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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]].
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]].
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The PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvelous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
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The PTZ89 is built on the chassis of the Type 83 self propelled howitzer and its overall protection is disappointing. The hull has enough armor to shrug off heavy machine guns from the front but the sides are only 15 mm thick. The large and bulbous turret is even more vulnerable, the sloped turret face only being 22 mm thick. Never trust the armor of the PTZ89, vehicles armed with autocannons will easily shred it and it can be gunned down by the ubiquitous M2 Browning from the sides. Any aircraft equipped with cannons or heavy machine guns can destroy it from above.
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The thin armor ironically makes subcaliber rounds produce less spalling upon penetrating the tank, but the internal layout can still lead to fatal results. The three crew members are lined up on the left side of the tank (right side from an attacker's perspective) and well aimed shots might knock all of them out, putting the vehicle out of commission. That said, the turret seating is rather high and there is a chance that a shot knocking out the driver might pass underneath the turret crew. The turret bustle also houses many rounds of ammunition without blowout racks and penetrating shots to the turret front or rear can set them off.
  
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
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| Hull || 10 + 10 mm (71°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 35 mm (1-66°) ''Transmission housing'' <br> 15 mm (20°) ''Mine plow attachment plate''|| 15 mm || 10 (9°) mm || 10 mm
 
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| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
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| Turret || 22 mm (30°) ''Turret front'' <br> 30 mm (32°) ''Gun mask'' <br> 40 mm (9-36°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 18 mm (14°) || 18 mm || 15 mm (79-89°)
 
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| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
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| Cupola || 15 mm || 15 mm || 15 mm || 15 mm
 
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* Suspension wheels are 20 mm of structural steel, tracks are 15 mm thick,  
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* Engine radiator grilles are 5 mm of RHA.
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* Internal firewall around the engine/transmission compartment, 5 mm RHA thick.
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* Slat armor on turret sides, 10 mm of structural steel.
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* Skirts and storage boxes above tracks are 4 mm of structural steel.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 13.2 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
 
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| DYW1 || APFSDS || 1740 || 4.45 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 78° || 80° || 81°
 
| DYW1 || APFSDS || 1740 || 4.45 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 78° || 80° || 81°
 
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| DYS120 || HE || 900 || 19.5 || __ || 0.1 || 2.45 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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| DYS120 || HE || 900 || 19.5 || N/A || 0.1 || 2.49 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
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|Horizontal Turret Drive
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| II
 
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|Brake System
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|Adjustment of Fire
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|Transmission
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|Engine
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|Smoke Grenades
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Excellent APFSDS round that comes stock
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* Powerful 120mm smoothbore gun
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* 5 second reload thanks to assisted loader
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* Stock APFSDS
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* Two-plane stabilizer
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* 5 second reload for the first few rounds
 
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* Has a stabilizer
 
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* 12.7mm machine gun can help against low flying aircraft somewhat
 
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* DYW1 APFSDS round has a high muzzle velocity and excellent penetration
 
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* Has smoke grenades
 
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'''Cons:'''
 
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* Very poor armor
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* Very weak armor, vulnerable to heavy machine gun fire from the side
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* Mediocre mobility
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* Mobility can be lacking
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* Below average turret rotation speed
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* Somewhat slow turret traverse
 
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* No thermal imaging
 
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== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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During the 1970s, new tanks like the T-64 and T-72 were entering service in the Soviet Union, and with tensions between China and the Soviet Union still being tense, China needed a gun capable of defeating these tanks. The problem was, their primary tank was still the Type 59, a Chinese version of the T-54 tank, still armed with a 100mm rifled gun. During this period, China tried to turn to Rheinmetall for their new 120mm L/44 smoothbore gun, but this was rejected. The Chinese decided to develop their own gun, using technology and knowledge from the T-62 they had captured at Zhenbao Island.
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During the 1970s, new tanks like the T-64 and T-72 were entering service in the Soviet Union, and with tensions between China and the Soviet Union still being tense, China needed a gun capable of defeating these tanks. The problem was, their primary tank was still the Type 59, a Chinese version of the T-54 tank, still armed with a 100 mm rifled gun. During this period, China tried to turn to Rheinmetall for their new 120 mm L/44 smoothbore gun, but this was rejected. The Chinese decided to develop their own gun, using technology and knowledge from the T-62 they had captured at Zhenbao Island.
  
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In 1979, three versions of the gun were completed, with an estimated 1,000 APFSDS rounds fired. In February of that year, gun design 82-2 penetrated 204mm/68 degree armour at a speed of 1,646m/s. In 1981, the basic design was completed, with gun design 82-14 being chosen for the new 120mm smoothbore gun. This could fire an APFSDS projectile at 1,700m/s penetrating 204mm of armor at a 68 degree angle.
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In 1979, three versions of the gun were completed, with an estimated 1,000 APFSDS rounds fired. In February of that year, gun design 82-2 penetrated 204 mm on a 68 degree armour at a speed of 1,646 m/s. In 1981, the basic design was completed, with gun design 82-14 being chosen for the new 120 mm smoothbore gun. This could fire an APFSDS projectile at 1,700 m/s, penetrating 204 mm of armor at a 68 degree angle.
  
 
Following this, the gun was put in a turret on the Type 321 utility tracked chassis that would be used on other vehicles such as the PHZ-89 or PGZ-09. The vehicle would be demonstrated in 1985 in Nankou, Beijing, with more tests being conducted until late 1988, when it finally began initial production. It first entered service in 1989, and by the time it was retired, around 100 had been produced. It retired in November, 2015, when the 39th Army Group held an official retirement ceremony for the vehicle.
 
Following this, the gun was put in a turret on the Type 321 utility tracked chassis that would be used on other vehicles such as the PHZ-89 or PGZ-09. The vehicle would be demonstrated in 1985 in Nankou, Beijing, with more tests being conducted until late 1988, when it finally began initial production. It first entered service in 1989, and by the time it was retired, around 100 had been produced. It retired in November, 2015, when the 39th Army Group held an official retirement ceremony for the vehicle.
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{{China tank destroyers}}
 
{{China tank destroyers}}

Revision as of 08:15, 18 November 2020

Rank VI USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Su-25K Pack
PTZ89
cn_ptz_89.png
PTZ89
China flag.png China
VI Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
9.0 9.0 9.0
Class:
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Purchase:520 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

GarageImage PTZ89.jpg


The HuoPao Tanke ZiXing 89 is a rank VI Chinese tank destroyer with a battle rating of 9.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "New Power".

The PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet Object 120. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the Leopard A1A1 while not being speedy or well protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvelous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.

General info

Survivability and armour

The PTZ89 is built on the chassis of the Type 83 self propelled howitzer and its overall protection is disappointing. The hull has enough armor to shrug off heavy machine guns from the front but the sides are only 15 mm thick. The large and bulbous turret is even more vulnerable, the sloped turret face only being 22 mm thick. Never trust the armor of the PTZ89, vehicles armed with autocannons will easily shred it and it can be gunned down by the ubiquitous M2 Browning from the sides. Any aircraft equipped with cannons or heavy machine guns can destroy it from above.

The thin armor ironically makes subcaliber rounds produce less spalling upon penetrating the tank, but the internal layout can still lead to fatal results. The three crew members are lined up on the left side of the tank (right side from an attacker's perspective) and well aimed shots might knock all of them out, putting the vehicle out of commission. That said, the turret seating is rather high and there is a chance that a shot knocking out the driver might pass underneath the turret crew. The turret bustle also houses many rounds of ammunition without blowout racks and penetrating shots to the turret front or rear can set them off.

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 10 + 10 mm (71°) Upper glacis
35 mm (1-66°) Transmission housing
15 mm (20°) Mine plow attachment plate		 15 mm 10 (9°) mm 10 mm
Turret 22 mm (30°) Turret front
30 mm (32°) Gun mask
40 mm (9-36°) Gun mantlet 		18 mm (14°) 18 mm 15 mm (79-89°)
Cupola 15 mm 15 mm 15 mm 15 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 20 mm of structural steel, tracks are 15 mm thick,
  • Engine radiator grilles are 5 mm of RHA.
  • Internal firewall around the engine/transmission compartment, 5 mm RHA thick.
  • Slat armor on turret sides, 10 mm of structural steel.
  • Skirts and storage boxes above tracks are 4 mm of structural steel.

Mobility

Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 9 30 _,___ 992 __.__ 33.07
Realistic 56 8 _,___ 520 __.__ 17.33

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: PTZ89 (120 mm)

Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: {{main|Name of the weapon}}. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.

120 mm PTZ89 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 30 -5°/+18° ±180° Two-plane 13.2 __._ __._ __._ __._ 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00
Realistic 8.9 __._ __._ __._ __._

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
DYW1 APFSDS 443 442 436 429 422 416
DYS120 HE 30 30 30 30 30 30
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
DYW1 APFSDS 1740 4.45 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
DYS120 HE 900 19.5 N/A 0.1 2.49 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
30 __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __

Machine guns

Main article: QJC88A (12.7 mm)

Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.

12.7 mm QJC88A
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
500 (150) 700 __° __°

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation mechanism
IV Transmission Engine Smoke grenade Laser rangefinder NVD

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

  • Excellent APFSDS round that comes stock
  • 5 second reload thanks to assisted loader
  • Two-plane stabilizer

Cons:

  • Very poor armor
  • Mediocre mobility
  • Below average turret rotation speed

History

During the 1970s, new tanks like the T-64 and T-72 were entering service in the Soviet Union, and with tensions between China and the Soviet Union still being tense, China needed a gun capable of defeating these tanks. The problem was, their primary tank was still the Type 59, a Chinese version of the T-54 tank, still armed with a 100 mm rifled gun. During this period, China tried to turn to Rheinmetall for their new 120 mm L/44 smoothbore gun, but this was rejected. The Chinese decided to develop their own gun, using technology and knowledge from the T-62 they had captured at Zhenbao Island.

In 1979, three versions of the gun were completed, with an estimated 1,000 APFSDS rounds fired. In February of that year, gun design 82-2 penetrated 204 mm on a 68 degree armour at a speed of 1,646 m/s. In 1981, the basic design was completed, with gun design 82-14 being chosen for the new 120 mm smoothbore gun. This could fire an APFSDS projectile at 1,700 m/s, penetrating 204 mm of armor at a 68 degree angle.

Following this, the gun was put in a turret on the Type 321 utility tracked chassis that would be used on other vehicles such as the PHZ-89 or PGZ-09. The vehicle would be demonstrated in 1985 in Nankou, Beijing, with more tests being conducted until late 1988, when it finally began initial production. It first entered service in 1989, and by the time it was retired, around 100 had been produced. It retired in November, 2015, when the 39th Army Group held an official retirement ceremony for the vehicle.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


China tank destroyers
PLA 
Gun vehicles  PLZ83 · PLZ83-130 · PTZ89
Missile vehicles  AFT09
ROC 
Missile vehicles  CM25
USA 
Gun vehicles  ␗M8 HMC · LVT(A)(4) (ZiS-2) · ␗M10 GMC · ␗M36 GMC
Missile vehicles  ␗M113A1 (TOW)
USSR 
Gun vehicles  ␗SU-76M · ␗ISU-152 · ␗ISU-122 · ␗SU-100

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