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{{About
 
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| about = squadron German jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
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== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a squadron rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It can be unlocked with 310,000 squadron activity points or 6,600 golden eagles.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]]. It is incredibly similar to the German [[Gepard|Flakpanzer Gepard]], using the same [[Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)|35 mm Oerlikon KDA]] autocannons with a similar turret. The key difference is that the Type 87 uses a modified chassis of the [[Type 74]], compared to the Gepard being mounted on the [[Leopard I]] chassis.
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The Type 87 performs fairly well at its rank, being able to effectively engage aircraft quite well thanks to its high rate of fire, quick turret traverse and radar systems. It is also capable of fighting lightly armoured tanks such as most infantry fighting vehicles (BMP, Warrior, M3 Bradley) and effectively killing them in seconds with its rapid-fire guns. The Type 87's default belts have less penetration than its predecessor, the [[M42 (Japan)|M42 Duster SDF]], although this is not much of a difference (72 mm on M42 compared to 68 mm on Type 87), however the Type 87 gains the ability to fight other MBTs when it unlocks the Armour Piercing belts, which have 116 mm of penetration at 100 m. While this is not advised, it is an incredibly handy ability to have in an emergency.
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The Type 87 is also extremely proficient at shooting down helicopters - the [[AH-1G]] is a common nuisance that the Type 87 has no difficulty in destroying. However, for more modern helicopters, most notably the Kamov [[Ka-50]], the Type 87 is harmless.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight performance ===
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Aluminum Alloy AMS 4050A (Turret)
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
  
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 6,000 m)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
 
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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! Stock
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| Hull || 30 mm (78°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 30 mm (21-63°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm || 20 mm (16°) ''Top'' <br> 20 mm (49°) ''Bottom'' || 15 mm
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| 825 || 798 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.4 || 30.4 || 16.2 || 15.3 || rowspan="2" | 750
 
 
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| Turret || 25 mm (6-37°) <br> 20 mm (76°) ''Turret underside'' || 20 mm ''Turret side'' <br> 10 mm ''Cannons'' || 15 mm (3°) || 15 mm <br> 20 mm (69°) ''Turret underside''
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| ??? || 865 || ??.? || 28.0 || ??.? || 19.5
 
 
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==== Details ====
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=== Mobility ===
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 1023|rbMinHp= 637}}
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)}}
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Main weapons are the 35 mm Oerlikon KDA autocannons, which are essentially the same as [[Gepard]]'s. They are different from KDE gun variant of [[type 89]] if you used it - they use completely different ammunition and fire much faster.
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Guns will overheat if fired for longer than 15 seconds. They will cool off in about 30 seconds, but you can unjam them earlier by switching between ammunition belts.
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The guns are placed close to the centre of a turret, typically, if you missed one shot, you probably missed both shots. For this reason SPAA relies more on precise lengthy bursts with enemy flight path prediction, rather than "fire a 30 shot burst there and forget about it" of [[Chieftain Marksman]]. You have more ammunition for the gun than British equivalent, to compensate for this.
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35 mm gun is slightly weaker than the Bofors of [[M42 (Japan)|M42]].  One thing to keep in mind is with this vehicle you are hunting jets and jets suffer much heavier stress from the speed they employ. This heavier stress equates to greater damage caused by even one or two hits of 35 mm HEI-T which will explode them or rip off their wings. For best results, you just need to hit them once or twice, which 35 mm guns are much better at doing.
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For ammunition you can choose one main and one secondary belt. The secondary belt only has 40 shells, but it can be used to attack the enemy from capture points, as it rearms significantly faster. However, the secondary belt can be used in place of the main one for self-defence while the main belt rearms, so as to not leave the Type 87 defenceless.
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;List of belts:
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*'''Default''' belt, which alternates API-T and HEI-T shells - can attack planes and light tanks alike. HEI-T does fatal damage to aeroplanes, but has 3 mm penetration, being useless against tanks. API-T penetration is about 64 mm at 100 m at a flat angle. Keep in mind that it can fail to penetrate medium tanks. Against planes, API-T does kinetic damage and may rip off their wings on a good hit.
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*'''Anti-air''' belt, which alternates 3 HEI-T and 1 API-T  - 75% of this belt does critical damage to aircraft but does nothing to ground vehicles.
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*'''Anti-tank''' belt, which alternates 3 API-T and 1 HEI-T - 75% of this belt does significant damage to light tanks but does less damage to aircraft.
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*'''APDS anti-tank''' belt, which consists purely of APDS. APDS has better penetration value, easily penetrating 100 mm at 100 m at a flat angle, penetrating even decently protected tanks from the side and can threaten lightly armoured tanks even at 2km range. Cannot be chosen as the main belt.
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'''Belt types:'''
 
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! colspan="9" |Penetration statistics
 
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! rowspan="2" |Belt
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
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! colspan="6" |'''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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|Default || API-T, HEI-T || 67 || 64 || 52 || 39 || 30 || 23
 
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|DM11A1 || HEI-Tx3, API-T || 67 || 64 || 52 || 39 || 30 || 23
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! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
 
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| DM-13 || API-Tx3, HEI-T || 67 || 64 || 52 || 39 || 30 || 23
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 580 || 580 || 380 || ~10 || ~4
 
 
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| DM-23 || APDS || 112 || 110 || 101 || 90 || 71 || 62
 
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'''Note''': HEI-T does no damage to armoured targets, but critically damages planes. Penetration numbers are displayed for strongest shell in belt.
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===Radars===
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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The Type 87 is equipped with a [[MPDR 12]] search radar and an [[Albis]] tracking radar. Both radars are mounted at the rear of the turret, with the search radar mounted on top of an arm and the tracking radar mounted at the base of the arm. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret. It is not possible to fold the radars at this time.
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Search radar of this tank may often fail to catch passing by planes at closer ranges, which can be still locked on by tracking radar. In such case, you can try to go to sniper mode and aim crosshairs at enemy aircraft, then press "lock on" key to trigger manual tracking radar scan (will be visible by a quick sweep on radar display). If it failed, then the enemy plane has way too low relative speed to be consistently tracked.
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! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
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! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The range, below which, a target cannot be detected}}
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! {{Annotation|Max Azimuth<br/>Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
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! {{Annotation|Max Elevation<br/>Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>relative speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be detectable by the radar}}
 
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| 15,000 m || 500 m || 360° || ??? || 10 m/s (36 km/h)
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| colspan="3" | 4,550 kg || colspan="3" | 300 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
 
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! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}}
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! 16m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 53m fuel
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}}
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! {{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking<br/>Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}}
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! {{Annotation|Elevation Tracking<br/>Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>target speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be tracked by the radar}}
 
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| 15,000 m || 75 m || ±100° || -20°/+85° || 15 m/s (54 km/h)
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| 5,164 kg || 5,311 kg || 5,679 kg || 6,231 kg || 6,525 kg || 6,520 kg
 
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| 0.35 || 0.34 || 0.32 || 0.29 || 0.28 || 0.28
 
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| ''Optimal'' || 910 kgf<br/>(0 km/h) || N/A
 
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| 0.35 || 0.34 || 0.32 || 0.29 || 0.28 || 0.28
 
 
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As an Anti-Aircraft vehicle, you should push with your team and defend cap points by protecting allies from aircraft with your powerful 35 mm guns. It should not be a problem to stay away from the main battle unless you are being pushed or your position is being overrun. In case if you see enemy light SPG or light tank, you can try to destroy them as well. With APDS belt you may dare to attack decently armoured medium tanks from the side, but you only have enough ammo for one or two encounters, so make it count.
  
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Despite having radar, staying too far away from allies in arcade mode may backfire, as shells still take some time to reach enemy aircraft and hostile bombers only have to be 1.8 km away from them to drop bombs in the most efficient way possible, and it doesn't take a long time for them to reach that distance. If enemy aircraft is constantly wiggling, radar supported aim will also go all over the place, so try to guess where they are going, or press them to force them to change direction to one away from your allies.
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* 15 mm Steel - Pilot's headrest
 
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* 15 mm Steel - Between cockpit and fore fuel tank
 
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* 15 mm Steel - Instrument panel plate
 
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* 16 mm Steel x 2 - Ammunition protection plates
 
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In case if you actually got attacked by ground forces, you should then aim for cannon barrels and tracks of enemy vehicles. Your hull armour may deflect inbound shots if angled correctly, but don't expect your turret to do the same, as its armour is very thin and generally will be penetrated by everything at your battle rating and rank. Keep in mind, that your tank is a hull breakable vehicle, so avoid being hit by HEAT-FS rounds or by large kinetic shells into the engine compartment area.
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
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Use [[Hydropneumatic suspension]] to get better search radar coverage and gun depression on your targets, or to keep yourself standing flat. Standing flat is important, as being angled too much may add horizontal targeting error.
  
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* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannons, nose-mounted (72 rpg = 144 total)
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In case if you are fighting multiple attackers or rocket helicopters, avoid being carpet-bombed, as the Type 87 is not built to survive such attacks. Be especially careful with Soviet helicopters, as they can carry both rockets and missiles. Remember - radar lock will help your gun to stay on target even when you are moving, and so, if you see a wall of rockets approaching you, sidestep it and don't just stand there and take it.
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* 2 x 30 mm MK 108 cannons, nose-mounted (66 rpg = 132 total)
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* 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, nose-mounted (146 rpg = 292 total)
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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As a modified [[Me 262 A-1a]], its role in the battle has not changed that much. The added cannons make the plane more capable at its battle rating, with a single burst it will obliterate any opponent in its path.
 
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=== Modules ===
 
 
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|Tracks
 
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|DM11A1
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|Horizontal Drive
 
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| Offensive 30 mm
 
 
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|FPE
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|DM13
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|Adjustment of Fire
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|Laser rangefinder
 
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|Filters
 
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|Crew Replenishment
 
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|Elevation Mechanism
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| New 30 mm cannons
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|Smoke grenade
 
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|NVD
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
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* Outstanding amount of nose battery of 6 auto cannons
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* Powerful, fast-firing 35 mm twin Oerlikon KDA cannon
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* Obliterates any plane
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* Quick with the Type 74 chassis, up to 58 km/h
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* Decent energy retention (compared to other contemporary aircraft)
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* [[Hydropneumatic suspension]] with the Type 74 chassis
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* Only a slight difference in flight performance compared to the [[Me 262 A-1a]]
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* Can engage tanks from their sides
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* Lack of mounted armaments
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* -5 degrees of gun depression (bad compared to the Flakpanzer Gepard)
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* Rather slow compared to most other jets
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* 30 mm armour maximum
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* Bad acceleration
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* Any main ammunition belts other than the default cost 6,600 silver lions
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* Poor rate of climb
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* Spinning radar dish may make you more visible in tank realistic battles
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== History ==
 
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The Me 262A-1a / U1 is a modification of the world's first mass produced jet fighter, the German [[Me 262 A-1a|Me 262]] ‘Schwalbe’. The armament of the A-1 sub-serie, being four 30mm MK.108 auto cannons, had a number of drawbacks, such as cycle failures and complex heavy shell ballistics. For these reasons, engineers experimented with different variations as to the weaponry, including a reinforced cannon battery. As such, the Me.262A-1a/U1 modification was created as part of this program. German engineers managed to fit 6 autocannons in the nose: 2x20mm MG.151/20, 2x30mm stock version MK.108, and 2x30mm MK.103 guns. For the latter, they developed shells with a higher initial speed, and the guns themselves had a longer barrel length than the MK.108, as well as an effective muzzle brake - all to improve the ballistics of the heavy shells.  They built a prototype (according to other sources, there were three units), but the project was not entered into mass production. However, one example was flown by one of the most effective jet aces of World War II, Heinz Bär, who flew it at the end of April 1945, and with it, even shot down several Thunderbolts in the skies over Germany.
 
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''- From [[wt:en/news/6386-development-squadron-vehicles-me-262a-1a-u1-en|Devblog]]''
 
  
 
== Media ==
 
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[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=jp_type_87 '''Skins''' and '''camouflages''' for the Type 87 from live.warthunder.com.]
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Type 87
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Type 87
Japan flag.png Japan
VI Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
8.3 8.3 8.3
Class:
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Description

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The Twin 35 mm Self-Propelled Gun Type 87 is a rank VI Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle with a battle rating of 8.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.67 "Assault". It is incredibly similar to the German Flakpanzer Gepard, using the same 35 mm Oerlikon KDA autocannons with a similar turret. The key difference is that the Type 87 uses a modified chassis of the Type 74, compared to the Gepard being mounted on the Leopard I chassis.

The Type 87 performs fairly well at its rank, being able to effectively engage aircraft quite well thanks to its high rate of fire, quick turret traverse and radar systems. It is also capable of fighting lightly armoured tanks such as most infantry fighting vehicles (BMP, Warrior, M3 Bradley) and effectively killing them in seconds with its rapid-fire guns. The Type 87's default belts have less penetration than its predecessor, the M42 Duster SDF, although this is not much of a difference (72 mm on M42 compared to 68 mm on Type 87), however the Type 87 gains the ability to fight other MBTs when it unlocks the Armour Piercing belts, which have 116 mm of penetration at 100 m. While this is not advised, it is an incredibly handy ability to have in an emergency.

The Type 87 is also extremely proficient at shooting down helicopters - the AH-1G is a common nuisance that the Type 87 has no difficulty in destroying. However, for more modern helicopters, most notably the Kamov Ka-50, the Type 87 is harmless.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Aluminum Alloy AMS 4050A (Turret)
  • Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 30 mm (78°) Front glacis
30 mm (21-63°) Lower glacis 		20 mm 20 mm (16°) Top
20 mm (49°) Bottom 		15 mm
Turret 25 mm (6-37°)
20 mm (76°) Turret underside 		20 mm Turret side
10 mm Cannons 		15 mm (3°) 15 mm
20 mm (69°) Turret underside

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 58 9 38 1023 1,660 26.92 43.68
Realistic 54 8 637 870 16.76 22.89

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)

Main weapons are the 35 mm Oerlikon KDA autocannons, which are essentially the same as Gepard's. They are different from KDE gun variant of type 89 if you used it - they use completely different ammunition and fire much faster.

Guns will overheat if fired for longer than 15 seconds. They will cool off in about 30 seconds, but you can unjam them earlier by switching between ammunition belts.

The guns are placed close to the centre of a turret, typically, if you missed one shot, you probably missed both shots. For this reason SPAA relies more on precise lengthy bursts with enemy flight path prediction, rather than "fire a 30 shot burst there and forget about it" of Chieftain Marksman. You have more ammunition for the gun than British equivalent, to compensate for this.

35 mm gun is slightly weaker than the Bofors of M42. One thing to keep in mind is with this vehicle you are hunting jets and jets suffer much heavier stress from the speed they employ. This heavier stress equates to greater damage caused by even one or two hits of 35 mm HEI-T which will explode them or rip off their wings. For best results, you just need to hit them once or twice, which 35 mm guns are much better at doing.

For ammunition you can choose one main and one secondary belt. The secondary belt only has 40 shells, but it can be used to attack the enemy from capture points, as it rearms significantly faster. However, the secondary belt can be used in place of the main one for self-defence while the main belt rearms, so as to not leave the Type 87 defenceless.

List of belts
  • Default belt, which alternates API-T and HEI-T shells - can attack planes and light tanks alike. HEI-T does fatal damage to aeroplanes, but has 3 mm penetration, being useless against tanks. API-T penetration is about 64 mm at 100 m at a flat angle. Keep in mind that it can fail to penetrate medium tanks. Against planes, API-T does kinetic damage and may rip off their wings on a good hit.
  • Anti-air belt, which alternates 3 HEI-T and 1 API-T - 75% of this belt does critical damage to aircraft but does nothing to ground vehicles.
  • Anti-tank belt, which alternates 3 API-T and 1 HEI-T - 75% of this belt does significant damage to light tanks but does less damage to aircraft.
  • APDS anti-tank belt, which consists purely of APDS. APDS has better penetration value, easily penetrating 100 mm at 100 m at a flat angle, penetrating even decently protected tanks from the side and can threaten lightly armoured tanks even at 2km range. Cannot be chosen as the main belt.

Belt types:

Penetration statistics
Belt Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Default API-T, HEI-T 67 64 52 39 30 23
DM11A1 HEI-Tx3, API-T 67 64 52 39 30 23
DM-13 API-Tx3, HEI-T 67 64 52 39 30 23
DM-23 APDS 112 110 101 90 71 62

Note: HEI-T does no damage to armoured targets, but critically damages planes. Penetration numbers are displayed for strongest shell in belt.

Radars

Main articles: MPDR 12, Albis

The Type 87 is equipped with a MPDR 12 search radar and an Albis tracking radar. Both radars are mounted at the rear of the turret, with the search radar mounted on top of an arm and the tracking radar mounted at the base of the arm. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret. It is not possible to fold the radars at this time.

Search radar of this tank may often fail to catch passing by planes at closer ranges, which can be still locked on by tracking radar. In such case, you can try to go to sniper mode and aim crosshairs at enemy aircraft, then press "lock on" key to trigger manual tracking radar scan (will be visible by a quick sweep on radar display). If it failed, then the enemy plane has way too low relative speed to be consistently tracked.

MPDR 12 - Target Detection Radar
Maximum
Detection
Range 		Minimum
Detection
Range 		Max Azimuth
Scan Angle 		Max Elevation
Scan Angle 		Minimum
relative speed
15,000 m 500 m 360°  ??? 10 m/s (36 km/h)
Albis - Target Tracking Radar
Maximum
Tracking
Range 		Minimum
Tracking
Range 		Azimuth Tracking
Angle 		Elevation Tracking
Angle 		Minimum
target speed
15,000 m 75 m ±100° -20°/+85° 15 m/s (54 km/h)

Usage in battles

As an Anti-Aircraft vehicle, you should push with your team and defend cap points by protecting allies from aircraft with your powerful 35 mm guns. It should not be a problem to stay away from the main battle unless you are being pushed or your position is being overrun. In case if you see enemy light SPG or light tank, you can try to destroy them as well. With APDS belt you may dare to attack decently armoured medium tanks from the side, but you only have enough ammo for one or two encounters, so make it count.

Despite having radar, staying too far away from allies in arcade mode may backfire, as shells still take some time to reach enemy aircraft and hostile bombers only have to be 1.8 km away from them to drop bombs in the most efficient way possible, and it doesn't take a long time for them to reach that distance. If enemy aircraft is constantly wiggling, radar supported aim will also go all over the place, so try to guess where they are going, or press them to force them to change direction to one away from your allies.

In case if you actually got attacked by ground forces, you should then aim for cannon barrels and tracks of enemy vehicles. Your hull armour may deflect inbound shots if angled correctly, but don't expect your turret to do the same, as its armour is very thin and generally will be penetrated by everything at your battle rating and rank. Keep in mind, that your tank is a hull breakable vehicle, so avoid being hit by HEAT-FS rounds or by large kinetic shells into the engine compartment area.

Use Hydropneumatic suspension to get better search radar coverage and gun depression on your targets, or to keep yourself standing flat. Standing flat is important, as being angled too much may add horizontal targeting error.

In case if you are fighting multiple attackers or rocket helicopters, avoid being carpet-bombed, as the Type 87 is not built to survive such attacks. Be especially careful with Soviet helicopters, as they can carry both rockets and missiles. Remember - radar lock will help your gun to stay on target even when you are moving, and so, if you see a wall of rockets approaching you, sidestep it and don't just stand there and take it.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts DM11A1 Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE DM13 Adjustment of Fire Laser rangefinder
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism Smoke grenade
IV Transmission Engine DM23 Artillery Support NVD

Pros and cons

Pros

  • Powerful, fast-firing 35 mm twin Oerlikon KDA cannon
  • Quick with the Type 74 chassis, up to 58 km/h
  • Hydropneumatic suspension with the Type 74 chassis
  • Can engage tanks from their sides

Cons

  • -5 degrees of gun depression (bad compared to the Flakpanzer Gepard)
  • 30 mm armour maximum
  • Any main ammunition belts other than the default cost 6,600 silver lions
  • You can only have one secondary belt selected with a meagre ammo count
  • Spinning radar dish may make you more visible in tank realistic battles

History

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Media

Skins and camouflages for the Type 87 from live.warthunder.com.

See also

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External links


Japan anti-aircraft vehicles
Ke-Ni Derivatives  Ta-Se · So-Ki
Wheeled  Type 94
Tracked  SUB-I-II
Radar SPAAG  Type 87
Missile SPAA  Type 93 · Type 81 (C)
USA  ▅M16 MGMC · ▅M19A1 · ▅M42

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