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| − | The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it. | + | The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it. |
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| − | | Cupola || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 15 mm | + | | Cupola || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 15 mm |
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The SUB-I-II has a modest top reverse speed in RB of -12 km/h so bear that in mind when choosing a good spot to shoot from. | The SUB-I-II has a modest top reverse speed in RB of -12 km/h so bear that in mind when choosing a good spot to shoot from. | ||
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=== Modifications and economy === | === Modifications and economy === | ||
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{{main|Rh202 (20 mm)}} | {{main|Rh202 (20 mm)}} | ||
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! ''Arcade'' | ! ''Arcade'' | ||
| − | | rowspan="2" | 800 (100) || rowspan="2" | 800 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+80° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | | + | | rowspan="2" | 800 (100) || rowspan="2" | 800 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+80° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 52.8 || 73.1 || 88.8 || 98.2 || 104.5 || rowspan="2" | 10.40 || rowspan="2" | 9.20 || rowspan="2" | 8.48 || rowspan="2" | 8.00 |
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! ''Realistic'' | ! ''Realistic'' | ||
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==== Ammunition ==== | ==== Ammunition ==== | ||
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* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} | * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} | ||
* '''DM51A1:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}} | * '''DM51A1:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}} | ||
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal | ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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| − | When hunting for planes, the SUB-I-II should always have some sort of cover to hide behind in case a plane retaliates. When shooting, you should also be mindful of the gun overheating and use all of the rounds in the belt as the SUB-I-II has only 800 rounds at most. If possible, try to remain near a friendly capture point to restock on ammo belts when they run out because the main | + | When hunting for planes, the SUB-I-II should always have some sort of cover to hide behind in case a plane retaliates. When shooting, you should also be mindful of the gun overheating and use all of the rounds in the belt as the SUB-I-II has only 800 rounds at most. If possible, try to remain near a friendly capture point to restock on ammo belts when they run out because the main cannon can shoot at 800 rpm. |
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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* Can penetrate some medium tanks from the side | * Can penetrate some medium tanks from the side | ||
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* Low survivability | * Low survivability | ||
Revision as of 22:01, 8 August 2023
Contents
Description
The Mitsubishi SUB-I-II was a prototype for the Type 73 APC meant to replace the smaller Type 60 APC. Going through multiple prototypes, this particular version was tested with a Rh202 (20 mm) as a self-defense and anti-air cannon, though this armament would not see use in the final version.
It was introduced in Update "Apex Predators". The SUB-I-II provides an excellent fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour. As such, if positioned correctly against a suitable target, the SUB-I-II can utilize the APDS autocannon to shred their opponent apart.
General info
Survivability and armour
Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull20 / 12 / 12
Turret20 / 20 / 20
Crew4 people
Visibility88 %
The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it.
Armour type:
- Aluminium alloy 5083 (hull, gun mount)
- Cast homogeneous armour (cupola)
| Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hull | 20 mm (52°) Upper glacis 20 mm (24-60°) Lower glacis |
12.7+5 mm Top 12.7 mm Bottom |
20 mm (7°) | 10 mm 5 mm Engine vents |
| Turret | 20 mm (conical) | 20 mm (conical) | 20 mm | |
| Cupola | 10 mm (spherical) Base 15 mm (spherical) Dome |
10 mm (spherical) Base 15 mm (spherical) Dome |
10 mm (spherical) Base 15 mm (spherical) Dome |
15 mm |
Notes:
- Suspension wheels and torsion bars are 10 mm thick, while tracks are 15 mm thick.
- Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
Mobility
Amphibious
The design allows you to swim and control movement in the water
Speedforward / back
AB65 / 17 km/h
RB and SB60 / 15 km/h
Number of gears8 forward
2 back
Weight13.5 t
Engine power
AB668 hp
RB and SB350 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB49.5 hp/t
RB and SB25.9 hp/t
The SUB-I-II has a modest top reverse speed in RB of -12 km/h so bear that in mind when choosing a good spot to shoot from.
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
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| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 65 | 17 | 13.5 | 497 | 668 | 36.81 | 49.48 |
| Realistic | 60 | 15 | 310 | 350 | 22.96 | 25.93 | |
Modifications and economy
Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 794 → 3 780 
RB2 217 → 2 999
SB3 429 → 4 639
Total cost of modifications40 400 
78 000
Talisman cost1 400 
Crew training45 000
Experts155 000
Aces630
Research Aces440 000
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
110 / 140 / 200 %
160 / 160 / 160 %
| Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Main armament
20 mm Rh202 cannon
Ammunition800 rounds
Belt capacity100 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate801 shots/min
Vertical guidance-10° / 80°
| 20 mm Rh202 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mode | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
| Arcade | 800 (100) | 800 | -10°/+80° | ±180° | - | 52.8 | 73.1 | 88.8 | 98.2 | 104.5 | 10.40 | 9.20 | 8.48 | 8.00 |
| Realistic | 35.7 | 42.0 | 51.0 | 56.4 | 60.0 | |||||||||
Ammunition
- Default: HVAP-T · HEFI-T
- DM51A1: HEFI-T · HEFI-T · HEFI-T · HVAP-T
- DM43: HVAP-T · HVAP-T · HVAP-T · HEFI-T
- DM63: APDS · APDS · APDS · HEFI-T
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| HVAP-T | 57 | 52 | 37 | 24 | 15 | 10 | |
| HEFI-T | 7 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 2 | |
| APDS | 66 | 61 | 45 | 31 | 21 | 14 | |
| Shell details | ||||||||||||
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| Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||||||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
| HVAP-T | 1,100 | 0.11 | - | - | - | 66° | 70° | 72° | ||||
| HEFI-T | 1,100 | 0.13 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 11.05 | 79° | 80° | 81° | ||||
| APDS | 1,150 | 0.13 | - | - | - | 75° | 78° | 80° | ||||
Ammo racks
| Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
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| 8 | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ |
Machine guns
Ammunition1 000 rounds
Belt capacity250 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate500 shots/min
| 7.62 mm M1919A4 | ||||
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| Mount | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal |
| Hull | 1,000 (250) | 500 | ±10° | ±10° |
Usage in battles
When hunting for planes, the SUB-I-II should always have some sort of cover to hide behind in case a plane retaliates. When shooting, you should also be mindful of the gun overheating and use all of the rounds in the belt as the SUB-I-II has only 800 rounds at most. If possible, try to remain near a friendly capture point to restock on ammo belts when they run out because the main cannon can shoot at 800 rpm.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- High rate of fire
- Amphibious
- Can penetrate some medium tanks from the side
Cons:
- Low survivability
- Slow speed in water
- Low ammo count
History
Development of the Type 73 APC started in 1967 as a replacement for the Type 60 APC (chassis of the Type 60 ATM). Four prototypes were made during the development, two from Mitsubishi (SUB-I-I and SUB-I-II) and two from Komatsu (SUB-II-I and SUB-II-II). The 20 mm Rh202 version got rejected at last.
Media
- Skins
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the vehicles;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| Japan anti-aircraft vehicles | |
|---|---|
| Ke-Ni Derivatives | Ta-Se · So-Ki |
| Wheeled | Type 94 |
| Tracked | SUB-I-II |
| Radar SPAAG | Type 87 |
| Missile SPAA | Type 93 · Type 81 (C) |
| USA | ▅M16 MGMC · ▅M19A1 · ▅M42 |
