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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Make an air or ground vehicles list on which this weapon is installed in our game.''
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The '''47mm Semi-Automatique model 1934''' was one of the first standardized tank gun in France since WW1. initially presented as a successor to the Puteaux SA18, this gun was a tank adaptation of the 47mm Modèle 1885 Marine, a naval gun who offered a decent performance for the ships. the SA34 was introduced in 1934 when it was first mounted on the Char D1. despite of having a reduced penetration over the 37mm, the 47mm SA34 was having a much higher fire-support capacity and was more adapted to fight fornication. France didn't used a lot of those gun, they might only had produced about 250 of those guns and they was mainly used for Colonial tanks and training tanks. the gun was soon replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35.
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
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* {{Specs-Link|fr_amc_34}}
 
* {{Specs-Link|fr_amc_34}}
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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Clearly in-adapted for tank battle, the 47mm SA34 was mainly used for Colonial tanks where the Penetration less needed. the gun is a relatively short gun with a Barrel of calibre 30. this cause the velocity and by consequence, the penetration to be rather low. with only 450 m/sec, this gun would fire one of the slowest rounds for a tank gun that is not howitzer type. the gun use the Obus de rupture modèle 1892G which was heritage from the Naval gun on which it was based. this round have the chance to carry 50 g of black-powder which increase significantly the damage post-penetration.
  
 
=== Available shells ===
 
=== Available shells ===
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''Describe the shells that are available for the cannon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="10" |Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" |Type of
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warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity
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(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile
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Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
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(m)
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! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
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(mm)
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! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
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(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! colspan="3" |Ricochet
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|-
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!0%
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!50%
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!100%
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|-
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|Mle1892G
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|APHE
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|450
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|1.48
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|1.2
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|6
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|50
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|47°
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|60°
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|65°
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|}
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" |Type of
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warhead
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! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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|-
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!10 m
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!100 m
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!500 m
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!1,000 m
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!1,500 m
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!2,000 m
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|-
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|Mle1892G
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|APHE
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|27
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|26
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|20
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|15
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|11
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|8
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|}
  
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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This gun is rather difficult to play. most the tank it would mean would nearly seem immune to this gun, however, if there is a penetration, the damage is pretty important. it is recommended to use this gun only at close range and aim for the armour the part that appear to most flat in the angle of impact. most tanks have a extra armour shield on the front of the turret, it might be a good idea to avoid to aim for this part. when possible, engage your target from the side. light targets such as armoured car, SPAA and SPG who could be qualified as "glass cannon" are gift for this gun. as soon you meet a medium tank, you may be wiser to not engage it with this gun.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Decent post-penetration damage
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Terrible penetration
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* low velocity rounds
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* Pretty much the lowest penetration of all game in the game
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* Moving target hard to hit due to the low velocity
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* just ineffective at over 500m, and sometime even less.
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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''The 47mm SA34 was a tank gun developed from the 47mm Modèle 1885 marine. presented as a improvement to the 37mm SA18 to the army, the gun was packing more fire-power over the 37mm which didn't yet had any improved anti-tank rounds yet (back them the penetration didn't reach 20mm). also having a better capacity to support the infantry, the his HE shell was much more effective against the fortification than the 37mm's. introduced for the first time with the Char D1 which was at that time the Replacement of the Renault FT, the gun didn't leave his mark amounts of the great french gun of WW2. this gun equipped 160 Chard D1, 50 Char D2, 35 Char B1, 6 AMC 34 and 3 or 4 Somua AC-3 which give a total of less than 250 vehicles using this gun. introduced in 1934, this gun was officially replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35 which offer a much better anti-tank capacity. the tanks using this gun was all used for colonial duty or training tanks. in the colony, the penetration was less needed and the power of the HE rounds was much more helpful.''
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by the time WW2 started, many tanks was still using the 47mm SA34. some was force to be used in the front line to replace the lost in the armoured units. when possible, many of those tanks, notably the Char D2 and Char B1 saw the SA34 been replaced by the SA35. in 1940, the situation in France getting disastrous, any colonial tanks that could be useful in battle was call back from north Africa. the Char D1 and Char D2 notably fought the German Panzer division in Europe, and they turn out to be rather effective due to the fact at that time, the German tank seldom had more than 15mm of armour. but the bad condition of the tanks that was using those gun and the fact that it was shadowed by the 47mm SA35 led that gun to just been overseen as a weapons of low impact in the battlefield.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
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== External links ==
 
== External links ==
 
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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* ''Trackstory 03 - Les Chars B B1-B1bis-B1ter''
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* ''Trackstory 08 - Renault D1''
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* ''Trackstory 09 - Renault D2''
  
 
{{France tank cannons}}
 
{{France tank cannons}}
  
 
[[Category:Tank cannons]]
 
[[Category:Tank cannons]]

Revision as of 04:35, 29 July 2022

Description

The 47mm Semi-Automatique model 1934 was one of the first standardized tank gun in France since WW1. initially presented as a successor to the Puteaux SA18, this gun was a tank adaptation of the 47mm Modèle 1885 Marine, a naval gun who offered a decent performance for the ships. the SA34 was introduced in 1934 when it was first mounted on the Char D1. despite of having a reduced penetration over the 37mm, the 47mm SA34 was having a much higher fire-support capacity and was more adapted to fight fornication. France didn't used a lot of those gun, they might only had produced about 250 of those guns and they was mainly used for Colonial tanks and training tanks. the gun was soon replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

Clearly in-adapted for tank battle, the 47mm SA34 was mainly used for Colonial tanks where the Penetration less needed. the gun is a relatively short gun with a Barrel of calibre 30. this cause the velocity and by consequence, the penetration to be rather low. with only 450 m/sec, this gun would fire one of the slowest rounds for a tank gun that is not howitzer type. the gun use the Obus de rupture modèle 1892G which was heritage from the Naval gun on which it was based. this round have the chance to carry 50 g of black-powder which increase significantly the damage post-penetration.

Available shells

Shell details
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1892G APHE 450 1.48 1.2 6 50 47° 60° 65°
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1892G APHE 27 26 20 15 11 8

Comparison with analogues

Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns, that have firepower equal to these type of weapons.

Usage in battles

This gun is rather difficult to play. most the tank it would mean would nearly seem immune to this gun, however, if there is a penetration, the damage is pretty important. it is recommended to use this gun only at close range and aim for the armour the part that appear to most flat in the angle of impact. most tanks have a extra armour shield on the front of the turret, it might be a good idea to avoid to aim for this part. when possible, engage your target from the side. light targets such as armoured car, SPAA and SPG who could be qualified as "glass cannon" are gift for this gun. as soon you meet a medium tank, you may be wiser to not engage it with this gun.

Pros and cons

Summarize and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.

Pros:

  • Decent post-penetration damage

Cons:

  • Terrible penetration
  • low velocity rounds
  • Pretty much the lowest penetration of all game in the game
  • Moving target hard to hit due to the low velocity
  • just ineffective at over 500m, and sometime even less.

History

The 47mm SA34 was a tank gun developed from the 47mm Modèle 1885 marine. presented as a improvement to the 37mm SA18 to the army, the gun was packing more fire-power over the 37mm which didn't yet had any improved anti-tank rounds yet (back them the penetration didn't reach 20mm). also having a better capacity to support the infantry, the his HE shell was much more effective against the fortification than the 37mm's. introduced for the first time with the Char D1 which was at that time the Replacement of the Renault FT, the gun didn't leave his mark amounts of the great french gun of WW2. this gun equipped 160 Chard D1, 50 Char D2, 35 Char B1, 6 AMC 34 and 3 or 4 Somua AC-3 which give a total of less than 250 vehicles using this gun. introduced in 1934, this gun was officially replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35 which offer a much better anti-tank capacity. the tanks using this gun was all used for colonial duty or training tanks. in the colony, the penetration was less needed and the power of the HE rounds was much more helpful.

by the time WW2 started, many tanks was still using the 47mm SA34. some was force to be used in the front line to replace the lost in the armoured units. when possible, many of those tanks, notably the Char D2 and Char B1 saw the SA34 been replaced by the SA35. in 1940, the situation in France getting disastrous, any colonial tanks that could be useful in battle was call back from north Africa. the Char D1 and Char D2 notably fought the German Panzer division in Europe, and they turn out to be rather effective due to the fact at that time, the German tank seldom had more than 15mm of armour. but the bad condition of the tanks that was using those gun and the fact that it was shadowed by the 47mm SA35 led that gun to just been overseen as a weapons of low impact in the battlefield.

Media

An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • Trackstory 03 - Les Chars B B1-B1bis-B1ter
  • Trackstory 08 - Renault D1
  • Trackstory 09 - Renault D2


France tank cannons
20 mm  20F2
25 mm  SA35 L/72
37 mm  SA18 L/21 · SA38 L/33
47 mm  SA34 L/30 · SA35 L/32 · SA37
75 mm  APX · APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897 · SA35 L/17 · SA44 · SA49 · SA50 L/57
90 mm  D.911 APX · CN90 F2 · CN90 F3 · CN90 F4 · D915 · DEFA F1 · SA45 · SA47
100 mm  SA47 L/58
105 mm  CN-105-F1 · Modele F2 · PzK M57
120 mm  GIAT CN120-25 G1 · GIAT CN120-26 F1 · SA46
142 mm  ACRA
155 mm  GCT F1 · Schneider 155 C · L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
  Foreign:
15 mm  MG 151 (Germany)
20 mm  MG 151 (Germany)
30 mm  Bushmaster 2 Mk.44 (USA)
37 mm  M6 (USA)
40 mm  Bofors L/60 · QF 2-pounder (Britain)
75 mm  KwK42 (Germany) · M3 (USA) · M6 (USA)
76 mm  M7 (USA)
90 mm  M3 (USA)
105 mm  M4 (USA)

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