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+ | == Drachinifel's Historic Naval Gun Ranking == | ||
+ | Battleship gun ranking system created by the British naval historian Alexander Clarke. It's meant to rank the real-world capabilities of various naval guns used as a primary batteries of battleships. It takes the following characteristics into account: rate of fire, weight of shell, range of the gun (as of WW2), Armor-Piercing capability (@20 000 yards), weight of the bursting charge, any special pros/cons. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Pre-1930=== | ||
+ | <div style="display: inline-block; position: relative; width: auto;"> | ||
+ | <div style="border:0 solid black; border-left-width: 1px; border-bottom-width: 1px; display: flex; align-items: flex-end; position: relative; width: auto;"> | ||
+ | <p> | ||
+ | </p> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 102px; display: flex;" title="3,3"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 117px; display: flex;" title="3,8"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 126px; display: flex;" title="4,1"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 132px; display: flex;" title="4,3"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 132px; display: flex;" title="4,3"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 148px; display: flex;" title="4,8"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 154px; display: flex;" title="5"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 169px; display: flex;" title="5,5"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 182px; display: flex;" title="5,9"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 197px; display: flex;" title="6,4"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 197px; display: flex;" title="6,4"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 200px; display: flex;" title="6,5"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="position: absolute;top: 0;right: 0;border-top:1px solid red;width: 1em;margin-right: -0.5em;"><div style="white-space: nowrap;position: absolute;top: -0.9em;left: 1.5em;">6,5/10</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style="position: absolute; top: 100%; right: 0;border-top:1px solid red;width: 1em;margin-right: -0.5em;"><div style="white-space: nowrap;position: absolute;top: -0.9em;left: 1.5em;">0</div></div> | ||
+ | </div><br> | ||
+ | <div style="display: flex; position: relative;"> | ||
+ | <p> | ||
+ | </p> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:France flag.png|25px|link=]] 30 cm/45 Model 1906-1910 (300 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USSR flag.png|25px|link=]][[12-inch/52 pattern 1907 (305 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] 12-inch/45 Mk.3/Mk.4 (305 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] 14 inch/45 Mk.1 - Mk.5 (356 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Germany flag.png|25px|link=]] 283 mm/52 SK C/28 (283 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:France flag.png|25px|link=]] 34 cm/45 Model 1912 (340 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] [[14 inch/45 Mk.8 (356 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:IJN flag.png|25px|link=]] 36 cm/45 Type 41 (356 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] 16 inch/45 Mark 1 (406 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:IJN flag.png|25px|link=]] 41 cm/45 3rd Year Type (410 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Britain flag.png|25px|link=]] [[15 inch/42 BL Mark I (381 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Britain flag.png|25px|link=]] 16 inch/45 Mark I (406 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | </div> | ||
+ | </div> | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Post-1930=== | ||
+ | <div style="display: inline-block; position: relative; width: auto;"> | ||
+ | <div style="border:0 solid black; border-left-width: 1px; border-bottom-width: 1px; display: flex; align-items: flex-end; position: relative; width: auto;"> | ||
+ | <p> | ||
+ | </p> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 65px; display: flex;" title="2,3"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 101px; display: flex;" title="3,6"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 110px; display: flex;" title="3,9"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 132px; display: flex;" title="4,7"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 132px; display: flex;" title="4,7"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 135px; display: flex;" title="4,8"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 141px; display: flex;" title="5"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 144px; display: flex;" title="5,1"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 144px; display: flex;" title="5,1"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 155px; display: flex;" title="5,5"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 166px; display: flex;" title="5,9"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="background-color: #94a4b0; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; height: 200px; display: flex;" title="7,1"></div> | ||
+ | <div style="position: absolute;top: 0;right: 0;border-top:1px solid red;width: 1em;margin-right: -0.5em;"><div style="white-space: nowrap;position: absolute;top: -0.9em;left: 1.5em;">7,1/10</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style="position: absolute; top: 100%; right: 0;border-top:1px solid red;width: 1em;margin-right: -0.5em;"><div style="white-space: nowrap;position: absolute;top: -0.9em;left: 1.5em;">0</div></div> | ||
+ | </div><br> | ||
+ | <div style="display: flex; position: relative;"> | ||
+ | <p> | ||
+ | </p> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Kingdom Italy flag.png|25px|link=]] 320 mm/46 Ansaldo model 1936 (320 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Germany flag.png|25px|link=]][[283 mm/54,5 SK C/34 (283 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] [[12-inch/50 Mark 8 (305 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Britain flag.png|25px|link=]] 14-inch/45 Mark VII (356 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Britain flag.png|25px|link=]] [[15 inch/42 BL Mark I (381 mm)]]</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:France flag.png|link=|25px]] 330 mm/50 model 1931 (330 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Kingdom Italy flag.png|link=|25px]] 381 mm/50 model 1934 (381 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:Germany flag.png|link=|25px]] 38 cm/52 SK C/34 (380 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25px]] 16-inch/45 Mark 6 (406 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:France flag.png|link=|25px]] 380 mm/45 model 1935 (380 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:USA flag.png|25px|link=]] 16-inch/50 Mark 7 (406 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | <div style=""><div style="writing-mode: vertical-rl; width: 1.5em; margin-right: 0.2em; text-align: left;">[[File:IJN flag.png|25px|link=]] 40 cm/40 Type 94 (460 mm)</div></div> | ||
+ | </div> | ||
+ | </div> | ||
+ | {{Notice | ||
+ | |Do not compare the score between pre-1930 and post-1930 guns. They are on a different scale. Each category (e.g. weight of the shell) is scored in relation to the rest of the group. Also pre-1930 scores use absolute range (which is largely a function of a turret) while post-1930 scores use a new, revised system where range is taken at the 20° gun elevation (reflecting more of a capability of the gun itself). | ||
+ | |! | ||
+ | }} |
Revision as of 18:50, 1 March 2023
This page is showing the list of the key calibres in inches into a common units and related penetration of some of the naval shells in roughly the same calibre. This table is meant to give you a rough idea of how much protection does the ship armor give at a typical combat ranges. Going by inches as a base puts some nations in a disadvantage in terms of a number of entries in the table (notably Germans).
AP
Note: A number of guns (notably Japanese) use SAP instead of AP ammunition for the same purpose, but they are not listed here. 30° @ 5000m was selected to illustrate real ranges and hit angles. While not universal (e.g. ≥12" guns rarely shoot at targets so close) it should give you a rough idea about the performance for the shells boiled down to a single number.
inch | mm official | mm SI calculated | Penetration @ 30° @ 5000m | TNT equivalent (kg) |
---|---|---|---|---|
3 | 76 | 76.2 |
30mm
37mm
|
0.06kg
0.13kg
|
4 | 102 | 101.6 | – | – |
5 | 127 | 127 |
93mm
86mm
|
0.77kg
1.30kg
|
6 | 152 | 152.4 |
100mm
177mm
|
0.80kg
1.88kg
|
8 | 203 | 203.2 |
214mm
247mm
|
1.62kg
3.16kg
|
12 | 305 | 304.8 |
275mm
419mm
|
5.66kg
18.79kg
|
14 | 356 | 355.6 |
415mm
420mm
|
11.11kg
12.21kg
|
15 | 381 | 381 |
390mm
416mm
|
20.68kg
25kg
|
HE
This list a pure HE shells, regardless of any HE-VT/HE-TF. This should give you an idea about the size of the explosive fillers in each of the calibres for when you're writing an articles about the guns or ships. Please, remember that the rate of fire and a number of guns makes a huge difference (use {{User:Jareel_Skaj/DPSGraph}} if you need to compare the pure HE DPS output).
inch | mm official | mm SI calculated | TNT equivalent (kg) |
---|---|---|---|
3 | 76 | 76.2 |
0.399kg
0.65kg
|
4 | 102 | 101.6 |
0.721kg
1.55kg
|
5 | 127 | 127 |
1.63kg
3.58kg
|
6 | 152 | 152.4 |
1.6kg
7.81kg
|
8 | 203 | 203.2 |
7.5kg
10kg
|
12 | 305 | 304.8 |
27kg
55.41kg
|
14 | 356 | 355.6 |
32.45kg
33.25kg
|
15 | 381 | 381 |
67.1kg
67.1kg
|
Battleship gun ranking system created by the British naval historian Alexander Clarke. It's meant to rank the real-world capabilities of various naval guns used as a primary batteries of battleships. It takes the following characteristics into account: rate of fire, weight of shell, range of the gun (as of WW2), Armor-Piercing capability (@20 000 yards), weight of the bursting charge, any special pros/cons.
Pre-1930
Post-1930
Do not compare the score between pre-1930 and post-1930 guns. They are on a different scale. Each category (e.g. weight of the shell) is scored in relation to the rest of the group. Also pre-1930 scores use absolute range (which is largely a function of a turret) while post-1930 scores use a new, revised system where range is taken at the 20° gun elevation (reflecting more of a capability of the gun itself). |