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=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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Compared to its peers, the gun has an average muzzle velocity, average rate of fire, and above average horizontal targetting speed. Its biggest weakness is the lack of the dedicated AP shells, which makes the gun unsuitable to deal with any heavily armoured target, even some of the heavy cruisers, like the [[Admiral Hipper (Family)|Admiral Hipper-class]]. Explosive filler of the HE shells is also below average. Where the gun shines, however, are its SAP shells. Having by far the largest explosive filler among its peers, it's able to deal an outstanding amount of damage. This is done by having a lower penetration than most of the other comparable shells, but it's still able to penetrate the majority of the light cruisers
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==== HE ====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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|-
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! colspan="2" rowspan="2" |Cannon
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! rowspan="2" |{{Annotation|Sample Ship|Targeting speed and Sustained rate of fire depend on a specific mount, therefore a representative ship is taken as a sample}}
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! rowspan="2" |Ammo
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! rowspan="2" |Calibre<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" |Muzzle Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" |Sustained rate of fire<br>(rounds/min)
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! colspan="2" |Targeting speed<br>(°/s)
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! rowspan="2" |TNT Equivalent<br>(kg)
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! colspan="2" |Penetration<br>@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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|-
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!Horizontal!!Vertical!!5,000 m!!10,000 m
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|-
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| [[File:France flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| '''203 mm/50 model 1924'''
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| [[Colbert]]
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| HE || 203 || 850 || 5 || 6 || 10 || 8.3 || 61 || 61
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Northampton]]
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| HE || 203 || 853 || 3.5 || 3.6 || 8 || 9.49 || 61 || 61
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Newport News]]
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| HE || 203 || 823 || 10 || 4.2 || 7 || 9.49 || 61 || 61
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|-
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|[[File:Germany flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 (203 mm)|20.3 cm/60 SK C/34]]
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| [[Admiral Hipper]]
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| HE || 203 || 925 || 5 || 6.8 || 6.8 || 8.88 || 61 || 61
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|-
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|[[File:USSR flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[180 mm/57 B-1-P (180 mm)|180 mm/57 B-1-P]]
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| [[Kirov]]
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| HE || 180 || 920 || 5.5 || 6.8 || 8.5 || 7.9 || 60 || 60
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|-
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|[[File:Britain flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/50 Mark VIII (203 mm)]]
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| [[HMS Kent]]
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| HE || 203 || 855 || 5 || 5.1 || 4.7 || 10 || 62 || 62
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|-
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|[[File:Japan flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2 (203 mm)|20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2]]
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| [[IJN Furutaka]]
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| HE || 203 || 835 || 5 || 3.4 || 5.1 || 8.57 || 61 || 61
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|-
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| [[File:Kingdom Italy flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927 (203 mm)|203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927]]
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| [[RN Zara]]
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| HE || 203 || 900 || 3.8 || 5 || 5 || 7.5 || 58 || 58
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|-
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|}
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==== SAP / AP ====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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|-
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! colspan="2" rowspan="2" |Cannon
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! rowspan="2" |{{Annotation|Sample Ship|Targeting speed and Sustained rate of fire depend on a specific mount, therefore a representative ship is taken as a sample}}
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! rowspan="2" |Ammo
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! rowspan="2" |Calibre<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" |Muzzle Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" |Sustained rate of fire<br>(rounds/min)
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! colspan="2" |Targeting speed<br>(°/s)
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! rowspan="2" |TNT Equivalent<br>(kg)
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! colspan="2" |Penetration<br>@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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|-
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!Horizontal!!Vertical!!5,000 m!!10,000 m
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|-
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| [[File:France flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| '''203 mm/50 model 1924'''
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| [[Colbert]]
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| SAPBC || 203 || 850 || 5 || 6 || 10 || 8.88 || 123 || 97
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Northampton]]
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| SP Common || 203 || 853 || 3.5 || 3.6 || 8 || 4.61 || 99 || 68
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Northampton]]
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| APCBC || 203 || 853 || 3.5 || 3.6 || 8 || 1.62 || 277 || 190
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Newport News]]
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| SP Common || 203 || 823 || 10 || 4.2 || 7 || 4.61 || 95 || 66
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|-
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|[[File:USA flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm)]]
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| [[USS Newport News]]
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| APCBC || 203 || 762 || 10 || 4.2 || 7 || 2.21 || 289 || 207
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|-
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|[[File:Germany flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 (203 mm)|20.3 cm/60 SK C/34]]
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| [[Admiral Hipper]]
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| SAPBC || 203 || 925 || 5 || 6.8 || 6.8 || 5.35 || 182 || 130
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|-
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|[[File:Germany flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 (203 mm)|20.3 cm/60 SK C/34]]
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| [[Admiral Hipper]]
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| APCBC || 203 || 925 || 5 || 6.8 || 6.8 || 2.65 || 316 || 226
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|-
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|[[File:USSR flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[180 mm/57 B-1-P (180 mm)|180 mm/57 B-1-P]]
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| [[Kirov]]
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| SAPCBC || 920 || 920 || 5.5 || 6.8 || 8.5 || 7 || 161 || 120
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|-
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|[[File:USSR flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[180 mm/57 B-1-P (180 mm)|180 mm/57 B-1-P]]
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| [[Kirov]]
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| APCBC || 180 || 920 || 5.5 || 6.8 || 8.5 || 2.49 || 331 || 246
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|-
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|[[File:Britain flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[8 inch/50 Mark VIII (203 mm)]]
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| [[HMS Kent]]
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| SAPCBC || 203 || 855 || 5 || 5.1 || 4.7 || 5.2 || 209 || 153
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|-
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|[[File:Japan flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2 (203 mm)|20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2]]
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| [[IJN Furutaka]]
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| APHEBC || 203 || 835 || 5 || 3.4 || 5.1 || 3.25 || 263 || 182
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|-
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| [[File:Kingdom Italy flag.png|link=|25x25px]]
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| [[203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927 (203 mm)|203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927]]
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| [[RN Zara]]
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| APHEBC || 203 || 900 || 3.8 || 5 || 5 || 3.16 || 247 || 148
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Exceptionally large explosive filler of the SAP shells
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* Above average horizontal targetting speed
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Lack of dedicated AP shells
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* Below average explosive filler in the HE shells
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 07:23, 20 April 2024

Description

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General info

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Available ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
OEA Mle 1927 HE HE 61 61 61 61 61 61
OPF Mle 1927 SAPBC SAPBC 151 140 123 109 97 79
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(s) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OEA Mle 1927 HE HE 850 123.82 0 0.1 9.13 79° 80° 81°
OPF Mle 1927 SAPBC SAPBC 850 123.1 0.03 9 8.88 48° 63° 71°

Comparison with analogues

Compared to its peers, the gun has an average muzzle velocity, average rate of fire, and above average horizontal targetting speed. Its biggest weakness is the lack of the dedicated AP shells, which makes the gun unsuitable to deal with any heavily armoured target, even some of the heavy cruisers, like the Admiral Hipper-class. Explosive filler of the HE shells is also below average. Where the gun shines, however, are its SAP shells. Having by far the largest explosive filler among its peers, it's able to deal an outstanding amount of damage. This is done by having a lower penetration than most of the other comparable shells, but it's still able to penetrate the majority of the light cruisers

HE

Cannon Sample Ship Ammo Calibre
(mm) 		Muzzle Velocity
(m/s) 		Sustained rate of fire
(rounds/min) 		Targeting speed
(°/s) 		TNT Equivalent
(kg) 		Penetration
@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Horizontal Vertical 5,000 m 10,000 m
France flag.png 203 mm/50 model 1924 Colbert HE 203 850 5 6 10 8.3 61 61
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm) USS Northampton HE 203 853 3.5 3.6 8 9.49 61 61
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm) USS Newport News HE 203 823 10 4.2 7 9.49 61 61
Germany flag.png 20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 Admiral Hipper HE 203 925 5 6.8 6.8 8.88 61 61
USSR flag.png 180 mm/57 B-1-P Kirov HE 180 920 5.5 6.8 8.5 7.9 60 60
Britain flag.png 8 inch/50 Mark VIII (203 mm) HMS Kent HE 203 855 5 5.1 4.7 10 62 62
Japan flag.png 20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2 IJN Furutaka HE 203 835 5 3.4 5.1 8.57 61 61
Kingdom Italy flag.png 203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927 RN Zara HE 203 900 3.8 5 5 7.5 58 58

SAP / AP

Cannon Sample Ship Ammo Calibre
(mm) 		Muzzle Velocity
(m/s) 		Sustained rate of fire
(rounds/min) 		Targeting speed
(°/s) 		TNT Equivalent
(kg) 		Penetration
@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Horizontal Vertical 5,000 m 10,000 m
France flag.png 203 mm/50 model 1924 Colbert SAPBC 203 850 5 6 10 8.88 123 97
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm) USS Northampton SP Common 203 853 3.5 3.6 8 4.61 99 68
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 9 (203 mm) USS Northampton APCBC 203 853 3.5 3.6 8 1.62 277 190
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm) USS Newport News SP Common 203 823 10 4.2 7 4.61 95 66
USA flag.png 8 inch/55 Mark 16 (203 mm) USS Newport News APCBC 203 762 10 4.2 7 2.21 289 207
Germany flag.png 20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 Admiral Hipper SAPBC 203 925 5 6.8 6.8 5.35 182 130
Germany flag.png 20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 Admiral Hipper APCBC 203 925 5 6.8 6.8 2.65 316 226
USSR flag.png 180 mm/57 B-1-P Kirov SAPCBC 920 920 5.5 6.8 8.5 7 161 120
USSR flag.png 180 mm/57 B-1-P Kirov APCBC 180 920 5.5 6.8 8.5 2.49 331 246
Britain flag.png 8 inch/50 Mark VIII (203 mm) HMS Kent SAPCBC 203 855 5 5.1 4.7 5.2 209 153
Japan flag.png 20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2 IJN Furutaka APHEBC 203 835 5 3.4 5.1 3.25 263 182
Kingdom Italy flag.png 203 mm/53 Ansaldo mod.1927 RN Zara APHEBC 203 900 3.8 5 5 3.16 247 148

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Exceptionally large explosive filler of the SAP shells
  • Above average horizontal targetting speed

Cons:

  • Lack of dedicated AP shells
  • Below average explosive filler in the HE shells

History

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Media

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See also

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France naval cannons
37 mm  37 mm/50 model 1925 · 37 mm/50 model 1933
47 mm  3 pdr QF Hotchkiss
57 mm  57 mm/60 ACAD Mle 1951
75 mm  75 mm/50 Canet model 1891 · 75 mm/50 model 1922
90 mm  90 mm/50 model 1926
130 mm  130 mm/40 model 1919
138.6 mm  138.6 mm/55 model 1910 · 138.6 mm/40 model 1927 · 138.6 mm/50 model 1929 · 138.6 mm/50 model 1934 R1938
152 mm  152 mm/55 model 1930
155 mm  155 mm/50 model 1920
203 mm  203 mm/50 model 1924
305 mm  305 mm/45 model 1906-10
340 mm  340 mm/45 model 1912
  Foreign:
20 mm  2 cm/65 C/38 (Germany) · 2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (Germany) · 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (USA/Britain)
40 mm  2pdr QF Mk.IIc (Britain) · 2pdr QF Mk.VIII (Britain) · Bofors L/60 Mark 2 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (USA)
87.6 mm  Ordnance QF 25pdr (87.6 mm) (Britain)
102 mm  4 in QF Mark V (Britain) · 4 inch/45 Mark XVI (Britain)
105 mm  SK C/33 AA (Germany)
128 mm  12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (Germany)
150 mm  15 cm/48 KC/36 (Germany)

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