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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]]. | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]]. | ||
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| + | The ZSD63 is currently the first vehicle in the Chinese SPAA line and offers some much needed anti-air capabilities to Chinese tankers. Though it looks rather like a jury-rigged technical from the Middle East, having a turret with twin autocannons grafted on an APC chassis, it packs some serious firepower for its rank. A slight brush from the ZSD63's rapid-fire cannons will tear most aircraft to shreds. Lightly armored ground vehicles will also learn to fear the onslaught of AP rounds, which cut through them like a buzzsaw. While it has excellent firepower, the defensive capabilities are very lacking; the large size and paper-thin armor make it an attractive target to anything on the battlefield. Other issues include the limited belt size, with each gun only having 40 rounds, and the truly abysmal reload speed. Despite these challenges, the ZSD63 can be a very fun vehicle to play and will serve well as an anti-air vehicle even beyond its lowly rank; the succeeding Chinese SPAAs have a much lower rate of fire and are harder to use against aerial targets until the [[WZ305]] and its fused shells are researched. | ||
== General info == | == General info == | ||
=== Survivability and armour === | === Survivability and armour === | ||
| − | Despite its armored box look, one would be hard pressed to call | + | <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' --> |
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| + | Despite its armored box look, one would be hard pressed to call the ZSD63 "armored". The armor is almost entirely 8 mm thick all-around, save for the 12 mm upper glacis. The near vertical sides may as well be unprotected. Adding insult to injury is the high mounted open top turret with the crews' head exposed on top like pumpkins. Even coaxial rifle-caliber machine guns stand a fair chance of penetrating this vehicle. While you might survive a few glancing bullets or have shots pass through the empty rear compartment, the best survival tactic is avoid being seen and stay close to cover for quick retreats after firing off a few bursts. | ||
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| + | Note that the ZSD63 can be hull-broken. Avoid being hit by HEAT or HE rounds. | ||
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=== Mobility === | === Mobility === | ||
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| + | Mobility is good, though somewhat underwhelming compared to what the statistics might suggest. With 19 hp/ton, the ZSD63 accelerates to 60 km/h forward on paved roads and the suspension works quite nicely on all kinds of terrain. Off-road speed is less impressive, topping at around 30-35 km/h. The 8 km/h reverse speed leaves some to be desired but is better than most contemporary vehicles. Overall, the ZSD63 is mobile enough to follow teammates and flank, though it is not exactly lightning fast and there should be no expectation of arriving at the battlefield far ahead of everyone else. | ||
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| − | The {{PAGENAME}} is arguably the most lethal | + | The {{PAGENAME}} is arguably the most lethal autocannon system at its rank in-game. Each cannon fires a staggering 10 rounds per second (600 rpm) with extremely high velocity and precision. The excellent turret traverse speed makes tracking targets very easy. Aircraft are instant confetti under its FI-T rounds. Although the AP-T penetration at 100 meters is only 60 mm, declining to 47 mm at 500 meters, the high fire rate and high velocity allow multiple hits at weak points until a kill shot is made. Light tanks, tank destroyers, and other SPAAs are generally easy targets. Medium units should not be too difficult to eliminate either, and even heavy tanks can be disabled by the cannons when aimed at vulnerable locations. The weaknesses are the limited belt capacity and the extremely long reload time, so be highly conservative with your fire control. This monster will be just as effective to Rank 7 as in Rank 2. |
| − | + | The default belt is a 50/50 mix of AP-T and FI-T. This does a pretty good job for anti-air operations, but for anti-tank usage the pure AP-T load is far better. If the ZSD63 is brought out at the start of a game, take mostly AP-T to deal with ground targets and switch to the default belt when aircraft begin to show up. There is also a pure FI-T belt that is high effective versus aircraft but essentially useless against ground targets; it is not of much use since the default belt is almost as effective and can still deal with ground targets in a pinch. | |
| − | ' | + | Avoid trying to switch belts in the middle of combat as might be done for other SPAAs. Doing so will put the guns out of commission for potentially more than 30 seconds, which is unhelpful to say the least if there are enemies around. This is also why it's important to have some AP-T rounds in the belts at all times. |
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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| − | + | When attacking ground units, be extremely cautious and avoid exposing your weak armor. Choose a pure AP (AP-T) load to double the chance of penetrating hits and head straight to good ambush spots. Wide flanking maneuvers are a good idea, allowing you to attack the weak sides of light targets. Going wide, you will likely encounter other weakly armored units like the popular [[M24 (Family)|M24 Chaffee]], which is very vulnerable to the 25mm cannons. Know you targets and aim for weak points. The ubiquitous Shermans are generally tough customers from the front, where at most the transmission housings or perhaps ventilators can be penetrated, but the terrible hull side armor is a good target. The lower side armor behind the tracks is an especially good weak point if facing Shermans with applique side armor, and spraying a wide burst in that area can knock out the transmission, ammo, and driver. Other medium tanks like the [[Pz.IV F2]] and [[Chi-Nu]] are vulnerable from the front at close range. T-34s are tougher targets and can only be reliably penetrated frontally in the turret cheeks (for "small turret" models like the [[T-34 (1940)]]) or the turret ring at close range. The hull sides are thicker and better sloped than other medium tanks and also have fuel tanks protecting the turret crew, so during flanking attacks, try to shoot the lower hull armor to knock out the engine and driver/machine gunner before going for the turret side. | |
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| + | For self defense, it is important to know how to disable opponents quickly and efficiently, with minimal time and ammunition expenditure. Obviously the optimal situation is to knock out a target's crew before they can attack the ZSD63, but this will not always be possible. The twin cannons can destroy tracks and tires almost instantly, but for turreted vehicles this will not prevent the target from returning fire. If only one track is destroyed, even a casemate tank destroyer can potentially scoot around enough to fire back (though this can expose their sides). Destroying the engine is a good move when shooting from the sides or rear for this reason. Destroying gun barrels is also a good idea, but this can be difficult if said barrel is pointed directly at you, presenting a small cross section. Destroying turret rings can also be helpful, but this is not really possible outside of close quarters, and some tanks like Shermans don't even have vulnerable turret rings. Juggling these techniques takes practice, and some may end up using a lot of ammo, so it's best not to use the ZSD63 offensively against multiple well-armored opponents. Damage targets just enough to save yourself and allow your teammates to finish them off. A target with upgraded crew skills might be able to repair their damage before the ZSD63 can reload! | ||
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| + | Avoid firing continuously for longer than 1 second or so. The cannons have noticeable recoil and the limited ammunition capacity does not allow for much "Spray and Pray". Firing measured bursts and adjusting the fire as necessary will lead to cleaner results, though if a very nice firing solution is available, don't be afraid to let loose. Against aircraft in particular, fire conservatively if the target is not flying directly towards or away from the ZSD63. Planes diving straight towards the ZSD63 are very threatening, but at the same time they would have signed their own death warrant; move a bit and put a nice spray of 25 mm rounds in their flight path, even a few successful FI-T impacts will do the job. The AP round does not have explosive filler so multiple penetrating hits are needed to defeat a tank. Remember that the ZSD63 also has access to artillery, a very useful spoiler to keep your targets off balance. | ||
| − | Expect to go to allied cap zone more than most vehicles to replenish ammo and possibly another | + | Expect to go to allied cap zone more than most vehicles to replenish ammo and possibly another crew member. |
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
| − | * Excellent firepower against both planes and tanks | + | * Excellent firepower against both planes and tanks |
* Great -10 degrees gun depression allows sneaky shots in hilly terrains | * Great -10 degrees gun depression allows sneaky shots in hilly terrains | ||
| − | + | * High top speed allows it to get to positions in time | |
| − | * High top speed allows it to get to positions in time | + | * Thin armor can lead to some shells over-penetrating without detonation (e.g. 122 mm) |
| − | * Thin armor can lead to some shells over-penetrating without detonation ( | + | * Huge gap behind the driving compartment and below the turret can absorb shells |
| − | * Huge gap behind the driving compartment and below the turret can absorb | + | * Great gunsight magnification allows easy snipes from long range |
| − | * Great gunsight magnification allows easy snipes from long range | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
| − | * Very poor survivability due to its light armor and open-topped turret | + | * Very poor survivability due to its light armor and open-topped turret |
| − | * Extremely long reload time of 32 seconds | + | * Fuel tanks are easily set on fire |
| − | * High profile makes it easier to get spotted and shot at | + | * Extremely long reload time of up to 32 seconds |
| − | * Requires expert fire control since the firerate can empty the magazine quickly and the reload is very long | + | * High profile makes it easier to get spotted and shot at |
| − | * AP is still not enough to penetrate heavy tanks even point blank | + | * Requires expert fire control since the firerate can empty the magazine quickly and the reload is very long |
| + | * AP is still not enough to penetrate heavy tanks even point blank | ||
== History == | == History == | ||
Revision as of 02:38, 12 June 2020
Contents
Description
The ZSD63/PG87, Dual-Barrel AA is a rank III Chinese SPAA
with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB) and 5.0 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Starfighters".
The ZSD63 is currently the first vehicle in the Chinese SPAA line and offers some much needed anti-air capabilities to Chinese tankers. Though it looks rather like a jury-rigged technical from the Middle East, having a turret with twin autocannons grafted on an APC chassis, it packs some serious firepower for its rank. A slight brush from the ZSD63's rapid-fire cannons will tear most aircraft to shreds. Lightly armored ground vehicles will also learn to fear the onslaught of AP rounds, which cut through them like a buzzsaw. While it has excellent firepower, the defensive capabilities are very lacking; the large size and paper-thin armor make it an attractive target to anything on the battlefield. Other issues include the limited belt size, with each gun only having 40 rounds, and the truly abysmal reload speed. Despite these challenges, the ZSD63 can be a very fun vehicle to play and will serve well as an anti-air vehicle even beyond its lowly rank; the succeeding Chinese SPAAs have a much lower rate of fire and are harder to use against aerial targets until the WZ305 and its fused shells are researched.
General info
Survivability and armour
Despite its armored box look, one would be hard pressed to call the ZSD63 "armored". The armor is almost entirely 8 mm thick all-around, save for the 12 mm upper glacis. The near vertical sides may as well be unprotected. Adding insult to injury is the high mounted open top turret with the crews' head exposed on top like pumpkins. Even coaxial rifle-caliber machine guns stand a fair chance of penetrating this vehicle. While you might survive a few glancing bullets or have shots pass through the empty rear compartment, the best survival tactic is avoid being seen and stay close to cover for quick retreats after firing off a few bursts.
Note that the ZSD63 can be hull-broken. Avoid being hit by HEAT or HE rounds.
| Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear |
|---|---|---|---|
| Hull | 12 mm | 8 mm | 8 mm |
| Turret | 8 mm | 8 mm | 8 mm |
Notes:
Mobility
Mobility is good, though somewhat underwhelming compared to what the statistics might suggest. With 19 hp/ton, the ZSD63 accelerates to 60 km/h forward on paved roads and the suspension works quite nicely on all kinds of terrain. Off-road speed is less impressive, topping at around 30-35 km/h. The 8 km/h reverse speed leaves some to be desired but is better than most contemporary vehicles. Overall, the ZSD63 is mobile enough to follow teammates and flank, though it is not exactly lightning fast and there should be no expectation of arriving at the battlefield far ahead of everyone else.
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 66 | 10 | 14 | _,___ | 496 | __.__ | 35.43 |
| Realistic | 61 | 9 | _,___ | 260 | __.__ | 18.57 | |
Armaments
Main armament
The ZSD63/PG87 is arguably the most lethal autocannon system at its rank in-game. Each cannon fires a staggering 10 rounds per second (600 rpm) with extremely high velocity and precision. The excellent turret traverse speed makes tracking targets very easy. Aircraft are instant confetti under its FI-T rounds. Although the AP-T penetration at 100 meters is only 60 mm, declining to 47 mm at 500 meters, the high fire rate and high velocity allow multiple hits at weak points until a kill shot is made. Light tanks, tank destroyers, and other SPAAs are generally easy targets. Medium units should not be too difficult to eliminate either, and even heavy tanks can be disabled by the cannons when aimed at vulnerable locations. The weaknesses are the limited belt capacity and the extremely long reload time, so be highly conservative with your fire control. This monster will be just as effective to Rank 7 as in Rank 2.
The default belt is a 50/50 mix of AP-T and FI-T. This does a pretty good job for anti-air operations, but for anti-tank usage the pure AP-T load is far better. If the ZSD63 is brought out at the start of a game, take mostly AP-T to deal with ground targets and switch to the default belt when aircraft begin to show up. There is also a pure FI-T belt that is high effective versus aircraft but essentially useless against ground targets; it is not of much use since the default belt is almost as effective and can still deal with ground targets in a pinch.
Avoid trying to switch belts in the middle of combat as might be done for other SPAAs. Doing so will put the guns out of commission for potentially more than 30 seconds, which is unhelpful to say the least if there are enemies around. This is also why it's important to have some AP-T rounds in the belts at all times.
| 25 mm PG87 (x2) | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mode | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
| Arcade | 480 (40) | 600 | -10°/+90° | ±180° | N/A | 47.6 | __.__ | __.__ | __.__ | 67.93 | 32.5 | _.__ | _.__ | 25 |
| Realistic | 32.1 | __.__ | __.__ | __.__ | 45.9 | |||||||||
Ammunition
- Default: AP-T · FI-T
- Type 87 AP: AP-T
- Type 87 HE: FI-T
| Penetration statistics | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Belts | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | |
| Default | 63 | 60 | 47 | 35 | 26 | 19 |
| Type 87 AP | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Type 87 HE | 63 | 60 | 47 | 35 | 26 | 19 |
| Belt details | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| Type 87 AP | AP-T | 1050 | 0.25 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| Type 87 HE | FI-T | 1050 | 0.25 | N/A | 0.1 | 19 | 47° | 56° | 65° |
Ammo racks
| Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ |
Usage in battles
When attacking ground units, be extremely cautious and avoid exposing your weak armor. Choose a pure AP (AP-T) load to double the chance of penetrating hits and head straight to good ambush spots. Wide flanking maneuvers are a good idea, allowing you to attack the weak sides of light targets. Going wide, you will likely encounter other weakly armored units like the popular M24 Chaffee, which is very vulnerable to the 25mm cannons. Know you targets and aim for weak points. The ubiquitous Shermans are generally tough customers from the front, where at most the transmission housings or perhaps ventilators can be penetrated, but the terrible hull side armor is a good target. The lower side armor behind the tracks is an especially good weak point if facing Shermans with applique side armor, and spraying a wide burst in that area can knock out the transmission, ammo, and driver. Other medium tanks like the Pz.IV F2 and Chi-Nu are vulnerable from the front at close range. T-34s are tougher targets and can only be reliably penetrated frontally in the turret cheeks (for "small turret" models like the T-34 (1940)) or the turret ring at close range. The hull sides are thicker and better sloped than other medium tanks and also have fuel tanks protecting the turret crew, so during flanking attacks, try to shoot the lower hull armor to knock out the engine and driver/machine gunner before going for the turret side.
For self defense, it is important to know how to disable opponents quickly and efficiently, with minimal time and ammunition expenditure. Obviously the optimal situation is to knock out a target's crew before they can attack the ZSD63, but this will not always be possible. The twin cannons can destroy tracks and tires almost instantly, but for turreted vehicles this will not prevent the target from returning fire. If only one track is destroyed, even a casemate tank destroyer can potentially scoot around enough to fire back (though this can expose their sides). Destroying the engine is a good move when shooting from the sides or rear for this reason. Destroying gun barrels is also a good idea, but this can be difficult if said barrel is pointed directly at you, presenting a small cross section. Destroying turret rings can also be helpful, but this is not really possible outside of close quarters, and some tanks like Shermans don't even have vulnerable turret rings. Juggling these techniques takes practice, and some may end up using a lot of ammo, so it's best not to use the ZSD63 offensively against multiple well-armored opponents. Damage targets just enough to save yourself and allow your teammates to finish them off. A target with upgraded crew skills might be able to repair their damage before the ZSD63 can reload!
Avoid firing continuously for longer than 1 second or so. The cannons have noticeable recoil and the limited ammunition capacity does not allow for much "Spray and Pray". Firing measured bursts and adjusting the fire as necessary will lead to cleaner results, though if a very nice firing solution is available, don't be afraid to let loose. Against aircraft in particular, fire conservatively if the target is not flying directly towards or away from the ZSD63. Planes diving straight towards the ZSD63 are very threatening, but at the same time they would have signed their own death warrant; move a bit and put a nice spray of 25 mm rounds in their flight path, even a few successful FI-T impacts will do the job. The AP round does not have explosive filler so multiple penetrating hits are needed to defeat a tank. Remember that the ZSD63 also has access to artillery, a very useful spoiler to keep your targets off balance.
Expect to go to allied cap zone more than most vehicles to replenish ammo and possibly another crew member.
Modules
| Tier | Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| I | Tracks | Parts | Horizontal Drive | Type 87 HE | |
| II | Suspension | Brake System | FPE | Adjustment of Fire | Type 87 AP |
| III | Filters | Crew Replenishment | Elevation Mechanism | ||
| IV | Transmission | Engine | Artillery Support | ||
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Excellent firepower against both planes and tanks
- Great -10 degrees gun depression allows sneaky shots in hilly terrains
- High top speed allows it to get to positions in time
- Thin armor can lead to some shells over-penetrating without detonation (e.g. 122 mm)
- Huge gap behind the driving compartment and below the turret can absorb shells
- Great gunsight magnification allows easy snipes from long range
Cons:
- Very poor survivability due to its light armor and open-topped turret
- Fuel tanks are easily set on fire
- Extremely long reload time of up to 32 seconds
- High profile makes it easier to get spotted and shot at
- Requires expert fire control since the firerate can empty the magazine quickly and the reload is very long
- AP is still not enough to penetrate heavy tanks even point blank
History
The 装甲输送车 (Zhuangjia Shusong Che, Armoured Personnel Carrier) ZSD63 was China's first domestic armored vehicle design. China initiated the work in 1958 with prototype finished in 1960. It is also sometimes called the "Type 63", both a name system used to refer to Julian year of production start. Basic steel box design is simple and functional, designed for small arms protection and have all terrain operation with amphibious capabilities. Although a Chinese design the Soviet design influence is strongly visible. Thousands have been produced with hundreds sold to other countries making it one of the most successful military vehicles built.
This SPAA version mounts a turret on the roof armed with twin PG87 which is based on the Soviet ZU-23-2 23mm auto cannon which was modified to use domestically produced 25x183B 25mm rounds. As the name suggests this weapon was put in production in 1987 making for a retrofit of an approximately 23 year old chassis. This turret seems to be literally mounted on the roof, as there is no hole into the hull of the ZSD, likely an attempt to maintain is amphibious ability despite additional weight. In addition a pair of extending feet for stabilization are added, but not functional in game. It is likely in real world operation the vehicle had to be stationary, feet planted, and crew externally passing the large and heavy ammo magazines to the loaders on top.
Media
Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the vehicles;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| China anti-aircraft vehicles | |
|---|---|
| Radar SPAAG | PGZ09 |
| Gun and Missile SPAAG | PGZ04A |
| Missile SPAA | Antelope |
| Other | ZSD63/PG87 · ZSL92 · WZ305 |
| Germany | ␗Sd.Kfz.222 |
| North Vietnam | Phòng không T-34 |
| USA | CCKW 353 (M45) · ␗M42 |
| USSR | Tor-M1 |
