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Ta-Se

Type 94

Ta-Se

AB	RB	SB
1.7	1.7	1.7

Class:

SPAA

Research:4 000

Purchase:2 100

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Description

The Experimental Anti-Air Ta-Se (試製対空戦車「タセ」) was a prototype anti-air vehicle to mechanize the Type 98 20 mm cannon for armoured companies. Early during the design phase, the easy-to-produce Type 94 anti-air truck was developed and took away the priority of further developing the Ta-Se. The Ta-Se was supposed to supplement the Type 98 Ke-Ni and replace the Type 95 Ha-Go; however, it was not formally adopted. In the end, the Army decided it was easier to maintain Type 98 cannons towed behind trucks or use the Type 94 truck as a flatbed than having to adopt and mass produce anti-air tanks to move the same anti-air guns.

It was introduced along with the initial Japanese Ground Forces tree in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai". Capable of dispatching airplanes as well as it can destroy tanks, the Ta-Se does it quickly; Being built on top of the Ke-Ni chassis, it maintains its zippy manoeuvrability and thin armour. Crew survivability isn't the best for 3 crew members, with 2 sticking out in the turret, though it can get lucky losing a crew member and continue the fight unlike its German counterparts the Flakpanzer I and Flakpanzer 38 only crewing 2 men.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull16 / 12 / 10

Turret12 / 12 / 12

Crew3 people

Visibility75 %

It shares the same chassis as the Type 98 Ke-Ni, very thin armour in favour of speed, with a modified open-top turret to be converted as an SPAAG.

Armour type:

Rolled homogeneous armour

Armour	Front	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	10 mm (22-25°) Front plate 9 mm (24°) Driver's port 9 mm (72°) Front glacis 16 mm (2-58°) Lower glacis	12 mm (0-31°) Top 12 mm Bottom	10 mm (52°) Top 10 mm (12-52°) Bottom	10 mm
Turret	12-16 mm (13-14°) Turret front 12 mm (0-1°) Gun mount	12 mm (11-13°)	12 mm (6-11°)	N/A

Notes:

Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
Belly armour is 9 mm thick.
Turret underside armour is 9 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB54 / 8 km/h

RB and SB50 / 8 km/h

Number of gears6 forward

1 back

Weight7.0 t

Engine power

AB248 hp

RB and SB130 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB35.4 hp/t

RB and SB18.6 hp/t

As mentioned, the Ta-Se is built on the Type 98 Ke-Ni hull, which is a very manoeuvrable platform.

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Game Mode	Forward	Reverse	Weight (tons)	Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	54	8	7	136	248	19.43	35.43
Realistic	50	8	7	115	130	16.43	18.57

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB211 → 271

RB195 → 250

SB276 → 355

Total cost of modifications4 430

2 670

Talisman cost300

Crew training600

Experts2 100

Aces45

Research Aces110 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

20 / 20 / 20 %

100 / 100 / 100 %

Modifications

Mobility

Protection

Firepower

Tracks Research: 220 Cost: 135 50
Suspension Research: 200 Cost: 120 45	Brake System Research: 200 Cost: 120 45
Filters Research: 370 Cost: 220 80
Transmission Research: 480 Cost: 290 105	Engine Research: 480 Cost: 290 105

Improved Parts

Research:

220

Cost:

135

50

Improved FPE

Research:

200

Cost:

120

45

Crew Replenishment

Research:

370

Cost:

220

80

Horizontal Drive Research: 220 Cost: 135 50	20mm_jp_type100_HE_ammo_pack Research: 220 Cost: 135 50
Adjustment of Fire Research: 200 Cost: 120 45	20mm_jp_type100_AP_ammo_pack Research: 200 Cost: 120 45
Elevation Mechanism Research: 370 Cost: 220 80
Artillery Support Research: 480 Cost: 290 105

Armaments

Main armament

20 mm Type 98 cannon

Ammunition400 rounds

Belt capacity20 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

3.9 → 3.0 s

Fire rate300 shots/min

Vertical guidance-10° / 85°

Main article: Type 98 (20 mm)

20 mm Type 98						Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	400 (20)	300	-10°/+85°	±180°	N/A	35.2	48.8	59.2	65.5	69.6	3.90	3.45	3.18	3.00
Realistic	400 (20)	300	-10°/+85°	±180°	N/A	23.8	28.0	34.0	37.6	40.0	3.90	3.45	3.18	3.00

Ammunition

Default: API-T · HEFI-T · HEFI-T - This belt can fulfill both roles until the others are researched.
Type 100 HE-T: HEFI-T - These are best in the AA role but have no effect on enemy tanks except lightly armoured or open-topped vehicles.
Type 100 AP-T: API-T - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
HEFI-T	6	5	4	3	2	2
API-T	48	45	35	26	19	14

Shell details
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	0%	50%	100%
HEFI-T	950	0.13	0.04	0.1	6	79°	80°	81°
API-T	928	0.16	-	-	-	47°	60°	65°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Ta-Se

Full ammo	1st rack empty	Visual discrepancy
20	1 (+19)	No

Usage in battles

The Ta-Se is a fast turreted SPAAG armed with a 20 mm autocannon. It can serve both as an AA or, in urban/small maps, as a close-quarter flanking vehicle. With a fair 24 hp/ton ratio (fully upgraded), the Ta-Se has enough mobility to follow other light tanks. Its light weight makes breaking through obstacles a bit challenging, but, its canon can break most of them before making contact. With fairly narrow tracks, this vehicle is easily slowed down by rough terrain.

One big downside to being such a fast and versatile vehicle (both AA and AT) is that armour is very light at an average of 12 mm. This means you won't survive any shot bigger than MG fire: play smart and always flank, strike fast and retreat at the littlest threat (arty, other enemy tank, strafing plane, etc.). Since two out of three crew members are located in the turret (with their head popping out of it), do not expect to survive any more than one shot.

AA role:

While not being the best rank 1 AA autocannon (this title belongs to the German Flakpanzer 38(t) Gepard), this little gun is still very suitable to engage planes.

Shooting at aircraft, you can make use of its manoeuvrability to evade enemy bombs or bullets. This is not a spectacular AA since it's fire density is not so great, requiring every shot to be pinpoint on target to hit. Bring 5-6 full HE belts (API works aswell offering high fire chance) to take this role in case there is planes coming your way. Any good SPAA tactic works fine with the Ta-Se.

Light brawler:

Any aggressive player will greatly enjoy taking this little brute into a close quarter fight. Its fast speed and turret turning rate allow for intense action and multi-target engagement. At this BR, 45 mm of penetration is more than enough to incapacitate most enemy tanks. But beware of its limited ammo count and always engage your target with a fully loaded magazine. It is recommended to spray the gunner first and then taking your time to snipe every other crew member. Whenever an artillery strike is coming your way, be it friendly or enemy, do not stand there for too long since a single shell can wreck this tank. One last warning: never engage heavy targets, instead: flee.

Pros and cons

Pros:

More armoured than the Type 94 (can survive MG fire)
Good manoeuvrability and speed
Fast turret turning rate
Tiny. Can easily conceal itself and wait for the perfect time to take out enemy aircraft
20 mm autocannon is more than enough to take out planes at its BR and API-T belt can even take out light tanks and medium tanks from the side.
20 magazines of 20 bullets each.
Good default multi-purpose belt.
Fast reload speed

Cons:

Same single-mounted 20 mm autocannon as with the Type 94
Turret crew members still vulnerable to air attacks and artillery strikes
Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
Low firing rate and dispersion, which can lead to poor performance against fast and tiny fighters
Very thin armour makes it vulnerable to almost every enemy

History

In 1941, Japanese command ordered armoured self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. The new vehicle was supposed to be based on a Type 98 Ke-Ni tank chassis and had a 20 mm canon. The vehicle had a Type 100 air-cooled diesel engine with an output of 96.9 kW. After testing the vehicle, it was decided not to put it into series production, so only one Ta-se was built.

Media

Images

Ta-Se in Japan (Ground Forces)

Skins

Skins and camouflages for the Ta-Se from live.warthunder.com.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

topic on the official game forum;
other literature.

Hino Motors, Ltd. (日野自動車株式会社)
Light Tank	Ke-Ni
SPAA	Ta-Se · So-Ki

Japan anti-aircraft vehicles
Ke-Ni Derivatives	Ta-Se · So-Ki
Wheeled	Type 94
Tracked	SUB-I-II
Radar SPAAG	Type 87
Missile SPAA	Type 93 · Type 81 (C)
USA	▅M16 MGMC · ▅M19A1 · ▅M42

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the initial Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]
+The '''Experimental Anti-Air {{Specs|name}}''' ({{Annotation|試製対空戦車 「タセ」|Shisei Taikū Sensha [Ta-Se]}}) was a prototype anti-air vehicle to mechanize the [[Type 98 (20 mm)|Type 98 20 mm cannon]] for armoured companies. Early during the design phase, the easy-to-produce [[Type 94]] anti-air truck was developed and took away the priority of further developing the Ta-Se. The Ta-Se was supposed to supplement the Type 98 [[Ke-Ni]] and replace the Type 95 [[Ha-Go]]; however, it was not formally adopted. In the end, the Army decided it was easier to maintain Type 98 cannons towed behind trucks or use the Type 94 truck as a flatbed than having to adopt and mass produce anti-air tanks to move the same anti-air guns.
+It was introduced along with the initial Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]. Capable of dispatching airplanes as well as it can destroy tanks, the Ta-Se does it quickly; Being built on top of the [[Ke-Ni]] chassis, it maintains its zippy manoeuvrability and thin armour. Crew survivability isn't the best for 3 crew members, with 2 sticking out in the turret, though it can get lucky losing a crew member and continue the fight unlike its German counterparts the [[Flakpanzer I]] and [[Flakpanzer 38]] only crewing 2 men.
 == General info ==
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 * '''Type 100 AP-T:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}} - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:Type 98 (20 mm)/Ammunition|HEFI-T, API-T}}
-! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
-! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
-|-
-! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
-|-
-| Default || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
-|-
-| Type 100 HE-T || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
-|-
-| Type 100 AP-T || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
-|-
-|}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Belt details
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! colspan="3" | Ricochet
-|-
-! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
-|-
-| Type 100 HE-T || HEFI-T || 950 || 0.13 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || 79° || 80° || 81°
-|-
-| Type 100 AP-T || API-T || 928 || 0.16 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-|}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 * Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
 * Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
-* Low firing rate and dispersion, make every shot count.
+* Low firing rate and dispersion, which can lead to poor performance against fast and tiny fighters
 * Very thin armour makes it vulnerable to almost every enemy
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
+;Images
+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="x250px">
+File:ArtImage2 Ta-Se.png|<small>Ta-Se in [[Japan (Ground Forces)]]</small>
+</gallery>
 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=jp_type_98_ta_se Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
-;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|oTwb5q738uQ|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
 == See also ==
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 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
-* [[Flakpanzer I]]
+* [[File:Germany flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Flakpanzer I]]
-* [[Flakpanzer 38]]
+* [[File:Germany flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Flakpanzer 38]]
-* [[Pvlvv fm/42]]
+* [[File:Sweden flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Pvlvv fm/42]]
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Difference between revisions of "Ta-Se"

Latest revision as of 23:50, 25 June 2024

Contents

Description

General info

Survivability and armour

Mobility

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition

Ammo racks

Usage in battles

Pros and cons

History

Media

See also

External links