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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|right|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
 
[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|right|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
The '''13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930''' is a French-build heavy machine gun for multi-purpose use. Starting as Hotchkiss Mle 1929, the Mle 1930 is a ground-based anti-aircraft designation of the machine gun. It is commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy and also by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. The guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. The Hotchkiss was for France the equivalent of the [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2 Browning]] heavy machine gun.
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The '''13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930''' is a French-built heavy machine gun for multi-purpose use. Starting as the Hotchkiss Mle 1929, the Mle 1930 is a ground-based anti-aircraft designation of the machine gun. It is commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy and also by the Army during the '30s until WW2. The guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. The Hotchkiss was for France the equivalent of the [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2 Browning]] heavy machine gun.
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20 mm of armour. It feeds from a 30 rounds magazine, which would lead to the weapon's limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. The gun has a fire-rate of 450 rounds per minutes, but in practice it would seldom reach 200 rounds per minutes due to the reload and recoil.
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The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss offers balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but has difficulty against vehicles with more than 20 mm of armour. It is fed by a 30-round magazine, which leads to the weapon's limited capacity to sustain suppressing fire. The gun has a fire-rate of 450 rounds per minute, but in practice it would seldom reach 200 rounds per minute due to the reload and recoil.
  
 
=== Available ammunition ===
 
=== Available ammunition ===
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Only one belt is currently available for the Hotchkiss in the game, the AP-T belt.
 
Only one belt is currently available for the Hotchkiss in the game, the AP-T belt.
  
'''AP-T belt composition:''' AP-I, API-T
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* '''AP-T:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
 
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="9" | Belt details
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! colspan="9" | Shell details
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
 
! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
 
! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
 
! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 
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| AP-I || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
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| AP-I || 800 || 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
 
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|-
| API-T || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
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| API-T || 800 || 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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* [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2HB (12.7 mm)]] - Similar gun in performance, but a lot more successful. It replaced the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.
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* [[M2HB (12.7 mm)]] - Similar gun in performance, but a lot more successful. It replaced the Hotchkiss 13.2 mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.
* [[Type_93_(13.2_mm)|Type 93 (13.2 mm)]] - Japanese license copy of the Hotchkiss
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* [[Type 93 (13.2 mm)]] - Japanese licensed copy of the Hotchkiss
* [[Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm)|Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)]] - Italian license copy of the Hotchkiss
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* [[Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)]] - Italian licensed copy of the Hotchkiss
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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''This armament is having a relatively small calibre which cause the post-penetration damage to be rather low. in many case, a direct hit of the bullets to the crew might not be enough to knock him out. however, the 30 rounds magazine and fast fire-rate allow the user to place more than a single hit at the time. due to his low penetration, vehicles medium armoured, even amounts of the reserve's level, might prove difficult targets. anything with more than 20mm of armour is better to avoid in combat. if you get close enough to a ground target, you might find this armament rather effective. but i would still strongly suggest to try to get your enemy from the side and rear where they are more vulnerable and pay less attention.''
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This armament has a relatively small calibre which causes the post-penetration damage to be rather low. In many cases, even a direct hit to the crew might not be enough to knock them out. However, the 30-round magazine and fast fire-rate allow the user to place multiple hits in quick succession. Due to the low penetration, even reserve-level armoured vehicles might prove difficult targets. Anything with more than 20 mm of armour is better to avoid in combat. If you get close enough to a ground target, you might find this armament rather effective, but it is still strongly suggested to try to get your enemy from the side and rear where they are more vulnerable and pay less attention.
  
if you have enough elevation and a transverse speed fast enough to fallow air target, this gun can prove pretty effective against aircraft. a couple hit and the target is likely to either get in fire or lose some part.
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If you have enough elevation and a traverse speed to follow an air target, this gun can prove pretty effective against aircraft. A couple of hits and the target is likely to be either set afire or lose some critical components.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
 
* Good fire-rate
 
* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
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* Effective against soft targets
 
* Effective against aircraft
 
* Effective against aircraft
  
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* Penetration a bit lacking
 
* Penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine has only 30-rounds
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* Magazine has only 30 rounds
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. First used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships for up to 2,500 meters. The Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. The difference was that the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. The reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. The Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in their official services.  
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Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the mid 1920s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. First used by the French Navy, it served as close anti-air defence for ships with a range of up to 2,500 metres. The Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. The difference was that the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine gun to be used against aircraft, as the French Army worried that the bullets might fall back on civilian areas and potentially kill someone. The Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in their service.
  
In the 1930s, the French cavalry mounted the 13.2 mm machine gun onto AMR.35 ZT1 reconnaissance vehicles to add some anti-tank capability to defend themselves during missions. This was also attempted on armoured cars such as the Laffly 80AM. Some machine guns were also attended for export, arming anti-aircraft trucks, though the export attempt as anti-aircraft ground had no success. but as an independent heavy machine-gun however, this armament was very successful, been exported notably to Brazil, Poland and Romanian, but also licensed to Italy and Japan. nearly all of which had used the 13.2mm intensively during WW2.
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In the 1930s, the French cavalry mounted the 13.2 mm machine gun onto AMR.35 ZT1 reconnaissance vehicles to add some anti-tank capability to defend themselves during missions. This was also attempted on armoured cars such as the Laffly 80AM. Some machine guns were also presented for export, arming anti-aircraft trucks, though the export attempt as anti-aircraft had no success. As an independent heavy machine gun however, this armament was very successful, been exported notably to Brazil, Poland, and Romania, but also licensed to Italy and Japan, nearly all of which used the 13.2 mm intensively during WW2.
  
 
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{{sp-begin|Hotchkiss Ammunition}}
 
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 
warhead
 
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 
 
|-
 
|-
!10 m
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| '''Type O''' || AP || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
!100 m
 
!500 m
 
!1,000 m
 
!1,500 m
 
!2,000 m
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type O'''
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| '''Type OT''' || AP-T || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
|AP
 
|24
 
|23
 
|14
 
|10
 
|7
 
|4
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type OT'''
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| '''Type P''' || APC || 28 || 27 || 20 || 15 || 11 || 9
|AP-T
 
|24
 
|23
 
|14
 
|10
 
|7
 
|4
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type P'''
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| '''Type PT''' || APC-T || 28 || 27 || 20 || 15 || 11 || 9
|APC
 
|28
 
|27
 
|20
 
|15
 
|11
 
|9
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type PT'''
 
|APC-T
 
|28
 
|27
 
|20
 
|15
 
|11
 
|9
 
 
|}
 
|}
{| class="wikitable"
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
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! colspan="10" | Shell details
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" |     Ammunition       
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
(m)
 
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 
(mm)
 
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 
 
|-
 
|-
!0%
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
!50%
 
!100%
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type O'''
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| '''Type O''' || AP || 810 || 0.051 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|AP
 
|810
 
|0.051
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|66°
 
|70°
 
|72°
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type OT'''
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| '''Type OT''' || AP-T || 810 || 0.051 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|AP-T
 
|810
 
|0.051
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|66°
 
|70°
 
|72°
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type P'''
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| '''Type P''' || APC || 810 || 0.052 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|APC
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|-
|810
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| '''Type PT''' || APC-T || 810 || 0.052 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|0.052
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|66°
 
|70°
 
|72°
 
 
|-
 
|-
|'''Type PT'''
 
|APC-T
 
|810
 
|0.052
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|66°
 
|70°
 
|72°
 
 
|}
 
|}
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
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[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|Main combat rounds for the 13.2 mm Hotchkiss]]
 
<div style="text-align: left;">
 
<div style="text-align: left;">
;'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O'''
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;'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O''' (AP type O)
  
The Type O was a standard armour-piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. The projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. There was a brass cloak around the projectile.
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The Type O was a standard armour-piercing round used against soft targets such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles, and aircraft. The projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. There was a brass cloak around the projectile.
  
The round can be identify by the primer seal painted either black or purple.
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The round can be identified by the primer seal painted either black or purple.
  
*Projectile weight: 51,2 g
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* Projectile weight: 51.2 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec
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* Velocity: 810 m/sec
  
;'''Cartouche à balle traçante OT or AP-T type OT'''
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;'''Cartouche à balle traçante OT''' (AP-T type OT)
  
The Type OT was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type O.
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The Type OT was a standard round equipped with a tracer tail. It had the same ballistics as the Type O.
  
The round can be identify by the primer seal painted green.
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The round can be identified by the primer seal painted green.
  
;'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''
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;'''Cartouche à balle perforante P''' (AP type P)
  
The Type P round was a armour-piercing hardened round used against armoured target. Rhe projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. There was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds.
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The Type P round was an armour-piercing hardened round used against armoured targets. The projectile was made of tungsten-steel alloy (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. There was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds.
  
The round can be identify by primer seal painted red.
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The round can be identified by primer seal painted red.
  
*Projectile weight: 52 g
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* Projectile weight: 52 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec
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* Velocity: 810 m/sec
  
;'''Cartouche à balle perforante traçante PT or AP-T type PT'''
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;'''Cartouche à balle perforante traçante PT''' (AP-T type PT)
  
The Type PT was a armour-piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type P.
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The Type PT was an armour-piercing round equipped with a tracer tail. It had the same ballistics as the Type P.
  
It can be identify by the primer seal painted yellow.
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It can be identified by the primer seal painted yellow.
 
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== External links ==
 
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* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]
 
* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

Revision as of 07:42, 26 July 2022

Description

13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount

The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 is a French-built heavy machine gun for multi-purpose use. Starting as the Hotchkiss Mle 1929, the Mle 1930 is a ground-based anti-aircraft designation of the machine gun. It is commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy and also by the Army during the '30s until WW2. The guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. The Hotchkiss was for France the equivalent of the M2 Browning heavy machine gun.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss offers balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but has difficulty against vehicles with more than 20 mm of armour. It is fed by a 30-round magazine, which leads to the weapon's limited capacity to sustain suppressing fire. The gun has a fire-rate of 450 rounds per minute, but in practice it would seldom reach 200 rounds per minute due to the reload and recoil.

Available ammunition

Only one belt is currently available for the Hotchkiss in the game, the AP-T belt.

  • AP-T: AP-I · API-T
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
AP-I 24 23 14 10 7 4
API-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
AP-I 800 0.05 N/A N/A N/A 47° 56° 65°
API-T 800 0.05 N/A N/A N/A 47° 56° 65°

Comparison with analogues

Usage in battles

This armament has a relatively small calibre which causes the post-penetration damage to be rather low. In many cases, even a direct hit to the crew might not be enough to knock them out. However, the 30-round magazine and fast fire-rate allow the user to place multiple hits in quick succession. Due to the low penetration, even reserve-level armoured vehicles might prove difficult targets. Anything with more than 20 mm of armour is better to avoid in combat. If you get close enough to a ground target, you might find this armament rather effective, but it is still strongly suggested to try to get your enemy from the side and rear where they are more vulnerable and pay less attention.

If you have enough elevation and a traverse speed to follow an air target, this gun can prove pretty effective against aircraft. A couple of hits and the target is likely to be either set afire or lose some critical components.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good fire-rate
  • Effective against soft targets
  • Effective against aircraft

Cons:

  • Penetration a bit lacking
  • Magazine has only 30 rounds

History

Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the mid 1920s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. First used by the French Navy, it served as close anti-air defence for ships with a range of up to 2,500 metres. The Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. The difference was that the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine gun to be used against aircraft, as the French Army worried that the bullets might fall back on civilian areas and potentially kill someone. The Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in their service.

In the 1930s, the French cavalry mounted the 13.2 mm machine gun onto AMR.35 ZT1 reconnaissance vehicles to add some anti-tank capability to defend themselves during missions. This was also attempted on armoured cars such as the Laffly 80AM. Some machine guns were also presented for export, arming anti-aircraft trucks, though the export attempt as anti-aircraft had no success. As an independent heavy machine gun however, this armament was very successful, been exported notably to Brazil, Poland, and Romania, but also licensed to Italy and Japan, nearly all of which used the 13.2 mm intensively during WW2.


Media

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See also

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External links


France anti-aircraft guns
13.2 mm  Hotchkiss Mle 1930
20 mm  GIAT M693/mod F2 · Oerlikon KAD (Swiss)
30 mm  HSS 831A
40 mm  Bofors L/60 · Mle. 1951 T1 (Bofors L/70)