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== Description == | == Description == | ||
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| − | The '' | + | The USS PGM-59, commissioned in RVNN (Republic of Vietnam Navy; HQVNCH) as the HQ-605 Kim Qui (Vietnamese Chu Nom: 金龜(or 龟); Golden Turtle) was a variant of the PGM-39 class gunboat built in US which some of them were supplied to allied countries during the Cold War. The ship was built in Tacoma, WA in 1963 and was then transferred to RVNN; due to the lack of records both in Vietnam and USN, the ship is currently lost in history. |
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| + | Although classified as a gunboat and only has just over 100 ton displacement, the armaments onboard packs enough punch at its tier in broadsides thanks to its 40 mm Bofors and twin 20 mm cannons onboard; but do remember that the ship itself is very prone to be devastated by main cannons by enemies' gunships with higher caliber HE shells, as well as Kim Qui's turtle-like speed will hinder its combat maneuverability and flexibility to retreat from heated battlefield. | ||
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| + | ''<small>Note: Not to be confused to a later Vietnamese Navy armed transport vessel HQ-605 which was sunk as the aftermath of Johnson South Reef Skirmish</small>'' | ||
== General info == | == General info == | ||
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{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}} | {{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}} | ||
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| − | + | Powered by 2 Mercedes Benz MB820, Kim Qui could travel up to 32 km/h; not only this name fits its literal translation "golden turtle", this also means the ship will neither be the first to reach capture zones nor heated combat zones. This speed for gunboat is even slower than gunboats from other nations with even more firepower, meaning any operations at open waters is extremely lethal. | |
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{{main|Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)}} | {{main|Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)}} | ||
| − | + | The only main weapon on Kim Qui is a 40mm Bofors L/56 on Mark 3 mount located on the front deck; 40 mm Bofors are well known to players due to its reliable, sustained volley of fire and its devastating firepower against light targets. Thanks to its high penetration AP shells, sometimes even larger ships might fall victim to the gun or at least having many components disabled by the gun. But do remember that this is the only main weapon on the ship, keep the turret operable and its crew alive at all cost- the remaining Oerlikon 20 mm cannons and AN/M2 are nowhere as effective as the 40 mm gun. | |
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} | * '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} | ||
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{{main|20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)}} | {{main|20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)}} | ||
| − | + | Aside from a Bofors, Kim Qui is also equipped with 2 pairs of 20 mm/70 Oerlikon autocannons against oncoming aircrafts or attack boats at rear deck and superstructure; while the reload time is short enough and having generous ammo pool, the gun crew is exposed and prone to to both gunfire or shrapnel from HE shells. | |
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}} | * '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}} | ||
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{{main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}} | {{main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}} | ||
| − | + | Although it might already had sufficient dual-purpose guns on the boat, Kim Qui still has 2 AN/M2 .50 cal machine gun at its disposal on the sides of the superstructure. It could serve as supplementary firepower to the Oerlikons; but just like the autocannons, be extremely careful to gunfire and shrapnel. | |
== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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| − | + | Do not be fooled by the translation of the name Kim Qui- golden turtle, the name might sound like something durable to enemy gunfire; but at only 8 mm of steel for the hull and 4 mm for superstructure, it might have better durability than wooden hull boats as there are few boats at its tier to have full-steel protection, but do not expect it can handle boats with extensive autocannon mounts or those have higher caliber cannons like 76 mm/3" guns; there are already gun boats at its tier to have equipped with T-34/85 turret or even Flak 38 88 mm cannon, let alone destroyer escorts even more artillery fire. To make matter worse, the overall speed is rather low as well at mere 27 km/h stock; attack boats at its tier can travel up to twice to its speed and they are very likely equipped with autocannons with high rate of fire, a very bad news for the 17 crews onboard as well as these can tear down the ship in seconds. | |
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| + | The ship itself could be very challenging to handle, but at least there are Bofors and a few twin Oerlikon 20 mm at disposal; it might sound nowhere close to boats with quad mount autocannons or more advanced Cold-War autocannons, Kim Qui would still have the chance to taking out attack boats with the armaments onboard, the rate of fire will make sure they would at least have a very bad day. With AP belts selected, chances are it would face escort ships at coastal waters and this give it some firepower to harass enemies; do make sure to find covers from time to time. Another suggested way to increase its survivability is using only the Bofors at the frontal arc and have covers ready, it is better to launch a sudden strike upon enemies that sailing out straight way and face the waves of gunfire from different angle- Kim Qui would be preyed by predators as soon as it enters open waters. | ||
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
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* Has a powerful forward-facing 40 mm gun | * Has a powerful forward-facing 40 mm gun | ||
* Has two mounts for dual 20 mm guns | * Has two mounts for dual 20 mm guns | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
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* Blind spot directly forward for 40 mm gun, angling vessel is necessary to fire at short range | * Blind spot directly forward for 40 mm gun, angling vessel is necessary to fire at short range | ||
* Shallow draft makes it impossible to consistently hit targets in rough seas | * Shallow draft makes it impossible to consistently hit targets in rough seas | ||
* Top speed of 32 km/h in RB, will struggle to cross large maps | * Top speed of 32 km/h in RB, will struggle to cross large maps | ||
* Low crew count of 17 crew members | * Low crew count of 17 crew members | ||
| − | * Will face destroyers | + | * Will face destroyers which the ship itself could very unlikely to retaliate |
== History == | == History == | ||
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| − | '' | + | '''PGM-59''' was ordered by the US Navy as military aid supplies to US-allied countries and the ship was designated for the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). The ship was built in '''J.M Martinac''' at '''Tacoma, WA''' and was delivered on March 20, 1963 to US Navy; it was then delivered to '''RVNN''' and renamed to '''HQ-605 Kim Qui'''.<ref>http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/11059.htm</ref> |
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| + | Due to sparse documents and records of the whereabouts of the ship, after the ship was last seen by USN photographers and having its only 2 known images taken during the 1960s, the ship was very likely been lost in history and the fate of the ship remained unknown. | ||
== Media == | == Media == | ||
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=us_pgm_59_class Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=us_pgm_59_class Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | ||
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* ''reference to the series of the ship;'' | * ''reference to the series of the ship;'' | ||
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* ''topic on the official game forum;'' | * ''topic on the official game forum;'' | ||
* ''other literature.'' | * ''other literature.'' | ||
Revision as of 03:14, 6 April 2023
Contents
Description
The USS PGM-59, commissioned in RVNN (Republic of Vietnam Navy; HQVNCH) as the HQ-605 Kim Qui (Vietnamese Chu Nom: 金龜(or 龟); Golden Turtle) was a variant of the PGM-39 class gunboat built in US which some of them were supplied to allied countries during the Cold War. The ship was built in Tacoma, WA in 1963 and was then transferred to RVNN; due to the lack of records both in Vietnam and USN, the ship is currently lost in history.
Although classified as a gunboat and only has just over 100 ton displacement, the armaments onboard packs enough punch at its tier in broadsides thanks to its 40 mm Bofors and twin 20 mm cannons onboard; but do remember that the ship itself is very prone to be devastated by main cannons by enemies' gunships with higher caliber HE shells, as well as Kim Qui's turtle-like speed will hinder its combat maneuverability and flexibility to retreat from heated battlefield.
Note: Not to be confused to a later Vietnamese Navy armed transport vessel HQ-605 which was sunk as the aftermath of Johnson South Reef Skirmish
General info
Survivability and armour
As a small and agile motor gun boat, the Kim Qui does not have significant armour protection. Its hull is constructed of 8 mm steel, while the superstructure is made of 4 mm steel. This level of protection offers little resistance to incoming fire and the vessel's survivability is therefore largely dependent on its speed and manoeuvrability.
The Kim Qui is divided into four sections, including the bow, midsection, engine room, and stern. Each section has its own health pool and can be individually damaged or destroyed. The vessel has a total displacement of 118 tons and is crewed by 17 sailors.
Mobility
Powered by 2 Mercedes Benz MB820, Kim Qui could travel up to 32 km/h; not only this name fits its literal translation "golden turtle", this also means the ship will neither be the first to reach capture zones nor heated combat zones. This speed for gunboat is even slower than gunboats from other nations with even more firepower, meaning any operations at open waters is extremely lethal.
| Mobility Characteristics | |||
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| Game Mode | Upgrade Status | Maximum Speed (km/h) | |
| Forward | Reverse | ||
| AB | |||
| Upgraded | 42 | 20 | |
| RB/SB | |||
| Upgraded | 32 | 15 | |
Modifications and economy
| Seakeeping | Unsinkability | Firepower | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armament
Primary armament
The only main weapon on Kim Qui is a 40mm Bofors L/56 on Mark 3 mount located on the front deck; 40 mm Bofors are well known to players due to its reliable, sustained volley of fire and its devastating firepower against light targets. Thanks to its high penetration AP shells, sometimes even larger ships might fall victim to the gun or at least having many components disabled by the gun. But do remember that this is the only main weapon on the ship, keep the turret operable and its crew alive at all cost- the remaining Oerlikon 20 mm cannons and AN/M2 are nowhere as effective as the 40 mm gun.
- Universal: AP-T · HEFI-T
- 40 mm AP clips: AP-T · AP-T · AP-T · HEFI-T
- 40 mm HE clips: HEFI-T · HEFI-T · HEFI-T · AP-T
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| HEFI-T | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | |
| AP-T | 81 | 78 | 68 | 58 | 49 | 41 | |
| Shell details | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||||||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
| HEFI-T | 874 | 0.9 | 0 | 0.1 | 67.13 | 79° | 80° | 81° | ||||
| AP-T | 874 | 0.89 | - | - | - | 47° | 60° | 65° | ||||
Secondary armament
Aside from a Bofors, Kim Qui is also equipped with 2 pairs of 20 mm/70 Oerlikon autocannons against oncoming aircrafts or attack boats at rear deck and superstructure; while the reload time is short enough and having generous ammo pool, the gun crew is exposed and prone to to both gunfire or shrapnel from HE shells.
- Universal: HEF-T · HEF-I · AP-T
- 20 mm HE: HEF-T · HEF-I · AP-T · HEF-I
- 20 mm AP: AP-T · AP-T · AP-T · HEF-I
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
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| Ammunition | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| HEF-T | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| AP-T | 34 | 32 | 24 | 17 | 12 | 8 | |
| HEF-I | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| Shell details | ||||||||||||
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| Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||||||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
| HEF-T | 830 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.1 | 6.57 | 79° | 80° | 81° | ||||
| AP-T | 830 | 0.12 | - | - | - | 47° | 60° | 65° | ||||
| HEF-I | 830 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.1 | 11.17 | 79° | 80° | 81° | ||||
Anti-aircraft armament
Although it might already had sufficient dual-purpose guns on the boat, Kim Qui still has 2 AN/M2 .50 cal machine gun at its disposal on the sides of the superstructure. It could serve as supplementary firepower to the Oerlikons; but just like the autocannons, be extremely careful to gunfire and shrapnel.
Usage in battles
Do not be fooled by the translation of the name Kim Qui- golden turtle, the name might sound like something durable to enemy gunfire; but at only 8 mm of steel for the hull and 4 mm for superstructure, it might have better durability than wooden hull boats as there are few boats at its tier to have full-steel protection, but do not expect it can handle boats with extensive autocannon mounts or those have higher caliber cannons like 76 mm/3" guns; there are already gun boats at its tier to have equipped with T-34/85 turret or even Flak 38 88 mm cannon, let alone destroyer escorts even more artillery fire. To make matter worse, the overall speed is rather low as well at mere 27 km/h stock; attack boats at its tier can travel up to twice to its speed and they are very likely equipped with autocannons with high rate of fire, a very bad news for the 17 crews onboard as well as these can tear down the ship in seconds.
The ship itself could be very challenging to handle, but at least there are Bofors and a few twin Oerlikon 20 mm at disposal; it might sound nowhere close to boats with quad mount autocannons or more advanced Cold-War autocannons, Kim Qui would still have the chance to taking out attack boats with the armaments onboard, the rate of fire will make sure they would at least have a very bad day. With AP belts selected, chances are it would face escort ships at coastal waters and this give it some firepower to harass enemies; do make sure to find covers from time to time. Another suggested way to increase its survivability is using only the Bofors at the frontal arc and have covers ready, it is better to launch a sudden strike upon enemies that sailing out straight way and face the waves of gunfire from different angle- Kim Qui would be preyed by predators as soon as it enters open waters.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Has a powerful forward-facing 40 mm gun
- Has two mounts for dual 20 mm guns
Cons:
- Blind spot directly forward for 40 mm gun, angling vessel is necessary to fire at short range
- Shallow draft makes it impossible to consistently hit targets in rough seas
- Top speed of 32 km/h in RB, will struggle to cross large maps
- Low crew count of 17 crew members
- Will face destroyers which the ship itself could very unlikely to retaliate
History
PGM-59 was ordered by the US Navy as military aid supplies to US-allied countries and the ship was designated for the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). The ship was built in J.M Martinac at Tacoma, WA and was delivered on March 20, 1963 to US Navy; it was then delivered to RVNN and renamed to HQ-605 Kim Qui.[1]
Due to sparse documents and records of the whereabouts of the ship, after the ship was last seen by USN photographers and having its only 2 known images taken during the 1960s, the ship was very likely been lost in history and the fate of the ship remained unknown.
Media
- Skins
See also
Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the ship;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:
- topic on the official game forum;
- other literature.
| J.M. Martinac Shipbuilding Corp. | |
|---|---|
| Patrol Gunboat, Motor (PGM) | |
| PGM-59-class | Kim Qui* |
| *PGM-59 built for South Vietnam | |
| USA boats | |
|---|---|
| Motor torpedo boats | PT-3 · PT-6 · PT-20 · PT-71 · PT-103 · PT-109 · PT-174 |
| PT-200 · PT-314 · Thunderbolt (PT-556) · PT-565 · PT-658 · PT-810 · PT-811 · PT-812 | |
| Motor gun boats | Kim Qui · LCS(L)(3) · PT-59 · PTF-7 · USS Candid · USS Asheville · USS Douglas · USS Flagstaff · USS Tucumcari · USS Cyclone |
| Armoured gun boats | LCM(6) Zippo |
