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Admiral Graf Spee that last and heaviest of the 3 Deutschland-class ships built, sitting somewhere between a conventional heavy cruiser and a battlecruiser. Built to a 10,000 ton displacement due to treaty restrictions, once fully equipped and loaded was well over 12,000 tons. Still, the restrictions did limit her capability, made to face only cruisers and destroyers, while keeping a large operational range. The result was that her armour was made thick enough to barely resist cruiser shells of the era. Graf Spee will not have too much trouble facing 150 mm and smaller shells.  Offensively her class was armed with six very respectable 283mm (11.1 inch) cannons in dual turrets.
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Admiral Graf Spee was the last and heaviest of the 3 Deutschland-class ships built, sitting somewhere between a conventional heavy cruiser and a battlecruiser. Built to a 10,000 ton displacement due to treaty restrictions, once fully equipped and loaded she was well over 12,000 tons. Still, the restrictions did limit her capability, made to face only cruisers and destroyers, while keeping a large operational range. The result was that her armour was made thick enough to barely resist cruiser shells of the era. Graf Spee will not have too much trouble facing 150 mm and smaller shells.
  
 
Her crew is quite limited for her size, it is highly recommended to repair only when major damages are sustained, like losing a main turret or all engines. Doing otherwise will constantly feed her AA guns with fresh crew ready to be knocked unconscious again by the next 203+ mm HE shell that comes.
 
Her crew is quite limited for her size, it is highly recommended to repair only when major damages are sustained, like losing a main turret or all engines. Doing otherwise will constantly feed her AA guns with fresh crew ready to be knocked unconscious again by the next 203+ mm HE shell that comes.
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Her 283mm (11.1 inch) cannons are effective against all targets in game, however with only 6 guns total will be outgunned, and must take a relatively large angle to fire both turrets on a target. The advantage with them is that she can hole dreadnoughts and cause significant damages, even reaching ammo racks through a dreadnought's thick armour by using AP shells. Another significant detriment is the very long reload time of 30 seconds resulting in a rather low DPS overall, and can make it hard to hit smaller targets at long ranges.
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Her 283 mm (11.1 inch) cannons are effective against all targets in-game, however with only 6 guns total will be outgunned, and must take a relatively large angle to fire both turrets on a target. The advantage with them is that she can pierce dreadnoughts and cause significant damage, even reaching ammo racks through a dreadnought's thick armour by using AP shells. Another significant detriment is the very long reload time of 30 seconds resulting in a rather low DPS overall, and can make it hard to hit smaller targets at long ranges.
  
 
=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
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Her torpedoes will often get knocked out. They are placed over the stern, and usually, first incoming shots fall a bit far, knocking them out directly. It is recommended not to apply the "torpedo mode" upgrade, as the additional range is hard to take advantage of. And her torpedoes with the modifications will go slower than most cruisers she will face, making them near useless. The best chance of use is firing into cap zones and most likely routes the enemy will take.
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Her torpedoes will often get knocked out. They are placed over the stern, and usually, first incoming shots fall a bit far, knocking them out directly. It is recommended not to apply the "torpedo mode" upgrade, as the additional range is hard to take advantage of. And her torpedoes with the modifications will go slower than most cruisers she will face, making them near useless. The best chance of use is launching into cap zones and most likely routes the enemy will take.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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Keep your distance from enemy cruisers (at least 14,000m) or use island cover. You cannot out shoot, or out gun any other cruiser in game, your main advantage is range and punch. While she can take some hits, she remains a heavy cruiser, avoid getting focused by many enemy units. The enemy will want to sink you first as they fear your 283 mm cannons, which is nearly the caliber of dreadnoughts. Speaking of, your best target are dreadnoughts, not only because you're the only cruiser out there that can hurt them, but being slow and big are easier to hit at long ranges.
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Keep your distance from enemy cruisers (at least 14,000 m) or use island cover. You cannot out-shoot, or out-gun any other cruiser in game, your main advantage is range and punch. While she can take some hits, she remains a heavy cruiser, avoid getting focused by many enemy units. The enemy will want to sink you first as they fear your 283 mm cannons, which is nearly the calibre of dreadnoughts. Your best target are dreadnoughts, not only because you're the only cruiser out there that can hurt them, but being slow and big are easier to hit at long ranges.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Wide range of guns calibre to face all threats
 
* Wide range of guns calibre to face all threats
* large 283 mm main guns will damage dreadnoughts
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* Large 283 mm main guns can damage dreadnoughts
 
* Good AA suite to 1939's standards (outclassed by late WW2 AA cruisers)
 
* Good AA suite to 1939's standards (outclassed by late WW2 AA cruisers)
* A little shorter than many ships of her size, a little harder to target.
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* A little shorter than many ships of her size, a little harder to target
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
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* Rather large target for enemy bombs and torpedoes
 
* Rather large target for enemy bombs and torpedoes
 
* 283 mm cannons have a long reload time of 30 sec
 
* 283 mm cannons have a long reload time of 30 sec
* Vulnerable to enemy cruiser's AP shells, especially at closer ranges.
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* Vulnerable to enemy cruiser's AP shells, especially at closer ranges
* Very distinctive silhouette, easy to identify and become a prime target.
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* Very distinctive silhouette, easy to identify and become a prime target
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 11:14, 31 January 2021

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Admiral Graf Spee
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Admiral Graf Spee
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Description

The Deutschland-class, Admiral Graf Spee, 1939 is a rank IV German heavy cruiser with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.95 "Northern Wind".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Citadel100 / 100 / 30 mm
Main fire tower140 / 80 / 170 mm
Hull25 mm (steel)
Superstructure8 mm (steel)
Number of section8
Displacement16 320 t
Crew1 175 people

Admiral Graf Spee was the last and heaviest of the 3 Deutschland-class ships built, sitting somewhere between a conventional heavy cruiser and a battlecruiser. Built to a 10,000 ton displacement due to treaty restrictions, once fully equipped and loaded she was well over 12,000 tons. Still, the restrictions did limit her capability, made to face only cruisers and destroyers, while keeping a large operational range. The result was that her armour was made thick enough to barely resist cruiser shells of the era. Graf Spee will not have too much trouble facing 150 mm and smaller shells.

Her crew is quite limited for her size, it is highly recommended to repair only when major damages are sustained, like losing a main turret or all engines. Doing otherwise will constantly feed her AA guns with fresh crew ready to be knocked unconscious again by the next 203+ mm HE shell that comes.

It is worth noting that her torpedo bulge can stop torpedoes up to 250 kg of TNT equivalent. This will save you from most early PT boat's torpedoes, and many aircraft-launched torpedoes. Against aircraft attacks, she has sufficient AA to defend herself, but with the lack of variable time fuse and radar aiming, some planes will pass her defences.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB62 / 25 km/h
RB53 / 22 km/h

Her mobility for her BR is sub par. Many other heavy cruisers will cruise over 60 km/h, whereas she will barely manage over 50 km/h. She is vulnerable to torpedoes.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 62 25
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 53 22

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB11 390 → 15 433 Sl icon.png
RB11 287 → 15 293 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications92 900 Rp icon.png
155 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 800 Ge icon.png
Crew training90 000 Sl icon.png
Experts310 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 200 Ge icon.png
Research Aces570 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
450 / 600 / 100 % Sl icon.png
178 / 178 / 178 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
Research:
3 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
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Rudder Replacement
Research:
4 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Propeller Replacement
Research:
3 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 500 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Engine Maintenance
Research:
6 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
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Damage Control Division
Research:
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Cost:
6 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
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Fire Division
Research:
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Cost:
7 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Smokescreen
Research:
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Cost:
7 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Shrapnel Protection
Research:
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Cost:
6 500 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Ventilation
Research:
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Cost:
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240 Ge icon.png
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New Pumps
Research:
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Cost:
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370 Ge icon.png
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Ammo Wetting
Research:
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Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
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Anti-Air Armament Targeting
Research:
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Cost:
6 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
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280mm_ger_skc28_pzgr_navy_apc_ammo_pack
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150mm_ger_c36_naval_he_base_fuse_ammo_pack
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Cost:
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
4 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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280mm_ger_skc28_spgr_bdz_navy_sap_ammo_pack
Research:
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Cost:
7 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
3 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 500 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Improved Rangefinder
Research:
3 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 500 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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150mm_ger_c36_naval_apc_ammo_pack
Research:
3 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 500 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Torpedo Mode
Research:
6 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
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Hydroplane
Research:
6 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

2 х Turret3 x 283 mm/52 SK C/28 cannon
Ammunition360 rounds
Vertical guidance-10° / 40°

Her 283 mm (11.1 inch) cannons are effective against all targets in-game, however with only 6 guns total will be outgunned, and must take a relatively large angle to fire both turrets on a target. The advantage with them is that she can pierce dreadnoughts and cause significant damage, even reaching ammo racks through a dreadnought's thick armour by using AP shells. Another significant detriment is the very long reload time of 30 seconds resulting in a rather low DPS overall, and can make it hard to hit smaller targets at long ranges.

Secondary armament

8 х Turret15 cm/55 SK C/28 cannon
Ammunition200 rounds

Her secondary armament consists of eight 150 mm single turrets, four on each side. These are very handy should your main turret get knocked out. They're also good against PT boats due to their much better reload time.

Anti-aircraft armament

3 х Turret2 x 10.5 cm/60 SK C/33 AA cannon
Ammunition840 rounds
4 х Turret2 x 3.7 cm SK C/30 mounting
Ammunition4000 rounds
14 х Turret2 cm/65 C/30 automatic cannon
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity20 rounds
Fire rate276 shots/min

Her AA suite is somewhat decent for a 1939 ship. The 105 mm cannons only have access to HE-TF ammunition, making it rather difficult to accurately shoot down aircraft, especially at the longer ranges where the other armaments are ineffective. However, the 37 mm and 20 mm cannons are enough to knock out even large aircraft at closer ranges. The lack of HE-VT is very noticeable, aircraft may still penetrate her AA fire to drop their ordnance.

Additional armament

Setup 18 x 533 mm G7a torpedo
Main article: G7a (533 mm)

Her torpedoes will often get knocked out. They are placed over the stern, and usually, first incoming shots fall a bit far, knocking them out directly. It is recommended not to apply the "torpedo mode" upgrade, as the additional range is hard to take advantage of. And her torpedoes with the modifications will go slower than most cruisers she will face, making them near useless. The best chance of use is launching into cap zones and most likely routes the enemy will take.

Usage in battles

Keep your distance from enemy cruisers (at least 14,000 m) or use island cover. You cannot out-shoot, or out-gun any other cruiser in game, your main advantage is range and punch. While she can take some hits, she remains a heavy cruiser, avoid getting focused by many enemy units. The enemy will want to sink you first as they fear your 283 mm cannons, which is nearly the calibre of dreadnoughts. Your best target are dreadnoughts, not only because you're the only cruiser out there that can hurt them, but being slow and big are easier to hit at long ranges.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Wide range of guns calibre to face all threats
  • Large 283 mm main guns can damage dreadnoughts
  • Good AA suite to 1939's standards (outclassed by late WW2 AA cruisers)
  • A little shorter than many ships of her size, a little harder to target

Cons:

  • Rather large target for enemy bombs and torpedoes
  • 283 mm cannons have a long reload time of 30 sec
  • Vulnerable to enemy cruiser's AP shells, especially at closer ranges
  • Very distinctive silhouette, easy to identify and become a prime target

History

The Admiral Graf Spee in 1936.

The Admiral Graf Spee was a ship of the Deutschland class, a series of 10-thousand ton cruisers built to the limitations of the Treaty of Versailles. Despite her small tonnage, the Graf Spee was armed with six 11-inch (283 mm) main guns in two triple turrets, a much more powerful armament than its allied counterparts. As a result, the ships of the Deutschland class were nicknamed "Pocket Battleships" by the UK, and "Panzerschiff" (armoured ship) within the Kriegsmarine.[1] The ship conducted several patrols near Spain during the Spanish Civil War, and participated in the Coronation Review of King George VI. The ship was responsible for the sinking of 9 merchant vessels during the first months of the Second World War, before being intercepted by a task force of the British Navy at the River Plate. Having caused extensive damage to her pursuers but damaged herself, the Graf Spee was scuttled in the mouth of the River Plate on December 17th 1939.[2]

Design and construction

Following Germany's defeat in the First World War and the Treaty of Versailles, the Kriegsmarine was limited to a force of pre-dreadnought battleships and cruisers, with a 10-thousand tonne limit on new vessels. In the early 1920s, the German naval ministry started working on a new design of ships that could replace its ageing pre-dreadnoughts. Initially, designs included a slow, heavily armed "monitor"-type vessel, as well as a faster "heavy-cruiser" type design. Following several years of changes, a final design was adopted featuring six 283 mm guns in two 3-gun turrets.[3] Despite some initial opposition from the victorious powers (the United Kingdom, United States and France), the ships were allowed to be built as they did not violate the Treaty of Versailles.

The new Deutschland-class ships were named "Panzerschiffs", or "Armoured Ships". However, they would soon become known as the "Pocket Battleship". Though they were of similar size to their counterparts (like the British County-class cruisers), the ships carried a much more powerful armament and had greater armour protection.[3] The vessels displaced between 11,500 and 12,500 tonnes (though it was stated in public that they were 10-thousand tonnes only) standard, and up to 16,000 tonnes full load.[1] Armament consisted of six 11-inch guns in two triple turrets, as well as a secondary armament of eight 5.9-inch guns in single turrets.[1] The ship was capable of making 26 knots (48 km/h) and had a main armour belt of 100 mm thickness.[1]

Three Deutschland-class ships were built: Deutschland (later Lutzow), Admiral Scheer, and Admiral Graf Spee. The Graf Spee was ordered as Panzerschiff C and was laid down in 1932.[3] It replaced the old pre-dreadnought Braunschweig and was named after Admiral Maximilian von Spee.[3] The ship was launched in 1934, and was christened by the daughter of Von Spee. The ship was formally commissioned into the German Fleet on January 6th, 1936.[3]

Service history

The Graf Spee at Spithead for King George VI's Coronation Review. HMS Resolution and HMS Hood can be seen in the background.

Following its commissioning, the ship became the flagship of the German fleet. The ship participated in several non-intervention patrols off of the coast of Spain, and later represented Germany at King George VI's Coronation Review. The vessel also participated in several goodwill visits during the period of 1936-1938.[3]

Prior to the start of the Second World War, the Graf Spee sailed into the Southern Atlantic to be in the best position for commerce raiding. On September 26th 1939, the Graf Spee was ordered to commence raiding against allied merchantmen in the southern Atlantic. Four days later, the cruiser located and captured the TSS Clement,[4] which was sunk using gunfire and torpedoes. As a result, a formidable task force was put together to locate and destroy the Spee; this consisted of the carriers HMS Hermes, Eagle, Ark Royal, and Bearn (of the French navy), the battleships Dunkerque, Strasbourg (both of the French Navy), and HMS Renown, as well as 16 cruisers.[3]

The task force initially failed to locate the Spee, allowing her to destroy eight more merchantmen. This brought her total tonnage destroyed to 50,089 tonnes. However, the last Merchantmen was able to signal the Spee's location to the Allies - as a result, the cruisers HMS Exeter, Ajax, and Achilles were sent to intercept the ship.[4]

Battle of the River Plate and Scuttling

On the morning of December 5th 1939, a ship was sighted across the Graf Spee's starboard bow. This was the cruiser Exeter, actively searching for the Spee.[2] The Graf Spee proceeded to close in and open fire, while the British cruisers immediately returned fire with their main batteries. In the span of a few hours, the Graf Spee was able to inflict heavy damage on all three cruisers, especially the Exeter, who received extensive damage: all four of her main battery turrets were knocked out, as well as the bridge and torpedo tubes.[4] Having been hit with numerous 11-inch shells, the ship was burning and developed a list due to extensive flooding. However, a strong defence was put up by cruisers Ajax and Achilles, allowing the crippled cruiser to make it to the Falkland Islands for repairs.

Nonetheless, the British cruisers succeeded in crippling the Graf Spee - a single 8-inch shell from Exeter hit the engine compartment and disabled the ship's diesel cleaning system. As a result, the ship had just 16 hours of ready fuel, eliminating her chances of returning home.[3] Shadowed by Achilles and Ajax, the damaged Graf Spee docked at the neutral port of Montevideo to conduct repairs, repatriate prisoners, and obtain medical attention for injured crewmembers. However, because of the neutrality agreements of the Hague Convention, the ship was only able to dock for 72 hours. During this time, Allied intelligence tricked the Germans into thinking that a superior Allied force was located outside the bay, including the battlecruiser Renown and carrier Ark Royal.[3] In fact, only the heavy cruiser HMS Cumberland had arrived, as the reinforcement force would not be able to arrive for another week.[3]

The deceiving news of British reinforcements was a fatal blow to the Graf Spee. After considering their options and discussing with the high command in Germany, the decision was made to scuttle the ship, as the Graf Spee's damage and insufficient ammunition would prevent her from breaking out.[2] On December 17th, the Graf Spee was scuttled in the River Plate estuary. Three days later, her captain committed suicide in full uniform over the Graf Spee's battle ensign.[2] The remainder of the crew were interned in Uruguay for the duration of the war, while the ship was partially broken up on site between 1942 and 1943.

Media

See also

Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

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External links

References

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Military Wiki (2020)
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Tikannen, A (2020)
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 3.8 3.9 Hickman, K (2019)
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 McGibbon, I (2014)

Bibliography

  • Wiki Team. (2020). German cruiser Admiral Graf Spee. Retrieved November 13, 2020. Website
  • Tikannen, A. (2020). Graf Spee. Retrieved November 13, 2020. Website
  • Hickman, K. (2019, October 2). Pocket Battleship: Admiral Graf Spee. Retrieved November 13, 2020. Website
  • McGibbon, I. (2014, November 27). Battle of the River Plate. Retrieved November 13, 2020. Website


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