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== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian bomber {{Battle-rating|5}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]].
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The Piaggio P.108B Serie 2 is a typical heavy bomber. It should always avoid enemy fighter aircraft if possible, the Piaggio P.108B Serie 2 is a massive plane and it does not like taking hits especially in the wings where the plane carries its massive fuel load. If a enemy plane is going to attack you, do not go head on as you have no gunners or any guns at all at the front of the plane. Always give them your tail so your gunners can shoot at them.
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When using this plane as a bomber the payloads which should never be used are the 34 x 50 kg bombs, 7 x 250 kg bombs and the 2 x F200/450 torpedoes. The other payloads 34 x 100 kg bombs and 7 x 500 kg bombs are far heavier (34 x 50 kg equals 1,700 kg, 34 x 100 kg equals 3,400 kg, 7 x 250 kg equals 1,750 kg, 7 x 500 kg equals 3,500 kg). The 2 x F200/450 torpedoes should not be used as you have access to the 3 F200/450 torpedoes. All in all the three recommended payloads to be used in general are 34 x 100 kg bombs, 7 x 500 kg bombs, and the 3 F200/450 torpedoes.
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The P.108B Serie 2 is a heavy bomber with a heavy bomb load and relatively weak defensive armament. When delivering the bombs to the targets, high altitudes are a must. The preferred targets of this bomber are stationary objects like pillboxes or slow moving vehicles such as ships (if you can time it well) and of course the bomb targets and airfields. Should an enemy fighter catch up with you, it is certain doom as your defensive guns have a low chance to kill it. To survive attacks, use your gunners to ward off the enemy aircraft until help comes. Stay away from combat as much as you can and do your job as a bomber.
  
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The P.108B Serie 2 maybe a striking plane visually but it does come with combat limitations. The Aircraft is slow and poorly armed. You will need to plan a course around the map to try and avoid enemy fighters as much as possible. Keeping your altitude high and turns to a minimum will help your survivability. It is always helpful to have a fighter or two fly escort as well.
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight Performance ===
 
=== Flight Performance ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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|-
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 3,900 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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|-
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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|-
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| 421 || 414 || 9,000 || 37.8 || 38.6 || 1.5 || 2.4 || 750
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|-
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! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 3,900 m)
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
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|-
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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|-
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| 469 || 445 || 9,000 || 34.3 || 36.0 || 8.3 || 4.2 || 750
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|-
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|}
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====Details====
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | Features
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|-
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! Combat flap
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! Take-off flap
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! Landing flap
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! Air brakes
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! Arrestor gear
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|-
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | Limits
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="2" | Max Static G
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|-
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! +
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! -
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|-
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| ??? || ??? || ??? || ~?? || ~?
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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|-
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
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|-
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| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|-
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Setting 3
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|- -->
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|}
  
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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* No armour plating
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* No armour glazing
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* Critical components located at front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
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* More fuel tanks located in wings near fuselage
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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* 4 x 7.5 mm [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]] machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
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The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted on the underside of the upper wing. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty.-->
 
=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;''Main article:&nbsp;'''[[:Category:Suspended armaments|Bombs]], [[:Category:Suspended armaments|Torpedoes]]'''''
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordinance:
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* 34 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (1,700 kg total)
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* 34 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (3.400 kg total)
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* 2 x 45 cm F200/450 torpedoes
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* 3 x 45 cm F200/450 torpedoes
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* 7 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs (1,750 kg total)
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* 7 x 500 kg GP 500 bombs (3,500 kg total)
  
 
=== Defensive armament ===
 
=== Defensive armament ===
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{{main|Breda-SAFAT da 12.7 mm (12.7 mm)}}
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
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* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x wing turret (300 rpg = 600 total)
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* 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (400 rpg)
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* 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x beam turret (400 rpg)
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* 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, ventral turret (450 rpg)
  
 
== Usage in the battles ==
 
== Usage in the battles ==
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===Manual Engine Control===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Mixer
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! rowspan="2" |Pitch
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! colspan="3" |Radiator
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! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
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|-
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! Oil
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! Water
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! Type
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|-
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| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not ontrollable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
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|-
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|}
  
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===Modules===
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{| class="wikitable"
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!colspan = "1"| Tier
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!colspan = "2"| Flight performance
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!colspan = "1"| Survivability
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!colspan = "2"| Weaponry
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|-
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| I
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| Fuselage Repair
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| Radiator
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|
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|
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|-
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| II
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|
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| Compressor
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| Airframe
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|
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|-
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| III
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| Wings Repair
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| Engine
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|
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|
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|-
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| IV
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|
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| Engine Injection
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| Cover
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|
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|-
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|}
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# The first upgrade on this plane you should get is the MCSAP100 for access to the 100kg bombs. Afterwards you should get the radiator next and the 7.7 mm belts. Get the Fuselage repair last.
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# At the 2nd tier modification, the torpedo is a must if you want to get the better bombs. Afterwards focus on getting the air frame (for better durability), and compressor (for better performance) and for last get the new 7.7 turret.
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# Third tier modification, the 12.7 turret belts is a must for defensive firepower, afterwards the engine modification, then the wings repair, and finally the MCGP250KG.
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# Fourth Tier modification, get the MCRO500 which is the best bombs you can use, then the Engine Injection and new 12.7mm turrets and finally the cover.
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* 2 turrets are placed on the distant engines allowing for more guns to face backwards
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* Heavy payload available
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* One of two planes (the other being the P.108B Serie 1) in game that can carry 3 torpedoes
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* As compared to the previous P.108B (the Serie 1) this one has fully armored seats for the pilots as well as armored plates for the wing gunners control positions
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* Extremely cheap repair costs (compared to other tier 4 bombers)
  
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'''Cons:'''
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'''Cons'''
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* Gunners are bunched together and easily knocked out
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* Turrets on the engines cannot face forwards
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* Poor manoeuverability and climb rate
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* No nose mounted gun, susceptible to frontal attack/head-ons
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* Prone to fuel tank fire due to tremendous fuel load
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* Massive size
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* Relatively weak defensive firepower
  
 
== History ==
 
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* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
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== Sources ==
 
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{{Italian bombers}}

Revision as of 12:22, 12 December 2018

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P.108B serie 2
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P.108B serie 2
Italy flag.png Italy
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.0 3.7 3.7
Class:
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Msg-info.png This page is about the aircraft P.108B serie 2. For other uses, see P.108 (Disambiguation)

Description

GarageImage P.108B serie 2.jpg


The P.108B serie 2 is a Rank III Italian bomber with a battle rating of 4.0 (AB) and 3.7 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica".

The Piaggio P.108B Serie 2 is a typical heavy bomber. It should always avoid enemy fighter aircraft if possible, the Piaggio P.108B Serie 2 is a massive plane and it does not like taking hits especially in the wings where the plane carries its massive fuel load. If a enemy plane is going to attack you, do not go head on as you have no gunners or any guns at all at the front of the plane. Always give them your tail so your gunners can shoot at them.

When using this plane as a bomber the payloads which should never be used are the 34 x 50 kg bombs, 7 x 250 kg bombs and the 2 x F200/450 torpedoes. The other payloads 34 x 100 kg bombs and 7 x 500 kg bombs are far heavier (34 x 50 kg equals 1,700 kg, 34 x 100 kg equals 3,400 kg, 7 x 250 kg equals 1,750 kg, 7 x 500 kg equals 3,500 kg). The 2 x F200/450 torpedoes should not be used as you have access to the 3 F200/450 torpedoes. All in all the three recommended payloads to be used in general are 34 x 100 kg bombs, 7 x 500 kg bombs, and the 3 F200/450 torpedoes.

The P.108B Serie 2 is a heavy bomber with a heavy bomb load and relatively weak defensive armament. When delivering the bombs to the targets, high altitudes are a must. The preferred targets of this bomber are stationary objects like pillboxes or slow moving vehicles such as ships (if you can time it well) and of course the bomb targets and airfields. Should an enemy fighter catch up with you, it is certain doom as your defensive guns have a low chance to kill it. To survive attacks, use your gunners to ward off the enemy aircraft until help comes. Stay away from combat as much as you can and do your job as a bomber.

The P.108B Serie 2 maybe a striking plane visually but it does come with combat limitations. The Aircraft is slow and poorly armed. You will need to plan a course around the map to try and avoid enemy fighters as much as possible. Keeping your altitude high and turns to a minimum will help your survivability. It is always helpful to have a fighter or two fly escort as well.

General info

Flight Performance

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 3,900 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
421 414 9,000 37.8 38.6 1.5 2.4 750
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 3,900 m) 		Max altitude (meters) Turn time (seconds) Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run (meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
469 445 9,000 34.3 36.0 8.3 4.2 750

Details

Features
Combat flap Take-off flap Landing flap Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h) 		Gear limit
(km/h) 		Combat flap
(km/h) 		Max Static G
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 ???  ???  ??? ~?? ~?
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h) 		Rudder
(km/h) 		Elevators
(km/h) 		Radiator
(km/h)
< ??? < ??? < ??? > ???
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
 ?,??? m  ??? hp  ?,??? hp

Survivability and armour

  • No armour plating
  • No armour glazing
  • Critical components located at front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
  • More fuel tanks located in wings near fuselage

Armaments

Suspended armament

      Main article: Bombs, Torpedoes

The P.108B serie 2 can be outfitted with the following ordinance:

  • 34 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (1,700 kg total)
  • 34 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (3.400 kg total)
  • 2 x 45 cm F200/450 torpedoes
  • 3 x 45 cm F200/450 torpedoes
  • 7 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs (1,750 kg total)
  • 7 x 500 kg GP 500 bombs (3,500 kg total)

Defensive armament

Main article: Breda-SAFAT da 12.7 mm (12.7 mm)

The P.108B serie 2 is defended by:

  • 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x wing turret (300 rpg = 600 total)
  • 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (400 rpg)
  • 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x beam turret (400 rpg)
  • 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, ventral turret (450 rpg)

Usage in the battles

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Not controllable Not controllable Not controllable Separate Not ontrollable Not controllable

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage Repair Radiator
II Compressor Airframe
III Wings Repair Engine
IV Engine Injection Cover
  1. The first upgrade on this plane you should get is the MCSAP100 for access to the 100kg bombs. Afterwards you should get the radiator next and the 7.7 mm belts. Get the Fuselage repair last.
  2. At the 2nd tier modification, the torpedo is a must if you want to get the better bombs. Afterwards focus on getting the air frame (for better durability), and compressor (for better performance) and for last get the new 7.7 turret.
  3. Third tier modification, the 12.7 turret belts is a must for defensive firepower, afterwards the engine modification, then the wings repair, and finally the MCGP250KG.
  4. Fourth Tier modification, get the MCRO500 which is the best bombs you can use, then the Engine Injection and new 12.7mm turrets and finally the cover.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 2 turrets are placed on the distant engines allowing for more guns to face backwards
  • Heavy payload available
  • One of two planes (the other being the P.108B Serie 1) in game that can carry 3 torpedoes
  • As compared to the previous P.108B (the Serie 1) this one has fully armored seats for the pilots as well as armored plates for the wing gunners control positions
  • Extremely cheap repair costs (compared to other tier 4 bombers)

Cons

  • Gunners are bunched together and easily knocked out
  • Turrets on the engines cannot face forwards
  • Poor manoeuverability and climb rate
  • No nose mounted gun, susceptible to frontal attack/head-ons
  • Prone to fuel tank fire due to tremendous fuel load
  • Massive size
  • Relatively weak defensive firepower

History

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Media

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Read also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

Sources

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  • page on aircraft encyclopedia;
  • other literature.


Italy bombers
Fiat  B.R.20DR · B.R.20M M1
Savoia-Marchetti  S.81 · S.M.79 serie 1 · S.M.79 B · S.M.79 serie 8 · S.M.79 AS · S.M.79 bis/T.M
CANT  Z.1007 bis serie 3 · Z.1007 bis serie 5
Piaggio  P.108B serie 1 · P.108B serie 2
  Foreign:
Germany  ▄Ju 87 R-2 · ▄Ju 87 D-3
Hungary  ◔Tu-2S-59

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