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Self Propelled 17pdr, Avenger (A30)
General characteristics
4 peopleCrew
75 %Visibility
front / side / backArmour
64 / 46 / 38Hull
76 / 32 / 57Turret
31.5 tWeight
1145 hp600 hpEngine power
36.3 hp/t19 hp/tPower-to-weight ratio
57 km/h forward
4 km/h back
52 km/h forward
4 km/h back
76 mm QF 17-pounder cannonMain weapon
55 roundsAmmunition
5.6 / 7.2 sReload
-10° / 17°Vertical guidance
40000 Rp icon.pngResearch
150000 Sl icon.pngPurchase
Sl icon.png3000 / 3710/2980 / 3686/2350 / 2906Repair
43000 Sl icon.pngCrew training
150000 Sl icon.pngExperts
550 Ge icon.pngAces
154 % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
150 % Sl icon.png130 % Sl icon.png90 % Sl icon.png


GarageImage Avenger.jpg

The Self Propelled 17pdr, Avenger (A30) is a Rank III British tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.7 (AB/RB/SB). It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. It was based on a lengthened Cromwell hull from the A30 Challenger from World War II.

General info

Survivability and armour

Avenger is one of the most unexpected survivors on battlefields of War Thunder, both arcade and realistic mode. All of this is due to fact, that it's crew sits in very specific places and vehicle's armour doesn't have any small weird weak spots. In fact, armour and overall module placement is so solid, it can sometimes hold off SPAA attack, some bombs and, with some angling and range, even stock M4A3E2 shells.

Even if shells penetrate (usually though angled sides of turret), usually only 2 crew members get knocked out. The only strange weakspot it has is the windows on top of turret. While roof windows seem to be a flaw, as it creates potential for HE shells to simply fly inside of Avenger and decimate entire crew, in reality nobody uses them at this BR. Even strafing planes have hard time hitting anything through those windows, and rather penetrate roof completely, which is still a challenge.

Because of that, windows instead give enemy APHE shells a high chance to bounce around and fly out of window without exploding inside of vehicle. In fact, this happens so often, single avenger can survive up to 6 direct shots while losing only gunner or loader, while vehicles like Sherman Firefly would be destroyed in one hit by those.

Armour Type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front Sides Rear Roof
Hull 63.5 mm (1°) Front plate
30 mm (71°) Front glacis
57.15 mm (19°) Lower glacis
14 mm 38.1 mm (1°) Top
38.1 mm (13-59°) Bottom
20 mm
Turret 63.5 mm (0-49°) Turret front
40 mm (30-31°) Gun mantlet
40 mm (0-1°) 40 mm (8-40°) 20 mm


  • Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick.
  • Rack on top of the hull rear seems to be stacking 38.1 mm armour. No concrete evidence of their effectiveness as of yet.


Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons)
Max speed (km/h)
31.5 N/A 56 (AB)
52 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 852 1,049
Realistic/Simulator 531 600
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 27.05 33.30
Realistic/Simulator 16.86 19.04


Main armament

76 mm OQF 17-pounder
Capacity Vertical
55 -10°/+17° ±180° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 12.33 17.06 __.__ __.__ 24.38
Realistic 8.33 9.80 __.__ __.__ 14.00
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
7.28 __.__ __.__ 5.60
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
Penetration in mm @ 90°
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Shot Mk.6 AP 160 157 133 112 96 86
Shell Mk.1 HE 9 9 9 9 9 9
Shot Mk.4 APC 165 160 138 108 94 81
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 171 168 156 143 130 120
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
in m/s
Mass in kg
Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
Normalization At 30°
from horizontal:
0% 50% 100%
Shot Mk.6 AP 883 7.7 N/A N/A N/A -1° 47° 60° 65°
Shell Mk.1 HE 883 7.0 0.4 0.5 580 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Shot Mk.4 APC 883 7.7 N/A N/A N/A -1° 48° 63° 71°
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 883 7.7 N/A N/A N/A +4° 48° 63° 71°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s
Mass in kg
Screen radius
in m
Screen time
in s
Screen hold time
in s:
Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
17pdr Shell SS Mk.1 754 8.4 13 5 20 50
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Avenger.
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
rack empty
55 49 (+6) 42 (+13) 35 (+20) 28 (+27) 21 (+34) 14 (+41) (+48) (+54) yes

Turret empty: 49 (+6)

Usage in the battles

The Avenger plays like an upgunned and a bit more sluggish Cromwell. There are two main play styles possible with this vehicle.

Close range flanker: The Avenger's mobility allows it to sneak up to the enemy's flank without too much problems. With its awesome gun depression, it can pop over a hill and shoot before engaging a "turn fight" (running around the enemy's tank too fast so he can't aim at you). Such manoeuvre has a greater chance of success on isolated enemies since you need to get at least 2 shots to destroy any tank you might encounter. This kind of strategy is great early in the game, to counter-capture a point by , for example, an enemy Hellcat that rushed it. A small note there: make sure to pre-aim in the general direction of your enemy since the turret turning rate is not so great.

Sniper: As said earlier, the Avenger's crazy depression angles and good gun, combined with its great mobility and good climbing characteristics makes it ideal for the sniper role. It's mobility allows the Avenger to get anywhere on the map, an intelligent pilot will avoid main roads where encountering enemies upfront is often a death sentence and prefer unexpected roads, surprising camping spots, your enemy must never know where to expect a shot from. When firing, make sure to change position every 2-3 shots (every time you kill a tank). With a good mix of luck and skill, you can even find a good viewing point on the enemy's base pretty early in the game (even in AB !). Make sure sure to hide your turret top since HE and some APHE can detonate from the thin plate of your half open-topped turret, resulting in a crew knock out. One last thing to consider: the Avenger's functional elevation angle is lower than its characteristics says: the optics gets blinded in the last 1-2 degrees.

What's great with this vehicle is it can change role pretty fast in the game. A great way to use this vehicle at its plains potential is on a map like Mozdok or El Amalein. A good example of tactics is being flanker early game, then sniper to clear the next capture point and then flanker again to go get it (provided you do not get shut down).

Pros and cons


  • Cromwell-esque controls with good acceleration and speed.
  • Neutral steering allows for quick alignment of hull.
  • Access to the 17-pounder "Quickfire" cannon.
  • Good gun depression.
  • Very fast rate of fire.


  • No machine gun armament.
  • 17-pounder AP shells are all solid shot, no explosive filler.
  • Vulnerable turret, no exterior gun mantlet.
  • Sluggish handling.
  • Terrible reverse speed.
  • Armour is not sloped.
  • Very poor side armour.
  • Gun traverse speed is only subpar.



The A30 Challenger tank was an improved variant of the Cromwell tank made to improve the firepower of the armoured brigades in the British Army. While equipped with the 17-pounder, the Challenger ran into issues with production and mechanical issues, along with design deficiencies that was much criticized by the crew that manned the tank. The Challenger had thin armour, had a tendency for track throwing, and had a high profile. However, it was praised for its speed, agility, and firepower with the 17-pounder gun. The Challenger was ordered in February 1943 for 200 vehicles, but the development of the Firefly from the Sherman tank proved much easier and cheaper than the Challenger and was thus cancelled.

The Avenger

An attempt to improve on the Challenger was the A30 SP Avenger, which used a different open-topped turret to save weight on the tank design. However, due to priorities on the Comet tank in the Vauxhall Motors plant, they were not being built until 1945 and weren't used until after the war in Europe is over. 250 unit were built and formed part of the British Army of the Rhine stationed in Germany after the war. They did not see any combat action during their service life.


Skin and Camouflages for the Avenger in Warthunder Live.


Read also


Britain tank destroyers
Based on cruiser tanks  QF 3.7 Ram
Based on infantry tanks  Gun Carrier (3-in) · Archer
M10 Achilles  Achilles · Achilles (65 Rg.)
End war  Avenger · Tortoise
Post-war  Charioteer Mk VII · FV4005 · Conway · Rooikat 105
ATGM  Swingfire · Striker