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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was developed in the mid-1930s as a heavy fighter with a range of 2,000 km, capable of fast interception against enemy bombers and fighters at high altitude. For the time it was seen as revolutionary; multiple records were set with the prototype Ba.88, thus it was a very promising design. It was amazingly fast for its time, and was used as an air racer too. However after being deployed, the aircraft performed much more poorly due to the added weight of navigation equipment, weapons, and other systems, so it never saw use as a heavy fighter/interceptor.
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The '''Breda Ba.88 (P.XI)''' ''"Lince"'' (Ital. Lynx) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian attacker {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]].<br>
 
  
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Being developed in the mid-'30s the design goal was alike to many other bombers of the period: Use the bigger frame to mount even bigger engines to outrun any fighter. Setting up multiple records the ''Prototype'' Ba.88 exceeded its expectations.<br>
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Introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' works as an interceptor, with a decent firepower. However, it does have a few issues; in a straight line, it has a good top speed, especially when compared to the biplanes around its BR, but the aircraft is not well suited for high altitude combat due to the poor rate of climb. It comes with a very standard armament for an interceptor, three 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns that have a good rate of fire and range. Since the flight performance is not the most optimal, the vehicle should use its good top speed to its advantage, being mainly a support fighter. A good idea is to stay away from the centre of combat and pick off slow enemies or help teammates stuck in a dogfight. Dogfights with this aircraft are not recommended since it is a very heavy target and lacks the agility to outperform most aircraft in a fight.
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But unfortunately, the prototype is NOT the final aircraft the Italian air force ended up with and NOT the version found in War Thunder. For the crucial mistake came when it was time to mount military instruments, self-sealing fuel tanks, weapon pylons, a second pilot, and armament consisting of guns, bullets and bombs. The additional weight from all this hardware turned the Lince effectively into a brick and a less-effective flying one at that. In fact in comparison, the same ranked [[S.M.79 serie 1|SM 79 ''Sparviero'' medium bomber]] is overall a better [[:Category:Attackers|attacker]] than the Breda. While the high weight and streamlined fuselage of the aircraft typically lend this type of aircraft to Boom & Zoom, getting to this point is a chore. Fortunately, the Breda 88 is so low tiered that it will indeed often face slower fighter craft. At the very least the Ba.88's three nose-mounted heavy machine guns are decent with plenty of ammo.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
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With all of the additional necessary gear and equipment added to the first production series after the prototype, the Breda 88 is hopelessly overloaded (137 kg/m² wing-load) and drains any advantage the streamlined design and strong engines grant. In fact on first glance the Lince appears to be quite responsive, featuring late control lock-up speeds and decent roll-rate once spinning. But in this lies the crux of the matter. The aircraft is too heavy, any maneuver pulled must change the momentum of the aircraft, hence any steering and course correction is linked to a loss in speed and/or altitude to compensate. It bleeds speed everywhere thus seriously hampering its ability to Boom & Zoom effectively which one would think the Breda is destined for. Crawling to its ground-level top speed of 410 km/h IAS Boom & Run tactics might work against biplanes...<br>
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With all of the additional necessary gear and equipment added to the first production series after the prototype, the Breda 88 is hopelessly overloaded (137 kg/m² wing-load) and drains any advantage the streamlined design and strong engines grant. In fact on first glance the Lince appears to be quite responsive, featuring late control lock-up speeds and decent roll-rate once spinning. But in this lies the crux of the matter. The aircraft is too heavy, any manoeuvre pulled must change the momentum of the aircraft, hence any steering and course correction is linked to a loss in speed and/or altitude to compensate. It bleeds speed everywhere thus seriously hampering its ability to Boom & Zoom effectively which one would think the Breda is destined for. Crawling to its ground-level top speed of 410 km/h IAS Boom & Run tactics might work against biplanes.
  
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Take off ''on empty'' is @ 150 km/h IAS (136 f/s) in 18 s, attempting an Immelmann at top speed will cause the aircraft to stall at its zenith and a Split-S should only be performed with +500 m (1,650 ft) to spare or else impact with the ground will be a given. When attempting to gain altitude, climbing should be done at ~10° when loaded and @ 12° when empty. These data points were not copied from an Italian medium bomber, but rather are a show of inferiority compared to any other attacker at its battle rating. On the bright side, the difference between full and empty payload is minuscule.
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Take off on empty is @ 150 km/h IAS (136 f/s) in 18 s, attempting an Immelmann at top speed will cause the aircraft to stall at its zenith and a Split-S should only be performed with +500 m (1,650 ft.) to spare or else impact with the ground will be a given. When attempting to gain altitude, climbing should be done at ~10° when loaded and @ 12° when empty. These data points were not copied from an Italian medium bomber, but rather are a show of inferiority compared to any other attacker at its battle rating. On the bright side, the difference between full and empty payload is minuscule.
  
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
 
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,600 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,600 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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| 476 || 463 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 30.9 || 6 || 5.9 || 730
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! Stock
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| 476 || 462 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 30.9 || 6.0 || 5.9 || rowspan="2" | 730
 
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| 504 || 490 || 28.1 || 29.0 || 9.3 || 7.6
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,600 m)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
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| 504 || 490 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.1 || 29.0 || 9.3 || 7.6 || 730
 
 
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==== Details ====
 
==== Details ====
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! colspan="5" | Features
 
! colspan="5" | Features
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps<br>(km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 425 || ~9 || ~5
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 388 || 283 || ~9 || ~5
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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| < 360 || < 320 || < 400 || > 200
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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Designed to outrun any interceptors, the designers at Breda opted to forego any kind of armour protection. A shame that the Lince ''cannot'' do that. While the central fuselage tank may shield from a few pursuit shots, any frontal attacks are very likely to take out the entire crew in a single burst. This aircraft lacks in manoeuvrability leading to an overall short service life both in real life and game. Though the radial engines are rather resilient, not that it improves the survivability much.
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Designed to outrun any interceptors, the designers at Breda opted to forego any kind of armour protection. A shame that the Lince cannot do that. While the central fuselage tank may shield from a few pursuit shots, any frontal attacks are very likely to take out the entire crew in a single burst. This aircraft lacks in manoeuvrability leading to an overall short service life both in real life and game. Though the radial engines are rather resilient, not that it improves the survivability much.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)}}
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=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 
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{{main|GP 50 (50 kg)|GP 100 (100 kg)}}
 
{{main|GP 50 (50 kg)|GP 100 (100 kg)}}
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In Realistic and Simulator battles the outer bomb pair drops first with a second drop available for the central third bomb. Due to the aircraft's slow change of momentum, any dive bombing attempt below 600 m (2,000 ft) may result in unplanned self-destruction. Unfortunately, no bombsight with this attacker is available, nor does it feature a floor window for target acquisition. The plane's handling hardly changes with the payloads so the triple 100 kg one is always recommended.
 
In Realistic and Simulator battles the outer bomb pair drops first with a second drop available for the central third bomb. Due to the aircraft's slow change of momentum, any dive bombing attempt below 600 m (2,000 ft) may result in unplanned self-destruction. Unfortunately, no bombsight with this attacker is available, nor does it feature a floor window for target acquisition. The plane's handling hardly changes with the payloads so the triple 100 kg one is always recommended.
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
=== Defensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}
 
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{{main|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}
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* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg)
 
* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg)
  
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Exists for the moral support of the pilot and may under lucky circumstances even grant a downed aircraft. The lower rate of fire and limited fire arc do not help it, though.
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Provides rear cover from enemy fighters which will try to knock you out. The 7.7 mm has a limited firing arc. However, controlling the aircraft allows it to be compensated for. It is best to aim for the engine and fight deck of the enemy fighter to knock it out.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets, for aerial manoeuvres it simply lacks the grace or flying ability necessary. Yet even ground strafing can be difficult due to sluggishness and even deadly as the pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible, as any enemy that engages on its own accords may prove to be fatal. Also note the Ba.88 can carry bombs but does not have air brakes or bombsights, so one must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.<br>
 
The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets, for aerial manoeuvres it simply lacks the grace or flying ability necessary. Yet even ground strafing can be difficult due to sluggishness and even deadly as the pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible, as any enemy that engages on its own accords may prove to be fatal. Also note the Ba.88 can carry bombs but does not have air brakes or bombsights, so one must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.<br>
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| Controllable || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable<br>1 gear || Not controllable
 
| Controllable || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable<br>1 gear || Not controllable
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* Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum)
 
* Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum)
 
* Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks
 
* Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks
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* Payloads have almost no performance penalty
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* Payloads are useful for attacking light tanks, artillery, AAA, and vehicles such as armoured cars
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Flying brick of an attacker
 
* Flying brick of an attacker
 
** Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb, top speed and anything really
 
** Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb, top speed and anything really
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** Will get absolutely murdered in a turn fight
 
* Lack of any armour for protection
 
* Lack of any armour for protection
 
* Plane is prone to pilot snipe
 
* Plane is prone to pilot snipe
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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The Breda Ba.88 was an Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin-engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation, it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines capable of 1,000 hp each, setting several new world speed records in 1937, with speeds in the 550 km/h range. By 1938-39 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired in 1941 with only 149 made, after only brief service in Libya in the summer of 1940. The plane was found to perform much more poorly with an operational bombload and unsuitable for the designated role of heavy fighter/assault.
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The Breda Ba.88 was an Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin-engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2,000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation, it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines capable of 1,000 hp each, setting several new world speed records in 1937, with speeds in the 550 km/h range. By 1938-39 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired in 1941 with only 149 made, after only brief service in Libya in the summer of 1940. The plane was found to perform much more poorly with an operational bombload and unsuitable for the designated role of heavy fighter/assault.
  
 
== Media ==
 
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=breda_88 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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{{Youtube-gallery|ry8QOqpVzFs|'''"War Thunder Realistic: Breda 88 (P.XI) <nowiki>[</nowiki>Fun Times<nowiki>]</nowiki>"''' by ''Jengar''|yVnlvK4kcJI|'''"Breda Ba.88 - <<The Sky Police!>>"''' by ''Bo Time Gaming''}}
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/714836/en/ Skin: Semi-historical  7° Stormo camouflage - by ''_IronSun_'']
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{{Youtube-gallery|ry8QOqpVzFs|'''Realistic: Breda 88 (P.XI) [Fun Times]''' - ''Jengar''|yVnlvK4kcJI|'''Breda Ba.88 - The Sky Police!''' - ''Bo Time Gaming''}}
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/718856/en/ Skin: Fictional Navy camouflage - ''_IronSun_'']
 
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
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* [[Do 17 Z-7]]
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* [[Yak-2 KABB]]
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* [[J1N1]]
 
* [[Ba.65 (K.14) L]]
 
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* [[Br.693AB2]]
 
* [[Br.693AB2]]
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== External links ==
 
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/363495-breda-ba88-lince/ <nowiki>[</nowiki>WT Forum<nowiki>]</nowiki> Breda Ba.88 discussion thread]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/364960-breda-88-pxi/ <nowiki>[</nowiki>WT Forum<nowiki>]</nowiki> Breda Ba.88 Flight Model thread]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/363495-breda-ba88-lince/ Breda Ba.88 discussion thread]
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* [[wikipedia:Breda_Ba.88|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Breda Ba.88]]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/364960-breda-88-pxi/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4696-development-ba-88-lince-a-wild-spirit-en <nowiki>[</nowiki>WT Mainpage<nowiki>]</nowiki> Development announcement: ''"Breda Ba.88 Lince: A Wild Spirit"'']
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* [[wikipedia:Breda_Ba.88|[Wikipedia] Breda Ba.88]]
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* [[wt:en/news/4696-development-ba-88-lince-a-wild-spirit-en|[Devblog] Breda Ba.88 Lince: A Wild Spirit]]
  
 
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Breda 88 (P.XI)
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Breda 88 (P.XI)
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Description

The Breda 88 (P.XI) was developed in the mid-1930s as a heavy fighter with a range of 2,000 km, capable of fast interception against enemy bombers and fighters at high altitude. For the time it was seen as revolutionary; multiple records were set with the prototype Ba.88, thus it was a very promising design. It was amazingly fast for its time, and was used as an air racer too. However after being deployed, the aircraft performed much more poorly due to the added weight of navigation equipment, weapons, and other systems, so it never saw use as a heavy fighter/interceptor.

Introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica", the Breda 88 (P.XI) works as an interceptor, with a decent firepower. However, it does have a few issues; in a straight line, it has a good top speed, especially when compared to the biplanes around its BR, but the aircraft is not well suited for high altitude combat due to the poor rate of climb. It comes with a very standard armament for an interceptor, three 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns that have a good rate of fire and range. Since the flight performance is not the most optimal, the vehicle should use its good top speed to its advantage, being mainly a support fighter. A good idea is to stay away from the centre of combat and pick off slow enemies or help teammates stuck in a dogfight. Dogfights with this aircraft are not recommended since it is a very heavy target and lacks the agility to outperform most aircraft in a fight.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 5 600 m490 km/h
Turn time29 s
Max altitude9 800 m
Engine2 х Piaggio P.XI. R.C. 40
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight7 t

With all of the additional necessary gear and equipment added to the first production series after the prototype, the Breda 88 is hopelessly overloaded (137 kg/m² wing-load) and drains any advantage the streamlined design and strong engines grant. In fact on first glance the Lince appears to be quite responsive, featuring late control lock-up speeds and decent roll-rate once spinning. But in this lies the crux of the matter. The aircraft is too heavy, any manoeuvre pulled must change the momentum of the aircraft, hence any steering and course correction is linked to a loss in speed and/or altitude to compensate. It bleeds speed everywhere thus seriously hampering its ability to Boom & Zoom effectively which one would think the Breda is destined for. Crawling to its ground-level top speed of 410 km/h IAS Boom & Run tactics might work against biplanes.

Take off on empty is @ 150 km/h IAS (136 f/s) in 18 s, attempting an Immelmann at top speed will cause the aircraft to stall at its zenith and a Split-S should only be performed with +500 m (1,650 ft.) to spare or else impact with the ground will be a given. When attempting to gain altitude, climbing should be done at ~10° when loaded and @ 12° when empty. These data points were not copied from an Italian medium bomber, but rather are a show of inferiority compared to any other attacker at its battle rating. On the bright side, the difference between full and empty payload is minuscule.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 5,600 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 476 462 9800 29.9 30.9 6.0 5.9 730
Upgraded 504 490 28.1 29.0 9.3 7.6

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
712.5 262 N/A 388 283 ~9 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 360 < 320 < 400 > 200
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
4,000 m 1,000 hp N/A

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural713 km/h
Gear262 km/h

Designed to outrun any interceptors, the designers at Breda opted to forego any kind of armour protection. A shame that the Lince cannot do that. While the central fuselage tank may shield from a few pursuit shots, any frontal attacks are very likely to take out the entire crew in a single burst. This aircraft lacks in manoeuvrability leading to an overall short service life both in real life and game. Though the radial engines are rather resilient, not that it improves the survivability much.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB167 → 222 Sl icon.png
RB206 → 275 Sl icon.png
SB426 → 568 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications4 430 Rp icon.png
2 690 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost300 Ge icon.png
Crew training600 Sl icon.png
Experts2 100 Sl icon.png
Aces45 Ge icon.png
Research Aces110 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
10 / 30 / 60 % Sl icon.png
100 / 100 / 100 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
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Fuselage repair
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
135 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
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Radiator
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
135 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
280 Rp icon.png
Cost:
170 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
280 Rp icon.png
Cost:
170 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
safat12_belt_pack
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
135 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
GP50
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
135 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods weapon.png
safat12_new_gun
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
breda_turret_belt_pack
Research:
280 Rp icon.png
Cost:
170 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
GP100
Research:
280 Rp icon.png
Cost:
170 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods turret gun.png
safat7_turret_new_gun
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 13 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun
Ammunition1 250 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Main article: Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)

The Breda 88 (P.XI) is armed with:

  • 3 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (375 rpg top + 425 rpg middle + 450 rpg bottom = 1,250 total)

The three heavy machine guns are arranged and located in the nose of the aircraft. Usually, the slow firing Breda HMGs are a lacklustre affair, but the addition of a third gun elevates the firepower to just mediocre. Each is armed with different amounts of ammunition, which when firing will run empty at different times. Using tracer belts with one of the guns is a very handy visual feedback in Simulator Battles and a neat visual gimmick in other game modes.

Both "Air Targets" and "Stealth" belts are great against aircraft with their IAI-bullets (high explosive rounds), albeit their fuses may not trigger on the canvas skins of biplanes. Against ground targets, the API-T only "Tracer" belt is recommended.

Suspended armament

List of setups (2)
Setup 13 x 50 kg GP 50 bomb
Setup 23 x 100 kg GP 100T bomb
Main articles: GP 50 (50 kg), GP 100 (100 kg)

The Breda 88 (P.XI) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 3 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (150 kg total)
  • 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (300 kg total)

In Realistic and Simulator battles the outer bomb pair drops first with a second drop available for the central third bomb. Due to the aircraft's slow change of momentum, any dive bombing attempt below 600 m (2,000 ft) may result in unplanned self-destruction. Unfortunately, no bombsight with this attacker is available, nor does it feature a floor window for target acquisition. The plane's handling hardly changes with the payloads so the triple 100 kg one is always recommended.

Defensive armament

Turret7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate900 shots/min
Main article: Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)

The Breda 88 (P.XI) is defended by:

  • 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg)

Provides rear cover from enemy fighters which will try to knock you out. The 7.7 mm has a limited firing arc. However, controlling the aircraft allows it to be compensated for. It is best to aim for the engine and fight deck of the enemy fighter to knock it out.

Usage in battles

The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets, for aerial manoeuvres it simply lacks the grace or flying ability necessary. Yet even ground strafing can be difficult due to sluggishness and even deadly as the pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible, as any enemy that engages on its own accords may prove to be fatal. Also note the Ba.88 can carry bombs but does not have air brakes or bombsights, so one must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.

Few viable ways of engaging enemy aircraft exist and all rely on surprising the hostile vehicle. Gaining altitude and diving on the enemy ("Boom") and then either climbing ("Zoom") or running away in level flight are recommended. Albeit this heavy fighter will greatly lose speed in any manoeuvre hence any correction for leading the target should be avoided. Bombers and other aircraft with defensive armament should be avoided entirely.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum)
  • Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks
  • Payloads have almost no performance penalty
  • Payloads are useful for attacking light tanks, artillery, AAA, and vehicles such as armoured cars

Cons:

  • Flying brick of an attacker
    • Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb, top speed and anything really
    • Will get absolutely murdered in a turn fight
  • Lack of any armour for protection
  • Plane is prone to pilot snipe
  • Poor defensive armament
  • Does not have bombsight
  • Deadweight in the line-up

History

The Breda Ba.88 was an Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin-engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2,000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation, it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines capable of 1,000 hp each, setting several new world speed records in 1937, with speeds in the 550 km/h range. By 1938-39 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired in 1941 with only 149 made, after only brief service in Libya in the summer of 1940. The plane was found to perform much more poorly with an operational bombload and unsuitable for the designated role of heavy fighter/assault.

Media

Skins
Videos
Realistic: Breda 88 (P.XI) [Fun Times] - Jengar
Breda Ba.88 - The Sky Police! - Bo Time Gaming

See also

External links


Italian Society Ernesto Breda (Società Italiana Ernesto Breda)
Attackers  Ba.65 (K.14) L · Breda 88 (P.XI)

Italy strike aircraft
  Ba.65 (K.14) L · Breda 88 (P.XI) · F.C.20 Bis · P.108A serie 2
  Ro.57 Quadriarma · SM.91 · SM.92
Hungary  ◐Bf 110 G-4 · ◔IL-10
Romania  Hs 129 B-2 (Romania)

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