (+49) | 26 (+74) | 1 (+99) | No |
Notes:
- Racks are modelled by sets of 5 shells. The sets disappear from the rack once all shells in the set have been loaded/fired.
- Turret empty: 76 (+24) shells.
Machine guns
7.92 mm MG34 | ||||
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Mount | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal |
Coaxial | 1,000 (150) | 900 | -7°/+23° | N/A |
Usage in battles
Pros:
- Nigh unkillable tank against many guns when angled and at range
- Capable of soaking a large amount of damage and very resilient to bombs and rockets
- Turret sides are as strong as, if not stronger than, the front of the turret
- Good traction, will reach its top speed consistently on almost all terrain
- Very difficult to immobilize, due to extremely thick track skirts
- Powerful 128 mm cannon and rounds
- Secondary 75 mm coaxial cannon offers extreme utility without sacrificing your 128 mm gun's reload
- Has commander sights, useful for looking around without moving the turret
Cons:
- Slow at everything, struggles to crest hills quickly, turn the hull or turn the turret quickly
- Fairly easy to take on without any team support
- Easily damageable ammunition racks in the sides of the vehicle
- Gargantuan profile; Easily spotted from long range
- Armor is insufficient against modern rounds and missiles
- Big size makes it an easy target to cripple using CAS
- Optics have low zoom, making it hard to spot targets at range
- Secondary 75 mm has high drop and needs keys bound to it for effective use
History
Development
This monster of a tank started development in 1942 on the suggestion of Ferdinand Porsche to Hitler, which was approved. The first prototype was to be completed by 1943 and the project vehicle was designated the Mammut (Mammoth). The name changed in December 1942 to Mäuschen (Little Mouse), then once more to the Maus (Mouse) in February 1943, which stayed as its designation (and perhaps proving that Germany does have a sense of humour).
The prototype used Ferdinand's "electric transmission" that was previously used on the rejected Tiger(P), the vehicle would be powered by an MB 517 diesel engine. The Maus has a suspension design with 24 wheels on each side, 2 per bogie with two bogies side by side and six bogies lining up from front and back. The armour was perhaps the most defining feature at 220 mm thick at the hull front, the sides and rear were 190 mm thick. The turret was even thicker at 240 mm on the front and 200 mm on the sides and rear. The vehicle was to also have a 128 mm KwK44 main gun with a 75 mm KwK44 gun as a coaxial. The overwhelming design was approximated to weight 100 tons.
The production plan was to have the prototype completed by mid-1943 and for 10 vehicles per month after the prototype delivery. Work would be divided between Krupp and Alkett for the production of the machine. The wooden model of the tank was presented on May 1943 to Hitler. It was then approved for production and 150 of them were to be built. With the final design finished, it was estimated to weight 188 tons now. Though Hitler and his peers saw it with much favour, Heinz Guderian criticised the Maus design because there was a lack of machine guns, thus it was extremely vulnerable to infantry attacks at close-quarters for the same reason as the Ferdinand tank destroyer. The anti-infantry problem was solved with the addition of a coaxial machine gun and a "Nahverteidigungswaffe" dischargers, firing smoke or high-explosive shells in its surrounding area, installed on the turret.
Production and cancellation
Two prototypes of the Maus were made in 1943 and 1944. The first one, called V1 was turretless and assembled by Alkett in December 1943, it was fitted with a mock turret that helped finalise the turret design in 1944. Here they determine the Maus was definitely too heavy for any bridges in existence so the Maus would ford rivers with a snorkel. The second prototype called V2 by Alkett again had the first produced Maus turret attached with the 128 mm gun, coaxial 75 mm gun, and coaxial machine gun. In July 1944, Krupp was producing four more hulls, but these were scrapped and the whole project stopped on August 1944, though tests with the V2 continued. The weight of the tank meant that the power-to-weight ratio was extremely poor, resulting in the Maus' ideal speed of about 8 miles per hour maximum in ideal conditions.
However, the Maus was never fully produced because it was the only tank that ceased production because of a strategic bombing campaign that would ruin its production facilities. Adding to this, by 1944, the Red Army was advancing deeper and deeper into what was previously German-controlled territory. The vision that the Red Army might capture the testing grounds of the Maus prototypes and the prototypes themselves seem to come closer to reality. The Germans were forced to destroy the prototypes to prevent their capture by the Soviets, placing charges onto the V2 prototype (the V1 was only a hull so it wasn't combat-effective). The second prototype had the entire hull damaged as there was ammunition still in the tank when the charges went off, but the turret was mostly intact. The Soviets captured the damaged prototypes and held them until the end of the war. After World War II, the Soviet Commander of Armoured and Mechanized troops ordered for the V1 hull to be attached with the turret from the V2 prototype. They had to use six Sd.Kfz. 9, the largest half-track vehicles produced by Germany, to move the 55-ton turret to the hull. The fixed prototype was sent back to the Soviet Union for testing and arrive on May 4, 1946. Once this is done, the prototype was sent to Kubinka Tank museum in Russia where it lays today on display for the public.
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An experimental super-heavy tank built in Germany towards the end of the war. The project was developed by Ferdinand Porsche. The first tank was assembled at the Alkett factory in Berlin on August 1, 1943. The first trial run of the Type 205/1 tank was conducted on December 24, 1943. The turret still wasn't ready, so a load equal to the weight of the turret was placed on top of the tank. The prototype turned out to be quite manoeuvrable once it was able to leave the assembly area, where it had been rather cramped. According to those who had the opportunity to drive the tank, the Maus was easier to drive than the Pz.Kpfw. IV. In November, 1943 a 44 calibre, 128 mm KwK44 cannon was built that was intended for the tank. The cannon's designation was later changed to 12.8 cm KwK82. The weapon was tested at the Meppen training ground. The turret was installed on the 205/1 prototype on July 6, 1944, and on October 3, 1944 the armament was installed and the fully-outfitted tank was tested at the training ground in Kummersdorf. Both prototypes were tested in Kummersdorf, but no reliable information on these tests is available. Whether or not experimental firing was conducted is also unknown. Toward the end of the war, bodies and turrets had begun to be produced in addition to the prototypes that had been built. As the Soviet troops were approaching in 1945 both prototypes were blown up. Soviet specialists were able to reconstruct one Maus from the wreckage. This rebuilt tank was delivered to the training ground in Kubinka in 1946, where various tests were performed. The Panzerkampfwagen Maus can currently be viewed on display at the tank museum in Kubinka. |
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External links
- [Devblog] Panzerkampfwagen VIII «Maus»
- [Historical] Panzerkampfwagen VIII "Maus", Part I, Part II, and Part III
Germany heavy tanks | |
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Tiger 1 (Henschel) | Tiger H1 · Tiger E · ␠Tiger |
Tiger 1 (Porsche) | VK 45.01 (P) · Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P |
Tiger 2 | Tiger II (P) · Tiger II (H) · Tiger II (H) Sla.16 · Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) |
Super heavy tanks | Maus · E-100 |
Trophies | |
Great Britain | ▀Pz.Kpfw. Churchill |
USSR | ▀KV-IB · ▀KW I C 756 (r) · ▀KW II 754 (r) |