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Ostwind II

Ostwind

Zerstörer 45

Ostwind II

AB	RB	SB
5.7	5.3	5.3

Class:

SPAA

Research:46 000

Purchase:155 000

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Description

The Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind II" is an up-gunned modification of the Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind", which is the second variant of the Flakpanzer IV self-propelled anti-aircraft gun family. To increase the firing rate, the Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind" was redesigned with two 37 mm Flugzeugabwehrkanone 43 cannons. A single prototype was built, but World War II ended before it could be fully completed.

Introduced in Update 1.91 "Night Vision", the Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind II" is an improvement over its predecessors. The increased firepower is useful against aircraft that are much faster in its rank. Due to the sheer destructive power of the ammunition, most enemy aircraft can be brought down with a single hit. The platform, however, remains lightly armoured and should only be used to engage enemy ground units if absolutely necessary.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull30 / 30 / 20

Turret25 / 25 / 25

Crew6 people

Visibility121 %

The frontal hull armour (80 mm) is quite well protected against small-calibre weapons and .50 cal HMGs, the sides (30 mm) and rear (20 mm) are not as well protected.

The turret is open at the top and has a rectangular recess in the right, frontal turret armour, because of the optics.

In addition, the steel of the turret (25 mm) is very weakly armoured, as well as the hull roof (10-12 mm).

Since the vehicle has a crew of six, with the driver and the machine gunner/radio operator in the hull, it usually survives the first attack from enemy aircraft as well as a shot into the turret.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB43 / 8 km/h

RB and SB39 / 8 km/h

Number of gears6 forward

1 back

Weight25.0 t

Engine power

AB572 hp

RB and SB300 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB22.9 hp/t

RB and SB12.0 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Game Mode	Forward	Reverse	Weight (tons)	Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	43	8	25	426	572	17.04	22.88
Realistic	39	8	25	265	300	10.6	12

The Ostwind II does not have that great average speed, which means that the 39 km/h will be rare on the battlefield. Forget about trying to turn on the spot as this vehicle does not have neutral steering. Even worse is attempting to use the reverse gear (-7 km/h) which is extremely insufficient presenting an easy target if having to back out of a tight situation.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB2 948 → 3 794

RB2 314 → 2 978

SB3 511 → 4 518

Total cost of modifications40 200

77 800

Talisman cost1 400

Crew training45 000

Experts155 000

Aces630

Research Aces440 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

110 / 140 / 200 %

160 / 160 / 160 %

Modifications

Mobility

Protection

Firepower

Tracks Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 130
Suspension Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 115	Brake System Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 115
Filters Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 165
Transmission Research: 4 400 Cost: 8 500 290	Engine Research: 4 400 Cost: 8 500 290

Improved Parts

Research:

2 000

Cost:

3 900

130

Improved FPE

Research:

1 800

Cost:

3 500

115

Crew Replenishment

Research:

2 500

Cost:

4 800

165

37mm_ger_flak36_HE_ammo_pack Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 130	Horizontal Drive Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 130
37mm_ger_flak36_AP_ammo_pack Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 115	Adjustment of Fire Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 115
37mm_ger_mgr_HE_ammo_pack Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 165	Elevation Mechanism Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 165
Artillery Support Research: 4 400 Cost: 8 500 290

Armaments

Main armament

2 x 37 mm FlaK44 cannon

Ammunition992 rounds

Belt capacity8 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

0.3 → 0.2 s

Fire rate250 shots/min

Vertical guidance-10° / 87°

Main article: FlaK44 (37 mm)

37 mm FlaK44 (x2)						Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	992 (8)	250	-10°/+87°	±180°	N/A	30.82	42.66	51.80	57.28	60.94	0.31	0.27	0.25	0.24
Realistic	992 (8)	250	-10°/+87°	±180°	N/A	20.83	24.50	29.75	32.90	35.00	0.31	0.27	0.25	0.24

Ammunition

Default: APHE · FI-T
Sprgr. 18: FI-T
PzGr: APHE
M.Gr.18: HEI-T

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
FI-T	7	7	5	4	3	3
APHE	49	46	33	22	14	10
HEI-T	7	7	6	4	4	4

Shell details
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	0%	50%	100%
FI-T	820	0.62	0.1	0.1	49.3	79°	80°	81°
APHE	770	0.69	1.2	9	22.1	47°	60°	65°
HEI-T	914	0.55	0.1	0.1	108	79°	80°	81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Ostwind II

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	6th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
124	92 (+32)	62 (+62)	30 (+94)	6 (+118)	2 (+122)	0 (+124)	Yes

Machine guns

7.92 mm MG34 machine gun (coaxial)

Ammunition1 800 rounds

Belt capacity150 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

10.4 → 8.0 s

Fire rate900 shots/min

Main article: MG34 (7.92 mm)

7.92 mm MG34
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Hull	1,800 (150)	900	-5°/+7°	±10°

Usage in battles

Realistic Battles

The Ostwind II should be held in reserve, for towards the end of the game when there tends to be a significant amount of enemy aircraft flying. It is best to avoid the front lines or beating feet toward the enemy tanks as the Ostwind II tends to be an easy target for a majority of the other tanks in the game.

If your own team is about to lose or it gets very exciting towards the end and there are not many enemies left alive, you can place your Ostwind II inside an allied capture-point to defend it from enemy light tanks. Due to the location, it is more central to the battlefield and presents a difficult challenge for enemy aircraft to attempt to fly over.

It should also be kept in mind that if impenetrable heavily armoured enemies are encountered and you are left with no other option but to engage them, firing in a sustained manner at their cannon barrel is a semi-viable idea. This is because it is entirely possible that it will result in a damaged cannon barrel for the enemy and a chance to escape for you. Furthermore, you can target the tank tracks as well to leave the enemy both harmless and immobile which may possibly get you a kill assist if a teammate with enough firepower is nearby. Any tank with top mounted machine guns will be sure to ruin the day, as most within the Ostwind's BR range will have plenty of penetrating power to hit anyone inside your turret. Avoidance of most American and Russian armor is highly recommended due to their exterior armaments.

Pros and cons

Pros:

2 x 3.7 cm FlaK 44 cannons with a high rate of fire
M. Gr. 18 rounds have a high muzzle velocity and explosive mass
Does not need to reload until it is completely out of ammunition
Enough penetration to destroy enemy light armoured vehicles
High number of crew members makes it harder to kill this SPAA by knocking out all crew members

Cons:

Poorer-than-average mobility and top speed (Panzer IV chassis)
Slower turret rotation compared to earlier German SPAAs
Open-topped design makes it vulnerable to rockets, artillery strikes, and aircraft machine gun/cannon fire

History

The Ostwind II was a development of the Ostwind. First conceived as early as October 1943, the Ostwind II saw the single 3.7 cm FlaK 43 replaced by a twinned 3.7 cm FlaK Zwilling 44 built by the Gustloff-Werke in Suhl. One single prototype was delivered to the Panzerflak-Ersatz und Ausbildungsabteilung Ohrsdurf/Thühringen in January of 1945 for evaluation purposes, but due to the rapid events of the war it was never taken into production.

Media

Skins

Skins and camouflages for the Ostwind II from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

German SPAAs discusses the Ostwind II at 3:44 - War Thunder Official Channel

Ostwind II: Same Old Wind But Stock - Napalmratte

The Ostwind II SPAA - Orangefan

External links

[Development] Changes and optimization in the German tech-tree

Germany anti-aircraft vehicles
Wheeled	Sd.Kfz.222
Half-track	Sd.Kfz.251/21 · Sd.Kfz. 6/2
Flakpanzer IV	Wirbelwind · Ostwind · Ostwind II · Kugelblitz · Zerstörer 45
Other Flakpanzers	Flakpanzer I · Flakpanzer 38 · Flakpanzer 341
Wiesel AWC	Wiesel 1A4 · Ozelot
Radar SPAAG	Gepard · Gepard 1A2
Missile SPAA	FlaRakPz 1 · FlaRakRad

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+| usage = the single-barelled version
+| link = Ostwind
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German self-propelled anti-aircraft gun {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]], replacing the [[Flakpanzer 341]] in the German tech tree.
+The '''Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind II"''' is an up-gunned modification of the [[Ostwind|Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind"]], which is the second variant of the [[Flakpanzer IV (Disambiguation)|Flakpanzer IV self-propelled anti-aircraft gun family]]. To increase the firing rate, the Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind" was redesigned with two 37 mm Flugzeugabwehrkanone 43 cannons. A single prototype was built, but World War II ended before it could be fully completed.
-The {{PAGENAME}} is an average SPAAG which definitely has nothing to look for on the front line, however, there is a great advantage with its double cannon which becomes extremely dangerous for enemy aircraft which fly within range.
-The {{PAGENAME}} has sufficient penetrating power to destroy [[M18 GMC|M18]]s or other light armoured vehicles, however, one should rather concentrate on enemy aircraft. The reasoning behind this is because the turret is open from above and weakly armoured on the sides, so is vulnerable to enemy aircraft fire and vehicles that carry .50 calibre machine guns.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]], the Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind II" is an improvement over its predecessors. The increased firepower is useful against aircraft that are much faster in its rank. Due to the sheer destructive power of the ammunition, most enemy aircraft can be brought down with a single hit. The platform, however, remains lightly armoured and should only be used to engage enemy ground units if absolutely necessary.
 == General info ==
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 [[File:Ostwind II armour.jpg|alt=Ostwind II armour|right|thumb|x200px]]
-The frontal hull armour (80 mm) is quite well protected against small-calibre weapons and [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 caliber BMG]]s, the sides (30 mm) and rear (20 mm) are not as well protected.
+The frontal hull armour (80 mm) is quite well protected against small-calibre weapons and [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 cal HMGs]], the sides (30 mm) and rear (20 mm) are not as well protected.
 The turret is open at the top and has a rectangular recess in the right, frontal turret armour, because of the optics.
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 * '''Sprgr. 18:''' {{Annotation|FI-T|Fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
 * '''PzGr:''' {{Annotation|APHE|Armour-piercing high-explosive}}
-* '''M.Gr.18:''' {{Annotation|FI-T|Fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
+* '''M.Gr.18:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:FlaK44 (37 mm)/Ammunition|FI-T, APHE, HEI-T}}
-! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
-|-
-! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
-|-
-| Default || 49 || 46 || 33 || 22 || 14 || 10
-|-
-| Sprgr. 18 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
-|-
-| PzGr || 49 || 46 || 33 || 22 || 14 || 10
-|-
-| M.Gr.18 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
-|-
-|}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Belt details
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! colspan="3" | Ricochet
-|-
-! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
-|-
-| Sprgr. 18 || FI-T || 820 || 0.62 || 0.3 || 0.1 || 49.3 || 79° || 80° || 81°
-|-
-| PzGr || APHE || 770 || 0.69 || 1.2 || 9 || 22.1 || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| M.Gr.18 || FI-T || 914 || 0.55 || 0 || 0.1 || 108 || 47° || 56° || 65°
-|-
-|}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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-<!-- ==== [[Optics]] ====
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
-! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
-|-
-!
-! Default magnification
-! Maximum magnification
-|-
-! Main Gun optics
-| X2.1 || X3.7
-|-
-! Comparable optics
-| colspan="2" | ???
-|-
-|} -->
 === Machine guns ===
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 If your own team is about to lose or it gets very exciting towards the end and there are not many enemies left alive, you can place your {{PAGENAME}} inside an allied capture-point to defend it from enemy light tanks. Due to the location, it is more central to the battlefield and presents a difficult challenge for enemy aircraft to attempt to fly over.
-It should also be kept in mind that if impenetrable heavily armoured enemies are encountered and you are left with no other option but to engage them, firing in a sustained manner at their cannon barrel is a semi-viable idea. This is because it is entirely possible that it will result in a damaged cannon barrel for the enemy and a chance to escape for you. Furthermore, you can target the tank tracks as well to leave the enemy both harmless and immobile which may possibly get you a kill assist if a teammate with enough firepower is nearby.
+It should also be kept in mind that if impenetrable heavily armoured enemies are encountered and you are left with no other option but to engage them, firing in a sustained manner at their cannon barrel is a semi-viable idea. This is because it is entirely possible that it will result in a damaged cannon barrel for the enemy and a chance to escape for you. Furthermore, you can target the tank tracks as well to leave the enemy both harmless and immobile which may possibly get you a kill assist if a teammate with enough firepower is nearby. Any tank with top mounted machine guns will be sure to ruin the day, as most within the Ostwind's BR range will have plenty of penetrating power to hit anyone inside your turret. Avoidance of most American and Russian armor is highly recommended due to their exterior armaments.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* 2 x 3.7 cm FlaK 44 cannons with access to decent default belts
+* 2 x 3.7 cm FlaK 44 cannons with a high rate of fire
-* M. Gr. 18 rounds have quite high muzzle velocity and explosive mass for the BR
+* M. Gr. 18 rounds have a high muzzle velocity and explosive mass
-* M. Gr. 18 rounds often only need to hit an aircraft once to knock it out of combat
 * Does not need to reload until it is completely out of ammunition
 * Enough penetration to destroy enemy light armoured vehicles
-* Combination of low BR, low SP cost, high fire-rate, strong 5.3 - 6.3 line up, and high accuracy make it an incredibly powerful vehicle against aircraft
+* High number of crew members makes it harder to kill this SPAA by knocking out all crew members
 '''Cons:'''
-* Built on Panzer IV chassis and is a contemporary of it
+* Poorer-than-average mobility and top speed (Panzer IV chassis)
-* Quite slow average speed
+* Slower turret rotation compared to earlier German SPAAs
-* Inadequate penetration against many enemy vehicles (best against aircraft)
+* Open-topped design makes it vulnerable to rockets, artillery strikes, and aircraft machine gun/cannon fire
-* Slower turret rotation compared to earlier German SPAA
-* Higher than average repair cost for the battle rating (not enough to discourage use however)
-* Often killed extremely easily by stray rockets, artillery, or machine gun/cannon fire.
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=germany&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=germ_flakpanzer_IV_Ostwind_2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_flakpanzer_IV_Ostwind_2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|naeDoEwZ5Pg|'''German SPAAs''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 3:44 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|Tvf5Z49Tjc4|'''{{PAGENAME}}: Same Old Wind But Stock''' - ''Napalmratte''|KHoF40aIeEU|'''The {{PAGENAME}} SPAA''' - ''Orangefan''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|naeDoEwZ5Pg|'''German SPAAs''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 3:44 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|Tvf5Z49Tjc4|'''Ostwind II: Same Old Wind But Stock''' - ''Napalmratte''|KHoF40aIeEU|'''The Ostwind II SPAA''' - ''Orangefan''}}
 == See also ==
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[Ostwind]] - Predecessor with a single 37 mm FlaK 43 autocannon.
+;Related development
+* [[Flakpanzer IV]]
+** [[Ostwind]] - Predecessor with a single 37 mm FlaK 43 autocannon.
+;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Flakpanzer 341]] - Gift vehicle that the Ostwind II substituted in the main tech tree.
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Difference between revisions of "Ostwind II"

Latest revision as of 10:30, 21 November 2023

Contents

Description

General info

Survivability and armour

Mobility

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition

Ammo racks

Machine guns

Usage in battles

Pros and cons

History

Media

See also

External links