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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_Breda88.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
[[File:GarageImage_Breda88.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
<!--''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Maximum speed, manoeuvrability, speed and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''-->
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
|-
 
|-
! AB
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
 
|-
 
|-
| 476 || 462 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 30.9 || 6.0 || 5.9 || 730
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| 476 || 463 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 30.9 || 6 || 5.9 || 730
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,600 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,600 m)
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
|-
 
|-
! AB
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
 
|-
 
|-
| 504 || 490 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.1 || 29.0 || 5.3 || 7.6 || 730
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| 504 || 490 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.1 || 29.0 || 9.3 || 7.6 || 730
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
====Details====
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==== Details ====
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
|-
 
|-
! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
! Take-off flap
 
! Landing flap
 
! Air brakes
 
! Arrestor gear
 
 
|-
 
|-
| || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps<br>(km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
|-
 
|-
! +
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! + !! -
! -
 
 
|-
 
|-
| ??? || ??? || ??? || ~?? || ~?
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| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 425 || ~9 || ~5
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
|-
 
|-
| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
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| < 360 || < 320 || < 400 || > 200
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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! WEP Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
|-
 
|-
| ?,??? m || 2,200 hp || 2,200 hp
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| 4,000 m || 1,000 hp || N/A
|-
 
<!--! colspan="3" | Setting 2
 
 
|-
 
|-
! Optimal altitude
 
! 100% Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
|-
 
| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
 
|-
 
! colspan="3" | Setting 3
 
|-
 
! Optimal altitude
 
! 100% Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
|-
 
| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
 
|- -->
 
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured. Describe the armour, if there is any, also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
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''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
<!--''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.''-->
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<!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
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* 3 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (375 rpg top + 425 rpg middle + 450 rpg bottom = 1,250 total)
* 3 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns (375 + 425 + 450 rounds = 1,250 total)
 
  
 
The three machine guns are arranged and located in the nose of the aircraft. Each is armed with different amounts of ammunition, which means that when all guns fire they will run empty at different times.
 
The three machine guns are arranged and located in the nose of the aircraft. Each is armed with different amounts of ammunition, which means that when all guns fire they will run empty at different times.
  
 
=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
<!--''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets, and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.''-->
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<!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 
{{main|GP 50 (50 kg)|GP 100 (100 kg)}}
 
{{main|GP 50 (50 kg)|GP 100 (100 kg)}}
  
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following payloads:
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 
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* Without load
* 3 x 50 &nbsp;&nbsp;kg GP 50 &nbsp;&nbsp;bombs
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* 3 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (150 kg total)
* 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs
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* 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (300 kg total)
  
 
=== Defensive armament ===
 
=== Defensive armament ===
<!--''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available remove this subsection.''-->
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<!-- ''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available, remove this subsection.'' -->
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
 
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* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg)
* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg = 500 total)
 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets. It can be difficult to be used as a heavy fighter as your pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible as any enemy plane that may engage you maybe fatal for the plane's crew. Also note this plane can carry bombs, but it does not have air brakes and it does not have a bomb sight, so you must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.
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The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets. It can be difficult to be used as a heavy fighter as your pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible as any enemy plane that engages you may be fatal for the plane's crew. Also note this plane can carry bombs, but it does not have air brakes and or a bomb sight, so you must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.
  
===Manual Engine Control===
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
 
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mixer
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! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" |Pitch
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" |Radiator
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
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! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
 
|-
 
|-
! Oil
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! Oil !! Water !! Type
! Water
 
! Type
 
 
|-
 
|-
| Not controllable || Controllable<br>Automatic pitch || Controllable || Not controllable || Combined || Controllable || Not controllable
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| Controllable || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable<br>1 gear || Not controllable
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
===Modules===
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=== Modules ===
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! Tier
 
! Tier
! Flight performance
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! colspan="2" | Flight performance
 
! Survivability
 
! Survivability
! Weaponry
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! colspan="2" | Weaponry
 
|-
 
|-
 
| I
 
| I
| Fuselage Repair
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| Fuselage repair
 
| Radiator
 
| Radiator
 
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|-
 
| III
 
| III
| Wings Repair
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| Wings repair
 
| Engine
 
| Engine
 
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|
 
| Cover
 
| Cover
| New 7 mm MGs (Turret)
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| New 7 mm MGs (turret)
 
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|
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
 
 
* Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum).
 
* Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum).
 
* Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks.
 
* Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks.
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
 
 
* Lack of armour or bulletproof glass for protection of crew.
 
* Lack of armour or bulletproof glass for protection of crew.
 
* Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb and top speed.
 
* Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb and top speed.
* Will absolutely get murdered in a turn fight
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* Will absolutely get murdered in a turn fight.
 
* Plane is prone to pilot snipe.
 
* Plane is prone to pilot snipe.
 
* Poor defensive armament.
 
* Poor defensive armament.
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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The Breda Ba.88 was a Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT Machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial capable of 1000 hp. By 1938-1939 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired at 1941 with only 149 made. The reason why the plane was retired so soon was due to the plane's engines being under powered and it's heavy weight a critical shortcoming.
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The Breda Ba.88 was a Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines capable of 1,000 hp each. By 1938-39 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired at 1941 with only 149 made. The reason why the plane was retired so soon was due to the plane's engines being under-powered and its heavy weight a critical shortcoming.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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== External links ==
 
== External links ==
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on aircraft;''
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* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
 
* ''other literature.''
 
* ''other literature.''
  
 
{{Italy attackers}}
 
{{Italy attackers}}

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Description

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The Breda 88 (P.XI) is a rank I Italian attacker with a battle rating of 1.7 (AB/RB) and 2.0 (SB). It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica".

General info

Flight performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,600 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
476 463 9800 29.9 30.9 6 5.9 730
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,600 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
504 490 9800 28.1 29.0 9.3 7.6 730

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h)
Gear limit
(km/h)
Combat flaps
(km/h)
Max Static G
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425 ~9 ~5
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h)
Rudder
(km/h)
Elevators
(km/h)
Radiator
(km/h)
< 360 < 320 < 400 > 200
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
4,000 m 1,000 hp N/A

Survivability and armour

Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)

The Breda 88 (P.XI) is armed with:

  • 3 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (375 rpg top + 425 rpg middle + 450 rpg bottom = 1,250 total)

The three machine guns are arranged and located in the nose of the aircraft. Each is armed with different amounts of ammunition, which means that when all guns fire they will run empty at different times.

Suspended armament

The Breda 88 (P.XI) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 3 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (150 kg total)
  • 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (300 kg total)

Defensive armament

Main article: Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)

The Breda 88 (P.XI) is defended by:

  • 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, dorsal turret (500 rpg)

Usage in battles

The Breda Ba.88 (P.XI) should be used to attack ground targets. It can be difficult to be used as a heavy fighter as your pilot is extremely vulnerable. Try to avoid enemy planes if possible as any enemy plane that engages you may be fatal for the plane's crew. Also note this plane can carry bombs, but it does not have air brakes and or a bomb sight, so you must manually slow down and estimate the payload release on target.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Radiator Offensive 12 mm MCGP50
II Compressor Airframe New 12 mm MGs
III Wings repair Engine Turret 7 mm MCSAP100
IV Cover New 7 mm MGs (turret)

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Tremendous fuel load (33 minutes of fuel is the minimum).
  • Reasonable armament with a high chance of igniting fuel tanks.

Cons:

  • Lack of armour or bulletproof glass for protection of crew.
  • Poor roll rate, turn time, rate of climb and top speed.
  • Will absolutely get murdered in a turn fight.
  • Plane is prone to pilot snipe.
  • Poor defensive armament.
  • Does not have bomb sight.

History

The Breda Ba.88 was a Italian heavy fighter bomber that was made for the Regia Aeronautica's 1936 requirement for a twin engine heavy fighter capable of 329 mph, 2000 km range, and capable of carrying 20 mm cannons. It made its debut around late 1936 to 1937 and during its evaluation it was a promising design. Standard firepower of the plane was three 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine guns in the nose and a gunner in the dorsal turret with a 7.7 mm Breda SAFAT machine gun. The prototype aircraft flew with two Isotta-Fraschini K14 series while production models of the plane had two Piaggio P.XI RC.40 "Stella" 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines capable of 1,000 hp each. By 1938-39 the Breda Ba.88 came into production but it would be retired at 1941 with only 149 made. The reason why the plane was retired so soon was due to the plane's engines being under-powered and its heavy weight a critical shortcoming.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the aircraft;
  • other literature.


Italy strike aircraft
  Ba.65 (K.14) L · Breda 88 (P.XI) · F.C.20 Bis · P.108A serie 2
  Ro.57 Quadriarma · SM.91 · SM.92
Hungary  ◐Bf 110 G-4 · ◔IL-10
Romania  Hs 129 B-2 (Romania)