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this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)
here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.
due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.
I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,
i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.
12.7 mm
13.2mm
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Hotchkiss Mle 1929
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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.
it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.
Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)
Magazine: 30 rounds
barrel caliber : L/76
rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm
Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)
practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)
used in vehicles
Citroen Kegresse P.7.T (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)
many improvised gun truck
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| Penetration statistics | |||||||
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| Type O | AP | 24 | 23 | 14 | 10 | 7 | 4 |
| Type OT | AP-T | 24 | 23 | 14 | 10 | 7 | 4 |
| Type P | APC | 28 | 27 | 20 | 14 | 10 | 7 |
| Type PT | APC-T | 28 | 27 | 20 | 14 | 10 | 7 |
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| Type O | AP-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type O | AP-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type P | APC | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type PT | APC-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short
it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.
can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple
- projectile weight : 51,2 g
- Velocity : 810 m/sec
Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O
can be identify by the primer seal painted Green
Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P
this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds
can be identify by primer seal painted Red
- projectile weight : 52 g
- Velocity : 810 m/sec
from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO
it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P
can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
source
Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)
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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941
Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935
https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_
https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France
http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723
https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html
https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329
http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html
Hotchkiss Mle 1930
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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the army for anti-personnel and anti-tank used. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 who was used by the Navy and air-force for AA use.
it was a very common machine-gun used by the infantry. used on many mount, it could be carried by the infantry or used in static defense. very flexible in his used, the army however, avoided to used it as AA weapon as they was considering the bullets to be too dangerous when they fall.
Weight: 37.5 kg
Magazine: 30 rounds (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)
barrel caliber : L/76
rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm
Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)
practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)
used in vehicles
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| Type O | AP | 24 | 23 | 14 | 10 | 7 | 4 |
| Type OT | AP-T | 24 | 23 | 14 | 10 | 7 | 4 |
| Type P | APC | 28 | 27 | 20 | 14 | 10 | 7 |
| Type PT | APC-T | 28 | 27 | 20 | 14 | 10 | 7 |
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| Type O | AP-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type O | AP-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type P | APC | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
| Type PT | APC-T | 810 | 0.052 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short
it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.
can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple
- projectile weight : 51,2 g
- Velocity : 810 m/sec
Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O
can be identify by the primer seal painted Green
Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P
this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds
can be identify by primer seal painted Red
- projectile weight : 52 g
- Velocity : 810 m/sec
Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO
it was a armor piercing rounds equiped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P
can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
source
Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)
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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941
Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935
https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_
https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France
http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723
https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html
https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329
http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html
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MG 151/15
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German small calliber auto-cannon, it was more effective than the 20mm version against tank, but a lot less affective against aircrafts. France had captured thos weapons is fair quantity and used it during WW2 and also after WW2 as secondary armament.
Weight: 38.1 kg
Magazine: 30 rounds (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)
barrel caliber : L/83.5
rounds size: 15 × 96 mm
Rate of fire: 740 rpm
practical range: 1000m
used in vehicles
AMX 50 Foch (currently in-game)
Ammo
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| Belt | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | |
| SprGr | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Pzgr. L'spur | 37 | 35 | 25 | 17 | 12 | 8 |
| H-Pzgr. | 50 | 48 | 35 | 25 | 18 | 12 |
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| SprGr | HEFI | 960 | 0.06 | 0 | 0.1 | 1.4 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
| Pzgr. L'spur | API-T | 850 | 0.07 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 48° | 63° | 71° |
| H-Pzgr. | HVAP | 1020 | 0,05 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 66° | 70° | 72° |
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CA 39 Oerlikon
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| Belt | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | |
| HEF | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| APT | 42 | 40 | 30 | 21 | 15 | 11 |
| HEFI-T | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
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| Ammunition | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| 20 mm HEF-I | HEF-I | 838 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.1 | 6 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
| 20 mm AP-T | AP-T | 830 | 0.14 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| 20 mm HEFI-T | HEFI-T | 838 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.1 | 5 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
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HS 820
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weapon of type Auto-cannon, designed by Hispano-Suiza to replace the HS 404
very performing, and very appreciated, the HS 820 chamber longer rounds over the HS 404 and have a much higher velocity and fire rate. this weapon was capable to be belt-feed, drum freed or magazine feed. it was used as much against ground target than it was for air-target. it was very commonly used for IFV vehicles. it was bought by Oerlikon who renamed it Oerlikon KAD.
Weight: 66 kg
Magazine: 60 rounds (or belt)
barrel caliber : unknown
rounds size: 20 x 139 mm
Rate of fire: 1000 min
practical range: 1500m (against arial target)
used in vehicles
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OPT (AP-T)
standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.
- projectile weight : 112 g
- Velocity : 1100 m/sec
RIA (APHEI)
standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.
- projectile weight : 120 g
- Velocity : 1100 m/sec
- explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)
OPTSOC (APDS)
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202
- projectile weight : 109 g
- Velocity : 1250 m/sec
OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shorterned version OPTSOC.
- projectile weight : unknown
- Velocity : 1250 m/sec
APFSDS
APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.
- projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
- Velocity : 1250 m/sec
UIA (HEI-T)
standard high explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.
- projectile weight : 120 g
- Velocity : 1050 m/sec
- explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)
source
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7
https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm
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MG 151/20
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German auto-cannon that was captured in large number after WW2, this armament somewhat obsolete, was often incorporated to the French vehicles for the AA use or as secondary armament. the relatively low velocity of his rounds make it a poor AT armament but the HE rounds are effective against air-targets
Weight: 42.7 kg
Magazine: belt
barrel calibre : L/55
rounds size: 20 x 82 mm
Rate of fire: 600 rpm
practical range: 800m (against aerial target)
used in vehicles
Lorraine 155 Mle.50(currently in-game)
Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon 155mm
AMX 50 Surblindé (currently in-game)
AMX 50 Surbaissé (currently in-game) - missing ingame
Ammo
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| Belt | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | |
| M-Gesch.Ptr | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Pzsprgr Lspur | 23 | 21 | 15 | 9 | 5 | 2 |
| PzGr | 27 | 25 | 18 | 12 | 8 | 6 |
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| Belt | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| Pzsprgr Lspur | APHE | 720 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.1 | 10 | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| PzGr | AP-T | 720 | 0.117 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| M-Gesch.Ptr | HE | 785 | 0.18 | 0 | 0.1 | 30 | 66° | 70° | 72° |
M693 F2
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weapon of type auto-cannon. using the same ammunition as the HS820.
originally based on the HS 820, the M693 F2 was developed for the French Navy. it was a dual belt feed version of the gun who allow a much longer magazine. designed to be a AA gun, it show similar performance to the HS 820 and was used by the army for the IFV and Coaxial gun for the MBT. the dual feed allow a quick switch between different type of ammunition.
Weight: 71 kg
Magazine: belt
barrel caliber : L/100
rounds size: 20 x 139 mm
Rate of fire: 900 min
practical range: 1500m (against arial target)
Variant
- F2 - naval version
- M692 - army version
used in vehicles
AMX-30B (currently in-game)
AMX-30B (1972) (currently in-game)
AMX-30B2 (currently in-game)
AMX-30B2 BRENUS (currently in-game)
AMX-30 Super (currently in-game)
AMX 32 120 (currently in-game)
AMX 40 (currently in-game)
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| Belt | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | |
| UIA | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| RIA | 48 | 43 | 30 | 19 | 11 | 6 |
| OPT | 57 | 52 | 37 | 24 | 15 | 10 |
| RIA | 48 | 43 | 30 | 19 | 11 | 6 |
| OPTSOC | 83 | 75 | 59 | 45 | 29 | 15 |
| OPTSOC Racourcie | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
| APFSDS | 80 | 76 | 70 | 65 | 57 | 50 |
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| Belt | Type of
warhead |
Velocity
(m/s) |
Projectile
Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay
(m) |
Fuse sensitivity
(mm) |
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| UIA | HFI-T | 1,050 | 0.145 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 15 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
| RIA | AP-T | 1,050 | 0.120 | 0.05 | 0.1 | N6 | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| OPT | APHE | 1,100 | 0.112 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 47° | 60° | 65° |
| OPTSOC | APDS | 1,250 | 0.109 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 75° | 78° | 80° |
| OPTSOC Racourcie | APDS | 1,250 | ? | N/A | N/A | N/A | 75° | 78° | 80° |
| APFSDS | APFSDS | 1.250 | ? | N/A | N/A | N/A | 78° | 80° | 81° |
OPT (AP-T)
standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.
- projectile weight : 112 g
- Velocity : 1100 m/sec
RIA (APHEI)
standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.
- projectile weight : 120 g
- Velocity : 1100 m/sec
- explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)
OPTSOC (APDS)
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202
- projectile weight : 109 g
- Velocity : 1300 m/sec
penetration (reported)
- 20 mm at 850 meter, angle 60°
OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shortened version OPTSOC.
- projectile weight : unknown
- Velocity : 1250 m/sec
APFSDS
APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.
- projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
- Velocity : 1250 m/sec
UIA (HEI-T)
standard High explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.
- projectile weight : 120 g
- Velocity : 1050 m/sec
- explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)
source
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7
https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm
https://weaponsystems.net/system/1010-20mm+Giat+M693
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