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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The S-199 lacks maneuverability & climb rate. The S-199 as has awful energy retention meaning that the aircraft would not be effective for constant turning. In Realistic Battles, the aircraft should be used as a support role. Due to the S-199's immense firepower it is able to knock out an enemy aircraft quickly with a burst. The S-199 is quite effective in coming in, hitting the enemy hard and getting out although this is difficult to do due to the issues mentioned prior hence it is crucial to work with a teammate to ensure success.  
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The S-199 as has awful energy retention meaning that the aircraft is not effective at turnfighting. It also lacks manoeuvrability and has a poor climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the fighter should be used as a support role. The S-199 is effective at boom-and-zooming and is able to knock out an enemy aircraft quickly with a few bursts.
  
 
=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
* Excellent firepower with upgraded guns
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* Excellent firepower with upgraded guns and gunpods
 
* Fairly stable firing platform
 
* Fairly stable firing platform
 
* Small bombs available for ground attack
 
* Small bombs available for ground attack
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* Poor climb rate
 
* Poor climb rate
 
* Poor energy retention
 
* Poor energy retention
* Sluggish maneuverability
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* Sluggish manoeuvrability
 
* Overheats very quickly under WEP
 
* Overheats very quickly under WEP
  

Revision as of 06:48, 12 April 2022

RANK 5 FRANCE
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GarageImage Sakeen.jpg
ArtImage Sakeen.png
Sakeen
AB RB SB
3.3 3.3 3.3
Class:
Research:Free
Purchase:155 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The S-199 (Sakeen) is a rank IV Israeli fighter with a battle rating of 3.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Winged Lions".

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 6 000 m590 km/h
Turn time22 s
Max altitude9 000 m
EngineJunkers Jumo 211F
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight4 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 6,000 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 561 548 9000 23.3 24.3 7.6 7.6 350
Upgraded 621 590 20.9 22.0 15.3 11.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
0 360 438 409 260 ~__ ~__
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 450 < 390 < 450 > ___

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear360 km/h

Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB1 895 → 2 457 Sl icon.png
RB4 022 → 5 216 Sl icon.png
SB5 537 → 7 181 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications40 200 Rp icon.png
77 900 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training45 000 Sl icon.png
Experts155 000 Sl icon.png
Aces820 Ge icon.png
Research Aces440 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
90 / 200 / 420 % Sl icon.png
160 / 160 / 160 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
2 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 800 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
2 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 800 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 400 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 400 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg_belt_pack
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods ammo.png
mg131_belt_pack
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
mg17_new_gun
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods cannon.png
MG.151/20 cannon
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
mg131_new_gun
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
SC 50
Research:
2 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 800 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg15120_belt_pack
Research:
2 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 800 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
SC 250
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 400 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
mg15120_new_gun
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 400 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate900 shots/min
Ammunition600 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min

The Sakeen is armed with:

  • A choice between two presets:
    • 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns, nose-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total) + 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)
    • 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns, nose-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total) + 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)

Suspended armament

List of setups (4)
Setup 14 x 70 kg SD70 bomb
Setup 24 x 50 kg SD50 bomb
Setup 34 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
Setup 41 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb

The Sakeen can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 4 x 70 kg SD70 bombs (280 kg total)
  • 4 x 50 kg SD50 bombs (200 kg total)
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (200 kg total)

Usage in battles

The S-199 as has awful energy retention meaning that the aircraft is not effective at turnfighting. It also lacks manoeuvrability and has a poor climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the fighter should be used as a support role. The S-199 is effective at boom-and-zooming and is able to knock out an enemy aircraft quickly with a few bursts.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Auto control available
Controllable
Auto control available
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent firepower with upgraded guns and gunpods
  • Fairly stable firing platform
  • Small bombs available for ground attack
  • Robust airframe

Cons:

  • Poor climb rate
  • Poor energy retention
  • Sluggish manoeuvrability
  • Overheats very quickly under WEP

History

At its inception, the Israeli Air Force sought any fighter aircraft it could acquire to supplement its fledgeling military. Unfortunately for the IAF, there were strict arms embargoes put in place on Israel which made it challenging. The IAF's purchasing agents then set out and approached aircraft manufacturers across Europe to find one who might be able to provide fighters.

The Czech manufacturer Avia had been building Messerschmitt Bf 109s for the Germans during WW2, and continued to do so even after the war. Initially in the postwar era, Avia produced the Bf 109 G-10 with the DB 605 engine, a variant they designated the S-99. When the limited stocks of DB 605s ran out after only 21 S-99s constructed, subsequent Bf 109 G airframes were modified to use the Junkers Jumo 211F engines.

The Bf 109 + Jumo 211F combination proved less than successful: the engine and propeller were designed for heavy bomber aircraft like the Heinkel He 111 which required torque, not light fighter aircraft like the Bf 109 which require speed. The early-war designed Jumo 211F also had nearly half the performance of the mid-war designed DB 605. Due to the design of the engine itself, the Jumo 211F could not be fitted with an internal cannon running through the propeller hub like the DB 605, so the S-199s were equipped with solid nose cones. The cannon armament was relocated to the wings using Rüstsatz gunpod kits. These changes produced a fighter which was slow, had poor manoeuvrability, was difficult to control, and was seriously overweight for its engine output. Nevertheless, Avia made 559 S-199 fighters, predominately for the Czechoslovak Air Force.

IAF pilot Modi Alon chasing an Egyptian C-47 over Tel Aviv, June 3, 1948
Alon chasing an Egyptian C-47 over Tel Aviv, 1948

In 1947, Israel negotiated the purchase of twenty-five Avia S-199s, which arrived at the start of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. It was here that many S-199 pilots encountered reliability and combat issues with the aircraft which limited their effectiveness. One of these issues stemmed from the fact that the Jumo 211F was not designed to be used with a gun synchronizer, a mechanical component which prevents an aircraft's guns from firing while the propeller is in the firing line. Therefore, new ones had to be procured and the one which were fitted proved to be unreliable. It was not uncommon for Israeli pilots to inadvertently shoot off their own propellers when the gun synchronizer failed.

The S-199s did find several major victories, however. On June 3, 1948 an S-199 piloted by Modi Alon of 101 Squadron, Israel's first fighter squadron, attacked a formation of two Egyptian C-47 Skytrains and two Spitfires which had repeatedly bombed the city of Tel Aviv. Alon managed to shoot down both C-47s, marking the first air-to-air kills of the Israeli Air Force. The action was witnessed by the public below, who met the IAF and Alon with great enthusiasm and joy. On June 8th, Israelis were able to prove themselves capable in the S-199 again when IAF pilot Gideon Lichtaman shot down an Egyptian Spitfire in the defense of Tel Aviv, scoring Israel's first fighter-vs-fighter victory.

The S-199, despite its poor mechanical performance, gained the distinction of being the first fighter aircraft procured by Israel and provided valuable combat experience and victories for the fledgeling IAF pilots.

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See also

External links


Israel fighters
Bf 109  Sakeen
P-51  P-51D-20-NA
Spitfires  Spitfire Mk IXc · Weizman's Spitfire LF Mk.IXe · Spitfire Mk.IX (CW)

Avia (Avia, dílna na opravu a výrobu letadel)
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