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2C

B1 bis

ARL-44 (ACL-1)

2C

AB	RB	SB
2.3	2.3	2.3

Class:

Heavy tank

Research:4 600

Purchase:16 000

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Description

The Char FCM 2C is a rank II French heavy tank with a battle rating of 2.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Sky Guardians".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull45 / 22 / 22

Turret35 / 35 / 35

Crew12 people

Visibility750 %

Armour protection is mediocre, at best. The frontal armour will do little to stop standard guns like the American 37 mm or the Soviet 45 mm, and the sides are vulnerable to autocannons or even the infamous M2 Browning at close ranges. What you do have, however, is a whopping 12 crewmen, which means that even if your main crew has been disintegrated, you are still in the fight as long as you don't get ammo-racked.

Armour type:

Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret)
Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupolas)

Armour	Front (Slope angle)	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	45 mm Upper plate 22 mm (69°) Upper glacis 45 mm Lower plate 15 mm (65°) Lower glacis 45 mm (spherical) Machine gun port 38.1 mm Turret ring	22 mm Upper compartment 22 mm Lower compartment 38.1 mm Turret ring	15 mm (62-63°) Upper glacis 22 mm Lower plate	22 mm (21°) Front glacis 13 mm Crew compartment 10 Engine vents 15 mm (28°) Rear glacis
Turret	35 mm (17°) Turret front 35 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet	35 mm (15-17°)	35 mm (17°) 30 mm (18°) Hatch	10 mm (76-87°)
Rear turret	22 mm (11°) Turret front 22 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet	22 mm (11°)	22 mm (11°) 30 mm (11°) Hatch	22 mm (56-67)
Cupolas	22 mm (0-37°)	22 mm (0-37°)	22 mm (0-37°)	22 mm (66-88°)

Notes:

Tracks are 20 mm thick and suspension wheels are 15 mm thick.
Side skirts are 10 mm thick (2 layers) + 22 mm (2 layers).
Suspensions are 10 mm thick.
Engine maintenance doors are 15 mm thick.
Belly armour is 15 mm thick at the back and the front and 10 mm thick in the centre.

Mobility

Reverse gearbox

Forward and backward movement is possible at the same maximum speed

Speedforward / back

AB16 / 16 km/h

RB and SB16 / 16 km/h

Number of gears5 forward

5 back

Weight70.0 t

Engine power

AB954 hp

RB and SB500 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB13.6 hp/t

RB and SB7.1 hp/t

The mobility of the 2C is sluggish; you will have little chance capturing points at the start. The 2C does have an electric transmission, giving it the benefit of being able to quickly reverse from a bad situation instead of needing to turn 180 degrees like most tanks.

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Game Mode	Forward	Reverse	Weight (tons)	Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	16	16	70	646	954	9.23	13.63
Realistic	16	16	70	442	500	6.31	7.14

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB954 → 1 180

RB943 → 1 166

SB1 233 → 1 525

Total cost of modifications8 460

9 580

Talisman cost640

Crew training4 500

Experts16 000

Aces160

Research Aces190 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

40 / 60 / 70 %

118 / 118 / 118 %

Modifications

Mobility

Protection

Firepower

Tracks Research: 560 Cost: 630 75
Suspension Research: 470 Cost: 530 65	Brake System Research: 470 Cost: 530 65
Filters Research: 700 Cost: 790 95
Transmission Research: 1 400 Cost: 1 600 190	Engine Research: 1 400 Cost: 1 600 190

Improved Parts

Research:

560

Cost:

630

75

Improved FPE

Research:

470

Cost:

530

65

Crew Replenishment

Research:

700

Cost:

790

95

Horizontal Drive

Research:

560

Cost:

630

75

Adjustment of Fire

Research:

470

Cost:

530

65

Elevation Mechanism

Research:

700

Cost:

790

95

Armaments

Main armament

75 mm APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897 cannon

Ammunition128 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

7.2 → 5.5 s

Vertical guidance-20° / 20°

Horizontal guidance-140° / 140°

Main article: APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897 (75 mm)

The 75 mm, despite looking impressive, is best attributed as lackluster, even underpowered. Your penetration is on par with German short 75 mm guns, but unlike the German versions, the 2C's gun only has access to its basic APHE round and a HE round. There is no HEAT shells available to counter Matilda or Churchill tanks, and you will suffer against M4 Shermans without proper support. Even the reload rate is inferior, with 5.5 seconds at max crew where pre-F2 Pz.IVs can already achieve about 4 seconds out of the box.

75 mm APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	128	±20°	±140°	-	8.1	11.2	13.6	15.0	16.0	7.15	6.32	5.83	5.50
Realistic	128	±20°	±140°	-	5.9	7.0	8.5	9.4	10.0	7.15	6.32	5.83	5.50

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	Type of warhead	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
Mle1900	HE	11	11	11	11	11	11
Mle1916	APHE	66	65	58	51	45	40

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	0%	50%	100%
Mle1900	HE	500	5.3	0	0.1	695	79°	80°	81°
Mle1916	APHE	558	7.44	1.2	14	350	47°	60°	65°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the 2C

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	6th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
128	97 (+31)	67 (+61)	61 (+67)	55 (+73)	28 (+100)	1 (+127)	No

Machine guns

2 x 8 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1914 machine gun

Ammunition10 000 rounds

Belt capacity250 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

6.5 → 5.0 s

Fire rate450 shots/min

Main article: Hotchkiss Mle 1914 (8 mm)

The two machine guns on the 2C are of dubious utility. The front one has limited traverse arcs by virtue of being bow-mounted, so its use is limited to whatever you point your tank towards. The rear turret is of more doubtful use, however, as it cannot fire to the front and, being a normal MG, lacks the power to damage anything short of open-tops.

8 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1914
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Bow	5,000 (150)	600 rpm	__°	__°
Rear turret	5,000 (150)	___	__°	__°

Usage in battles

The char 2C should be used as a breakthrough tank, it is too slow to flank and has not enough penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell has enough penetration to knock out almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT, making it ideal against open-topped vehicles, Panzer IIIs and IVs. Your greatest enemies will be high-calibre howitzers (SU-122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, etc.): you should always avoid direct confrontation with them. In an uptier, the Char 2C will struggle penetrating heavy tanks like the Matilda III. Despite its slow speed, the Char 2C performs well on open maps like Normandy.

Pros and cons

Pros:

Neutral steering gives the tank decent reflex mobility
Can climb over rough terrain with ease due to its World War I design
Reverse gearbox lets you pull out quickly of dangerous situations
Has a dozen crew members, highly survivable
Flank attacks from behind are easily shrugged off due to containing no essential crew
Large unoccupied zones, can absorb shells

Cons:

Awfully slow top speed
Armour is mediocre at best, very vulnerable to high calibre HE or autocannons
Limited turret traverse, very prone to flanking
Poor elevation and depression angles
Extremely large, easily spotted and hit

History

The FCM 2C was a French "super heavy" tank designed to conquer the "no man's land" of WW1. It was dimensionally the largest tank ever produced, and for a time the heaviest. Ready for production by February 1918, the war ended before any of the vehicles were completed, and so the order of 300 was eventually reduced to just 10, finished in 1921. The standard 2C mounted a 75 mm APX 1897 field gun, similar to the cannon which would be mounted on the M3 GMC tank destroyer. The 2C had many innovative design features for the time, including a hybrid drive, leaf spring suspension, the world's first three-man turret, and stroboscopic cupolas. All of the 2Cs were named after ancient regions of France.

One 2C, No. 99 "Champagne", was given a new two-man cast turret with a 155 mm howitzer. The commander was given his own compartment behind the turret. The side machine gun ports were also removed. This variant would be known as the 2C bis. Eventually, Champagne would be returned to its original configuration and its turret would be used as a makeshift static emplacement in the Mareth Line. Champagne would be the only 2C to survive the invasion of France, with the other nine tanks either being scuttled by their own crew to prevent capture, or breaking down.

Media

Skins

Skins and camouflages for the 2C from live.warthunder.com.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

topic on the official game forum;
other literature.

Société Nouvelle des Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée (FCM)
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Aigle-class	Vautour
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Light tank	FCM.36
Heavy tank	2C · 2C bis

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AMX-50	Somua SM · AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
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 Armour protection is mediocre, at best. The frontal armour will do little to stop standard guns like the American 37 mm or the Soviet 45 mm, and the sides are vulnerable to autocannons or even the infamous M2 Browning at close ranges. What you do have, however, is a whopping 12 crewmen, which means that even if your main crew has been disintegrated, you are still in the fight as long as you don't get ammo-racked.
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
+'''Armour type:'''
-<!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
+* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret)
-* Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
+* Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupolas)
 {| class="wikitable"
@@ Line 27: / Line 27: @@
 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 45 mm 0° (upper plate)
+| Hull || 45 mm ''Upper plate'' <br> 22 mm (69°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 45 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (65°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 45 mm (spherical) ''Machine gun port'' <br> 38.1 mm ''Turret ring''
-mm 69°(juncton armor plate) 45 mm 0° (lower plate)
+| 22 mm ''Upper compartment'' <br> 22 mm ''Lower compartment'' <br> 38.1 mm ''Turret ring''
+| 15 mm (62-63°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 22 mm ''Lower plate'' || 22 mm (21°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 13 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 10 ''Engine vents'' <br> 15 mm (28°) ''Rear glacis''
-mm 0-69° (junction) rolled homogenous armor 45 mm (machine gun port) molded homogenous armor
+|-
-| 22 mm 0°(upper compartment)<br>22 mm 0°(lower compartment)
+| Turret || 35 mm (17°) ''Turret front'' <br> 35 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 35 mm (15-17°) || 35 mm (17°) <br> 30 mm (18°) ''Hatch'' || 10 mm (76-87°)
-| ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
 |-
-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || 35 mm 17°
+| Rear turret || 22 mm (11°) ''Turret front'' <br> 22 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 22 mm (11°) || 22 mm (11°) <br> 30 mm (11°) ''Hatch'' || 22 mm (56-67)
-mm 18° (hatch) 38.1mm (turret ring)
-| 10 mm 76°-87°
 |-
-| Cupola || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 66°-88°
+| Cupolas || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (66-88°)
 |-
 |}
 '''Notes:'''
-* Tracks are 20mm thick
+* Tracks are 20 mm thick and suspension wheels are 15 mm thick.
-* Side skirts are 10 mm thick(2 layers)+ 22 mm(2 layers)
+* Side skirts are 10 mm thick (2 layers) + 22 mm (2 layers).
-* Suspensions are 10 mm thick
+* Suspensions are 10 mm thick.
-* ventilation grids are 5mm thick
+* Engine maintenance doors are 15 mm thick.
-* engine maintenace doors are 15 mm thick
+* Belly armour is 15 mm thick at the back and the front and 10 mm thick in the centre.
-* tracks wheels are 15 mm thick
-* floor is 15 mm thick (at the back and the front) and 10 mm thick
 === Mobility ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The char 2C should be used as a breakthrought tank he is too slow to flank and he has not enought penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell as enought penetration to kill almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT making it ideal against open-top vehicles, panzer III and IV. You're greatest enemies will be high calliber hotwizers (SU 122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl...) you should always avoid direct confrontation with them . In an uptier the Char 2C will strugle penetrating heavy tank like the Matilda III . Despite its slow speed the Char 2C perform well on open maps like Normandie .
+The char 2C should be used as a breakthrough tank, it is too slow to flank and has not enough penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell has enough penetration to knock out almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT, making it ideal against open-topped vehicles, Panzer IIIs and IVs. Your greatest enemies will be high-calibre howitzers (SU-122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, etc.): you should always avoid direct confrontation with them. In an uptier, the Char 2C will struggle penetrating heavy tanks like the Matilda III. Despite its slow speed, the Char 2C performs well on open maps like Normandy.
+=== Pros and cons ===
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->'''Pros:'''
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
+'''Pros:'''
 * Neutral steering gives the tank decent reflex mobility

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Difference between revisions of "2C"

Revision as of 19:10, 26 August 2023

Contents

Description

General info

Survivability and armour

Mobility

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition

Ammo racks

Machine guns

Usage in battles

Pros and cons

History

Media

See also

External links