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[[File:135 mm 45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937.jpg|thumb|x250px|Stern port battery of '''135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937''' on [[RN Etna]]]]
 
[[File:135 mm 45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937.jpg|thumb|x250px|Stern port battery of '''135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937''' on [[RN Etna]]]]
 
== Description ==
 
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'''135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937''' was an Italian naval gun designed as a response to the French 138.6 mm/50 and was planned to be used on a wide variety of warships - from destroyers to battleships. Most of these planes were cancelled before completion, as the gun was introduced on the verge of WW2, and didn't see any major naval engagements before the armistice.
 
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In the game, it's best used against destroyers and coastal vessels, as it features few characteristics that make it excellent in that role. Against cruisers, it will, however, suffer significantly from having a relatively low explosive filler.
 
  
 
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The gun is available in 4 different mounts. A single mount used on destroyers has the most rudimentary anti-fragmentation mount. Twin cruiser mount has insufficient protection to stop anything but the machine guns. Battleship secondaries come in two distinct mounts, and while both have a nearly identical armor, the twin-mount used on Cavour is somewhat more difficult to penetrate due to having a much smaller face and a side armor at a very steep angle.
 
  
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| [[RN Etna]]<br/>[[RN Attilio Regolo]] || 20 || {{Annotation|RHA|Rolled homogeneous armour}} || 6 || RHA || 6 || RHA || 0 || —
 
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| [[RN Comandante Margottini]] || 12 || {{Annotation|AfA|Antifragmentation armour}} || 12 || AfA || 12 || AfA || 0 || —
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* 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea - Time-fused high explosive shell, able to counter enemy aircraft through shrapnel. Use [[Crew skills#Gunners|Distance fuse set accuracy]] crew skill to increase the probability of fusing in the perfect spot for the kill - however, even with the skill maxed-out, shells still can explode ± 100 m away from a target at 5000 meters range, which is more than enough for the aircraft to avoid taking any damage. Still - it's by far the best round to use against enemy airplanes.
 
* 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea - Time-fused high explosive shell, able to counter enemy aircraft through shrapnel. Use [[Crew skills#Gunners|Distance fuse set accuracy]] crew skill to increase the probability of fusing in the perfect spot for the kill - however, even with the skill maxed-out, shells still can explode ± 100 m away from a target at 5000 meters range, which is more than enough for the aircraft to avoid taking any damage. Still - it's by far the best round to use against enemy airplanes.
  
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{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|135 mm HE Dirompente, 135 mm APHEBC Perforante, 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea}}
 
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135 mm is a fairly unusual calibre, thus the comparison will be made with the guns of relatively similar calibre used as either primary guns on cruisers, or secondary guns on battleships/battlecruisers. Pure destroyer guns are intentionally skipped.
 
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====HE====
 
 
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| [[RN Etna]] || HE || 135 || 825 || 7.5 || 9.5 || 9.5 || 1.8 || 23 || 23 || 23
 
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| [[SMS Elbing]] || HE || 150 || 835 || 7 || 4.2 || 4.2 || 1.6 || 21 || 21 || 21
 
 
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| [[Imperatritsa Mariya]] || HE || 130 || 823 || 8 || 3.4 || 3.4 || 3.9 || 37 || 37 || 37
 
 
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| 135 mm APHEBC Perforante || APHEBC || 171 || 139 || 100 || 73 || 56 || 45
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| [[IJN Sendai]] || HE || 140 || 840 || 6.2 || 8.0 || 8.0 || 3.15 || 35 || 35 || 35
 
 
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| 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea || HE-TF || 23 || 23 || 23 || 23 || 23 || 23
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| 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea || HE-TF || 825 || 32.42 || 0 || 0.1 || 1.8 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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| [[Imperatritsa Mariya]] || SAPBC || 130 || 823 || 8 || 3.4 || 3.4 || 1.67 || 178 || 115 || 71
 
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The biggest weakness of this gun largely determines its use. The low explosive filler makes it less effective to deal with cruisers than it might appear after reading the penetration table. Thus, it's particularly good at dealing with enemy destroyers and coastal vessels, while struggling to score kills on heavier warships.
 
  
 
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Originally designed in response to the French [[138.6 mm/50 model 1929 (138.6 mm)|138.6 mm/50]], the 135/45 was initially planned to be introduced first with the [[RN Attilio Regolo|Capitani Romani class]] in order to counter French large destroyers (contre-torpilleur), but after the outstanding performance of the guns they got recommended for the 1937 refits of the [[Duilio (Family)|Duilio-class]]. They proved to have a lower dispersion than even the latest of the 120 mm guns, while having a higher maximum range and larger explosive filler.
 
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During the war, a new single-mounts were developed for the Comandanti M. d'Oro-class. Only one hull of the class - [[RN Comandante Margottini]] - was launched, unarmed, to make space in the shipyard. The guns were instead planned to be used on the [[wikipedia:Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik|Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik]], but the plan didn't come to fruition before the [[wikipedia:Armistice of Cassibile|armistice]] in September 1943. Similar fate met the guns planned for [[wikipedia:Italian aircraft carrier Aquila|aircraft carrier Aquila]] and cruisers [[RN Etna|Etna]] and Vesuvio. Finally, before the armistice, the refit of the [[RN Conte di Cavour|Conte di Cavour]] was already in progress, with some of the [[120 mm/50 Armstrong model 1909 (120 mm)|120 mm guns]] being already replaced by the twin 135 mm turrets.
 
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During the Cold War, a new, fully automated anti-air mount was designed for the refit of the [[wikipedia:Italian cruiser Giuseppe Garibaldi (1936)|Giuseppe Garibaldi]], but never seen any other use outside the one-off cruiser.
 
  
 
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* The Weapons of the Italian Ships (Le armi delle Navi Italiane) by Erminio Bagnasco, page 35 - 37
 
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* [https://web.archive.org/web/20210612143050/http://ejournal6.com/journals_n/1404051978.pdf From Glasgow to Genoa under three flags – the Yugoslav flotilla leader Dubrovnik] by Zvonimir Freivogel, page 87
 
  
 
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Stern port battery of 135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937 on RN Etna

Description

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Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

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Ship Front Sides Top Elevator
Tickness (mm) type (mm) type (mm) type (mm) type
RN Conte di Cavour
RN Duilio 		120 RCA 80 RCA 60 RHA 100 RCA
RN Etna
RN Attilio Regolo 		20 RHA 6 RHA 6 RHA 0 —
RN Comandante Margottini 12 AfA 12 AfA 12 AfA 0 —

Available ammunition

135 mm APHEBC Perforante shells pictured in-flight, with the aft battery of RN Etna firing in the background. Note the white tracer characteristic for armour-piercing shells.

The choice of shells is typical for the Italian pre-WW2 guns, limited to HE and AP against surface targets and HE-TF against aircraft. It's adequate for nearly every situation a warship can encounter.

  • 135 mm HE Dirompente - Universal high-explosive round, great against frigates and torpedo boats alike, to a degree also useful against enemy destroyers, or to ignite heavier warships on fire.
  • 135 mm APHEBC Perforante - The shell of choice against enemy cruisers, or to reach the ammo racks on destroyers. It lacks penetration to deal with some of the heavy cruisers or all of the battleships/battlecruisers, so against them the HE rounds would be a better choice.
  • 135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea - Time-fused high explosive shell, able to counter enemy aircraft through shrapnel. Use Distance fuse set accuracy crew skill to increase the probability of fusing in the perfect spot for the kill - however, even with the skill maxed-out, shells still can explode ± 100 m away from a target at 5000 meters range, which is more than enough for the aircraft to avoid taking any damage. Still - it's by far the best round to use against enemy airplanes.
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
135 mm HE Dirompente HE 23 23 23 23 23 23
135 mm APHEBC Perforante APHEBC 171 139 100 73 56 45
135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea HE-TF 23 23 23 23 23 23
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(s) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
135 mm HE Dirompente HE 825 32.42 0 0.1 1.8 79° 80° 81°
135 mm APHEBC Perforante APHEBC 825 32.73 0.01 6 1.47 48° 63° 71°
135 mm HE-TF Contro-aerea HE-TF 825 32.42 0 0.1 1.8 79° 80° 81°

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Usage in battles

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Italy naval cannons
20 mm  20 mm/65 Breda · 20 mm/70 Oerlikon 3S · 20 mm/70 Scotti-Isotta Fraschini mod.1939
37 mm  37 mm/54 Breda Mod.32 · 37 mm/54 Breda Mod.38 · 37 mm/54 Breda Mod.39
40 mm  40 mm/39 Vickers-Terni mod.1915/1917 · 40 mm/39 Vickers-Terni mod.1915/1917, Modif.1930 · 40 mm/70 Breda-Bofors type 107
65 mm  65 mm/64 Ansaldo-Terni Mod.1939
76 mm  76 mm/40 Armstrong mod.1897/1910 · 76 mm/40 Armstrong mod.1897/1912 · 76 mm/40 Ansaldo mod.1917 · 76 mm/45 Schneider mod.1911 · 76 mm/50 Vickers mod.1909 · 76 mm/62 OTO-Melara Compact · 76-mm/62 SMP 3
90 mm  90 mm/50 Ansaldo model 1939
100 mm  100 mm/47 O.T.O. Mod. 1928 · 100 mm/47 O.T.O. Mod. 1937
120 mm  120 mm/45 Canet-Schneider-Armstrong mod.1918-19 · 120 mm/50 Armstrong model 1909 · 120 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1926 · 120 mm/50 Ansaldo mod.1926 · 120 mm/50 O.T.O. Mod.1936
135 mm  135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937
152 mm  152 mm/45 Schneider mod.1911 · 152/53 mm Ansaldo mod.1926 · 152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929
203 mm  203 mm/50 Ansaldo mod.1924 · 203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927
305 mm  305 mm/46 Armstrong model 1909 · 305 mm/46 Vickers model 1909
320 mm  320 mm/44 OTO model 1934 · 320 mm/44 Ansaldo model 1936
  Foreign:
20 mm  2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (Germany)
40 mm  Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (USA)
76 mm  76 mm/50 Mk.33 (USA)
127 mm  127 mm/38 Mk.12 (USA)

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