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== Description ==
 
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The '''Modèle 1909R''' was the fifth in a series of 450 mm piston-engine torpedoes used by the French Navy, it introduced a gasoline-powered reheater (''Réchauffeur''), which added 6 kg to its mass, extended its range from 1,000 metres to 2,000 metres at 33 knots, and added a new torpedo mode: 3,000 metres at 28 knots. A notable incident occurred on 27 December 1911 when a Modèle 1909R torpedo exploded in the launch tube of the submarine Mariotte due to an heater malfunction. By January 1920, 574 units were in the French Navy's inventory, and the torpedo was eventually succeeded by the Modèle 1911T (''Turbine''), which introduced a wet heater.
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The '''1909R''' is best used against coastal vessels, as its short range of just 2 kilometres makes it very challenging to safely approach destroyers. However, its good maximum speed makes it feasible to attack larger vessels, such as submarine chasers. The 144 kg warhead is sufficient to either destroy or cripple coastal vessels, but may struggle to take down larger vessels if none of the magazines are in proximity to the explosion. Its use against battleships with torpedo bulges is moot, as the bulges will easily absorb the entire explosion.
  
 
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Modèle 1909R was the fifth of the 450 mm series of piston-engine torpedoes used by the French navy. The first was the Modèle 1892R (75 kg warhead, 800 metres range at 27.6 knots), replaced by the much more capable M1904 with an Obry gyroscope, and later the M1909 with an air-blast gyroscope. The M1909R was a derivative that introduced a reheater into the series, with R standing for ''Réchauffeur'', which was domestically produced and powered by gasoline. The installation of the reheater added 6 kilograms to the total mass, making it a 716 kg torpedo with a 110 kg warhead, and increasing the range from 1,000 metres in the M1909 to 2,000 metres in the M1909R at 33 knots. It also added a second torpedo mode, 3,000 metres at 28 knots.
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By January 1920, 574 Modèle 1909R torpedoes were in the French Navy inventory. Its direct successor was the Modèle 1911T (T standing for ''Turbine''), which introduced a wet heater.
  
 
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* [[Model 1919V (550 mm)|Model 1919V]] <small>(later, heavier torpedo)</small>
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* ''Naval Weapons of World War One: Guns, Torpedoes, Mines, and ASW Weapons of All Nations'' by Norman Friedman
  
 
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Latest revision as of 10:29, 20 October 2024

1909R (450 mm) in a mount on VTB-8

Description

The Modèle 1909R was the fifth in a series of 450 mm piston-engine torpedoes used by the French Navy, it introduced a gasoline-powered reheater (Réchauffeur), which added 6 kg to its mass, extended its range from 1,000 metres to 2,000 metres at 33 knots, and added a new torpedo mode: 3,000 metres at 28 knots. A notable incident occurred on 27 December 1911 when a Modèle 1909R torpedo exploded in the launch tube of the submarine Mariotte due to an heater malfunction. By January 1920, 574 units were in the French Navy's inventory, and the torpedo was eventually succeeded by the Modèle 1911T (Turbine), which introduced a wet heater.

The 1909R is best used against coastal vessels, as its short range of just 2 kilometres makes it very challenging to safely approach destroyers. However, its good maximum speed makes it feasible to attack larger vessels, such as submarine chasers. The 144 kg warhead is sufficient to either destroy or cripple coastal vessels, but may struggle to take down larger vessels if none of the magazines are in proximity to the explosion. Its use against battleships with torpedo bulges is moot, as the bulges will easily absorb the entire explosion.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

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Effective damage

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Comparison with analogues

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Name Country
of origin 		Diameter
(mm) 		Mass (kg) Explosive
type 		TNT equivalent
(kg) 		Max speed
(km/h) 		Max range
(km)
12.75 inch Mark 44 USA flag.png 324 235 HBX 54.4 56 5.49
12.75 inch Mark 46 USA flag.png 324 235 TNT 44.5 91 7.30
18 inch Mark XII Britain flag.png 450 702 TNT 176 74 1.37
18 inch Mark XV Britain flag.png 450 817 Torpex 395.2 61 3.20
18 inch Type 38 No.2 B Japan flag.png 450 663 Shimose 104.5 59 2.00
18-inch Mk.7 USA flag.png 450 720 TNT 93 59 3.65
21 in Mk.8 USA flag.png 533 1,252 TNT 146 50 9.14
21 inch Mark I Britain flag.png 533 1,270 TNT 102 56 11.00
21 inch Mk.20 Bidder Britain flag.png 533 821 TNT 89 37 11.00
21 inch Type 43 (1910) Japan flag.png 533 1,187 Shimose 143 50 8.00
45-36NU USSR flag.png 450 951 TNT 200 76 4.00
53-38 USSR flag.png 533 1,615 TNT 300 82 4.00
53-39 USSR flag.png 533 1,780 TNT 317 94 4.00
53-56 USSR flag.png 533 2,000 TNT 400 93 8.00
53-57 USSR flag.png 533 2,000 TNT 306 83 18.00
53-65 USSR flag.png 533 2,070 TNT 300 126 12.00
Bliss-Leavitt Mk.1 USA flag.png 533 680 TNT 91 50 3.66
C/06D Germany flag.png 450 810 TNT 122.6 50 5.90
G6c Germany flag.png 533 1,008 TNT 160 50 5.00
G7a Germany flag.png 533 1,528 SW39a 358.4 81 6.00
H/8 Germany flag.png 600 2,160 SW39a 268.8 67 6.00
LT 1A/1 Germany flag.png 450 812 TNT 250 74 2.00
Mark 35 USA flag.png 533 803 Torpex 196 50 13.71
Mk.8-3 C/D USA flag.png 533 1,373 TNT 174.2 50 12.35
Mk.13 USA flag.png 569 884 TNT 178 56 5.21
Mk.15 USA flag.png 533 1,559 TNT 224 83 5.50
Mk.16 USA flag.png 533 1,766 Torpex 915.2 85 6.40
Mk.IV Britain flag.png 533 1,454 TNT 234 65 7.30
Mk.IX Britain flag.png 533 1,693 TNT 340 67 9.60
Mk.IX** Britain flag.png 533 1,693 Torpex 587.2 76 10.00
Mk.V Britain flag.png 533 1,736 TNT 305 74 4.57
Mk.VIII Britain flag.png 533 1,566 TNT 327 84 4.57
1909R France flag.png 450 716 TNT 144 61 2.00
Model 1919V France flag.png 550 1,358 Picric acid 261.8 80 2.00
Model 1923DT France flag.png 550 2,100 TNT 308 72 9.00
1926V France flag.png 400 674 TNT 144 81 2.00
L3 France flag.png 550 910 TNT 200 46 5.00
Pattern 1910 USSR flag.png 450 665 TNT 100 54 3.00
Pattern 1912 USSR flag.png 450 810 TNT 100 80 2.00
R.G.F. Mark VI** Britain flag.png 450 700 TNT 134 56 5.49
S.I.170/450X5,25 Italy flag.png 450 860 TNT 170 76 4.00
S.I.270 Italy flag.png 533 1,715 TNT 270 74 4.00
S.I. 250/533,4X7,5 Tipo A Italy flag.png 533 1,781 TNT 250 76 4.00
S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo I Italy flag.png 533 1,700 TNT 270 89 4.00
S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M Italy flag.png 533 1,715 TNT 270 93 4.00
S.I. 270/533X6.84 Tipo L Italy flag.png 533 1,700 TNT 270 93 4.00
Seal DM2A1 Germany flag.png 533 1,370 TNT 250 61 20.00
SET-40 USSR flag.png 400 550 TNT 80 54 8.00
SET-53M USSR flag.png 533 1,480 TNT 100 54 14.00
SET-65 USSR flag.png 533 1,740 TNT 205 74 16.00
SET-72 USSR flag.png 400 730 TNT 80 74 8.00
Type 2 Japan flag.png 450 1,000 Type 97 448 72 3.00
Type 6 Japan flag.png 533 1,432 Shimose 223.3 65 7.00
Type 8 No.2 Japan flag.png 610 2,362 Shimose 380.6 70 10.00
Type 43 Japan flag.png 450 663 Shimose 104.5 48 5.00
Type 44 No.2 Japan flag.png 450 750 Shimose 121 65 4.00
Type 54 model 3 Japan flag.png 533 1,600 TNT 100 44 6.00
Type 72 mod.1 Japan flag.png 533 1,760 TNT 300 120 10.00
Type 89 Japan flag.png 533 1,660 Type 97 384 83 5.50
Type 90 Japan flag.png 610 2,540 Type 97 480 85 7.00
Type 93 Model 1, Mod 2 Japan flag.png 610 2,700 Type 97 627.2 91 20.00
Type 93 Model 3 Japan flag.png 610 2,800 Type 97 998.4 91 15.00
W.200/450X5,75 Italy flag.png 450 930 TNT 200 81 3.00
Whitehead A 110/450 Italy flag.png 450 936 TNT 110 56 4.00

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good maximum speed

Cons:

  • Very short rage
  • Very small warhead

History

Modèle 1909R was the fifth of the 450 mm series of piston-engine torpedoes used by the French navy. The first was the Modèle 1892R (75 kg warhead, 800 metres range at 27.6 knots), replaced by the much more capable M1904 with an Obry gyroscope, and later the M1909 with an air-blast gyroscope. The M1909R was a derivative that introduced a reheater into the series, with R standing for Réchauffeur, which was domestically produced and powered by gasoline. The installation of the reheater added 6 kilograms to the total mass, making it a 716 kg torpedo with a 110 kg warhead, and increasing the range from 1,000 metres in the M1909 to 2,000 metres in the M1909R at 33 knots. It also added a second torpedo mode, 3,000 metres at 28 knots.

One of the notable incidents involving the Modèle 1909R happened on 27 December 1911, when one of the torpedoes in the French submarine Mariotte exploded in its launch tube due to an air heater malfunction.

By January 1920, 574 Modèle 1909R torpedoes were in the French Navy inventory. Its direct successor was the Modèle 1911T (T standing for Turbine), which introduced a wet heater.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

External links

  • Naval Weapons of World War One: Guns, Torpedoes, Mines, and ASW Weapons of All Nations by Norman Friedman


Torpedoes
USA 
450 mm  Mk.7
533 mm  Bliss-Leavitt Mk.1 · Mark 35 · Mk.8 · Mk.8-3 C/D · Mk.15 · Mk.16
569 mm  Mk.13 · Mk.13-6† · Mk.13-6 Case†
Germany 
324 mm  Mark 44
450 mm  C/06D · LT 1A/1 · F5W† · F5b†
500 mm  G6c
533 mm  G7a · Seal DM2A1
600 mm  H/8
USSR 
400 mm  SET-40 · SET-72
450 mm  Pattern 1910 · Pattern 1912 · 45-36NU‡ · 45-36AN† · 45-36MAN†
533 mm  53-38 · 53-39 · 53-56 · 53-57 · 53-65 · SET-53M · SET-65
Britain 
450 mm  R.G.F. Mark VI** · Mark XII‡ · Mark XV‡
533 mm  Mark I · Mk.IV · Mk.V · Mk.VIII · Mk.IX · Mk.IX** · 21 inch Mk.20 Bidder
Japan 
324 mm  Mark 46
450 mm  Type 2 · Type 38 No.2 B · Type 43 · Type 44 No.2 · Type 91 Model 2† · Type 91 Model 3†
533 mm  Type 6 · Type 43 (1910) · Type 54 Model 3 · Type 72 Model 1 · Type 89
610 mm  Type 8 No.2 · Type 90 · Type 93 Model 1, Mod 2 · Type 93 Model 3
Italy 
450 mm  F200/450† · S.I.170/450X5,25 · W.200/450X5,75 · Whitehead A 110/450
533 mm  S.I.270 · S.I. 250/533,4X7,5 Tipo A · S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo I · S.I. 270/533X6.84 Tipo L · S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M
France 
400 mm  1926DA†
450 mm  1909R
550 mm  L3 · Model 1919V · Model 1923DT
Sweden 
450 mm  m/38† · m/41†
  † = Aerial torpedo
‡ = Aerial and ship-launched torpedo

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