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  this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)
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  '''this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)'''
  
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here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.
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'''here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.'''
  
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'''
  
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due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.
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'''due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.'''
  
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I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,
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'''I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,'''
  
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'''<br />
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'''
  
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i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.
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'''i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.'''
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 12.7 mm  
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13.2mm
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Hotchkiss Mle 1929
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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.
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it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.
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Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)
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Magazine: 30 rounds
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barrel caliber : L/76
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rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm
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Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)
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practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)
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used in vehicles
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[https://wiki.warthunder.com/P.7.T_AA Citroen Kegresse P.7.T] (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)
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[https://i.imgur.com/Nt0Nm3W.jpeg Berliet VPM]
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[https://i.imgur.com/0FzETFK.jpeg Berliet VPR2]
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[https://i.imgur.com/TTKX5gU.jpeg Berliet VPH]
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[https://i.imgur.com/TuE5kFu.jpeg Citroën-Kégresse P19 AA]
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[https://i.imgur.com/9aqbM60.jpeg Lorraine 28 AA]
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[https://i.imgur.com/z0yboic.jpeg Ford Stake Bed 1941 AA]
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many improvised gun truck
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Ammo
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Hide contents
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" |Type of
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warhead
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! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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|-
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!10 m
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!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
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!1,500 m
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!2,000 m
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|-
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|'''Type O'''
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|AP
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|24
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|23
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|4
 +
|-
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|'''Type OT'''
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|AP-T
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|24
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|23
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|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|4
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|-
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|'''Type P'''
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|APC
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|28
 +
|27
 +
|20
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|-
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|'''Type PT'''
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|APC-T
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|28
 +
|27
 +
|20
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
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|}
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="10" |Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |     Ammunition       
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! rowspan="2" |Type of
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warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity
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(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile
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Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
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(m)
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! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
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(mm)
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! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
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(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! colspan="3" |Ricochet
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|-
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!0%
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!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
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|'''Type O'''
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|AP-T
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|810
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|0.052
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|N/A
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|N/A
 +
|N/A
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|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
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|'''Type O'''
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|AP-T
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|810
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|0.052
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|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
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|'''Type P'''
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|APC
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|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
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|'''Type PT'''
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|APC-T
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|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|}
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'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' 
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it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.
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can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple
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* projectile weight : 51,2 g
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* Velocity : 810 m/sec
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==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''  ====
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it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O
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can be identify by the primer seal painted Green
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'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' 
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this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds
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 +
can be identify by primer seal painted Red
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* projectile weight : 52 g
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* Velocity : 810 m/sec
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from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
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 +
'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' 
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 +
it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P
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 +
can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
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source
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Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)
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Hide contents                     
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''Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941''
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''Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935''
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https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_
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https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France
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[http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2%20x%2099.html http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html]
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https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723
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https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html
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https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329
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http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html
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Hotchkiss Mle 1930
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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the army for anti-personnel and anti-tank used. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 who was used by the Navy and air-force for AA use.
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it was a very common machine-gun used by the infantry. used on many mount, it could be carried by the infantry or used in static defense. very flexible in his used, the army however, avoided to used it as AA weapon as they was considering the bullets to be too dangerous when they fall.
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Weight: 37.5 kg
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Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)
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barrel caliber : L/76
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rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm
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Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)
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practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)
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used in vehicles
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[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Lot-11576-15_%2826973962074%29.jpg/800px-Lot-11576-15_%2826973962074%29.jpg Laffly AM 80]
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[https://i.redd.it/xn80qq6y94nz.jpg AMR 35 ZT-1]
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Ammo
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Hide contents
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" |Type of
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warhead
 +
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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|-
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!10 m
 +
!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
 +
!1,500 m
 +
!2,000 m
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type O'''
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|AP
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|24
 +
|23
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|4
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type OT'''
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|AP-T
 +
|24
 +
|23
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|4
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type P'''
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|APC
 +
|28
 +
|27
 +
|20
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
 +
|-
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|'''Type PT'''
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|APC-T
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|28
 +
|27
 +
|20
 +
|14
 +
|10
 +
|7
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|}
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="10" |Shell details
 +
|-
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! rowspan="2" |     Ammunition       
 +
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 +
warhead
 +
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
 +
(m/s)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
 +
Mass (kg)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
 +
(m)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 +
(mm)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 +
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 +
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 +
|-
 +
!0%
 +
!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type O'''
 +
|AP-T
 +
|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type O'''
 +
|AP-T
 +
|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type P'''
 +
|APC
 +
|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|-
 +
|'''Type PT'''
 +
|APC-T
 +
|810
 +
|0.052
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|}
 +
 
 +
'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' 
 +
 
 +
it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.
 +
 
 +
can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 51,2 g
 +
* Velocity : 810 m/sec
 +
 
 +
==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''  ====
 +
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O
 +
 
 +
can be identify by the primer seal painted Green
 +
 
 +
'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' 
 +
 
 +
this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds
 +
 
 +
can be identify by primer seal painted Red
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 52 g
 +
* Velocity : 810 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' 
 +
 
 +
it was a armor piercing rounds equiped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P
 +
 
 +
can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
 +
 
 +
source
 +
 
 +
Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)
 +
 
 +
Hide contents                     
 +
 
 +
''Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941''
 +
 
 +
''Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935''
 +
 
 +
https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_
 +
 
 +
https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France
 +
 
 +
[http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2%20x%2099.html http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html]
 +
 
 +
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723
 +
 
 +
https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html
 +
 
 +
https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329
 +
 
 +
http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html 
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15 mm
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 +
Spoiler
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MG 151/15
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 +
Spoiler
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German small calliber auto-cannon, it was more effective than the 20mm version against tank, but a lot less affective against aircrafts. France had captured thos weapons is fair quantity and used it during WW2 and also after WW2 as secondary armament.
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Weight: 38.1 kg
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 +
Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)
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 +
barrel caliber : L/83.5
 +
 
 +
rounds size: 15 × 96 mm
 +
 
 +
Rate of fire: 740 rpm
 +
 
 +
practical range: 1000m
 +
 
 +
used in vehicles
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[https://i.imgur.com/3MDKOpf.jpeg Lorraine 37L mod 44]
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[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-50_Foch AMX 50 Foch] (currently in-game)
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 +
Ammo
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 +
Spoiler
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! rowspan="2" |Belt
 +
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 +
|-
 +
!10 m
 +
!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
 +
!1,500 m
 +
!2,000 m
 +
|-
 +
|SprGr
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|-
 +
|Pzgr. L'spur
 +
|37
 +
|35
 +
|25
 +
|17
 +
|12
 +
|8
 +
|-
 +
|H-Pzgr.
 +
|50
 +
|48
 +
|35
 +
|25
 +
|18
 +
|12
 +
|}
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="10" |Shell details
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
 +
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 +
warhead
 +
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
 +
(m/s)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
 +
Mass (kg)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
 +
(m)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 +
(mm)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 +
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 +
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 +
|-
 +
!0%
 +
!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
 +
|SprGr
 +
|HEFI
 +
|960
 +
|0.06
 +
|0
 +
|0.1
 +
|1.4
 +
|79°
 +
|80°
 +
|81°
 +
|-
 +
|Pzgr. L'spur
 +
|API-T
 +
|850
 +
|0.07
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|48°
 +
|63°
 +
|71°
 +
|-
 +
|H-Pzgr.
 +
|HVAP
 +
|1020
 +
|0,05
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|}  
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20mm
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Hide contents
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CA 39 Oerlikon
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 +
Spoiler
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 +
Ammo
 +
 
 +
Spoiler
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="7" |Penetration statistics
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" |Belt
 +
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 +
|-
 +
!10 m
 +
!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
 +
!1,500 m
 +
!2,000 m
 +
|-
 +
|HEF
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|-
 +
|APT
 +
|42
 +
|40
 +
|30
 +
|21
 +
|15
 +
|11
 +
|-
 +
|HEFI-T
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|}
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="10" |Shell details
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
 +
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 +
warhead
 +
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
 +
(m/s)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
 +
Mass (kg)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
 +
(m)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 +
(mm)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 +
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 +
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 +
|-
 +
!0%
 +
!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
 +
|20 mm HEF-I
 +
|HEF-I
 +
|838
 +
|0.12
 +
|0
 +
|0.1
 +
|6
 +
|79°
 +
|80°
 +
|81°
 +
|-
 +
|20 mm AP-T
 +
|AP-T
 +
|830
 +
|0.14
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|47°
 +
|60°
 +
|65°
 +
|-
 +
|20 mm HEFI-T
 +
|HEFI-T
 +
|838
 +
|0.12
 +
|0
 +
|0.1
 +
|5
 +
|79°
 +
|80°
 +
|81°
 +
|}
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Source
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HS 820
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weapon of type Auto-cannon, designed by Hispano-Suiza to replace the HS 404
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very performing, and very appreciated, the HS 820 chamber longer rounds over the HS 404 and have a much higher velocity and fire rate. this weapon was capable to be belt-feed, drum freed or magazine feed. it was used as much against ground target than it was for air-target. it was very commonly used for IFV vehicles. it was bought by Oerlikon who renamed it Oerlikon KAD.
 +
 
 +
Weight: 66 kg
 +
 
 +
Magazine: 60 rounds  (or belt)
 +
 
 +
barrel caliber : unknown
 +
 
 +
rounds size: 20 x 139 mm
 +
 
 +
Rate of fire: 1000 min
 +
 
 +
practical range: 1500m (against arial target)
 +
 
 +
used in vehicles
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/OwFwZlP.jpg AMX VCI]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/OrzxUXH.jpg AMX VCI H20]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/nxgWIIG.jpg M3 VDA]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/a734ayL.jpg M3 VCA]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/MwTbGgf.jpg VAB VDAA]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/NaWknvj.jpg ACMAT VLRA]
 +
 
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ammo
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'''OPT (AP-T)''' 
 +
 
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standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 112 g
 +
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''RIA (APHEI)''' 
 +
 
 +
standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 120 g
 +
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
 +
* explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)
 +
 
 +
'''OPTSOC (APDS)''' 
 +
 
 +
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 109 g
 +
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")''' 
 +
 
 +
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shorterned version OPTSOC.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : unknown
 +
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''APFSDS'''   
 +
 
 +
APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
 +
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec
 +
 
 +
''' UIA (HEI-T)''' 
 +
 
 +
standard high explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 120 g
 +
* Velocity : 1050 m/sec
 +
* explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)
 +
 
 +
source
 +
 
 +
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7
 +
 
 +
https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html
 +
 
 +
https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm
 +
 
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MG 151/20
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Spoiler
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German auto-cannon that was captured in large number after WW2, this armament somewhat obsolete, was often incorporated to the French vehicles for the AA use or as secondary armament. the relatively low velocity of his rounds make it a poor AT armament but the HE rounds are effective against air-targets
 +
 
 +
Weight: 42.7 kg
 +
 
 +
Magazine: belt
 +
 
 +
barrel calibre : L/55
 +
 
 +
rounds size: 20 x 82 mm
 +
 
 +
Rate of fire: 600 rpm
 +
 
 +
practical range: 800m (against aerial target)
 +
 
 +
used in vehicles
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/j0IDAv6.jpg Chenillette Hotchkiss DCA]
 +
 
 +
[http://blob//imgur.com/c4758a15-4e78-4f2c-8391-fe8b20ac2427 AMX 12 Quadritube]
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Lorraine_155_Mle.50 Lorraine 155 Mle.50](currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/VMbO04g.jpg Lorraine 155 Mle.51]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/1G1aAqK.jpeg Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon 155mm]
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-50_Surblinde AMX 50 Surblindé] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/bS6LfiH.jpg AMX 50 Surbaissé] (currently in-game) - missing ingame
 +
 
 +
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{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="7" |Penetration statistics
 +
|-
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! rowspan="2" |Belt
 +
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 +
|-
 +
!10 m
 +
!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
 +
!1,500 m
 +
!2,000 m
 +
|-
 +
|M-Gesch.Ptr
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|2
 +
|-
 +
|Pzsprgr Lspur
 +
|23
 +
|21
 +
|15
 +
|9
 +
|5
 +
|2
 +
|-
 +
|PzGr
 +
|27
 +
|25
 +
|18
 +
|12
 +
|8
 +
|6
 +
|}
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="10" |Belt details
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" |Belt
 +
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 +
warhead
 +
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
 +
(m/s)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
 +
Mass (kg)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
 +
(m)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 +
(mm)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 +
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 +
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 +
|-
 +
!0%
 +
!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
 +
|Pzsprgr Lspur
 +
|APHE
 +
|720
 +
|0.12
 +
|0
 +
|0.1
 +
|10
 +
|47°
 +
|60°
 +
|65°
 +
|-
 +
|PzGr
 +
|AP-T
 +
|720
 +
|0.117
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|47°
 +
|60°
 +
|65°
 +
|-
 +
|M-Gesch.Ptr
 +
|HE
 +
|785
 +
|0.18
 +
|0
 +
|0.1
 +
|30
 +
|66°
 +
|70°
 +
|72°
 +
|}
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M693 F2
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weapon of type auto-cannon. using the same ammunition as the HS820.
 +
 
 +
originally based on the HS 820, the M693 F2 was developed for the French Navy. it was a dual belt feed version of the gun who allow a much longer magazine. designed to be a AA gun, it show similar performance to the HS 820 and was used by the army for the IFV and Coaxial gun for the MBT. the dual feed allow a quick switch between different type of ammunition.
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 +
Weight: 71 kg
 +
 
 +
Magazine: belt
 +
 
 +
barrel caliber : L/100
 +
 
 +
rounds size: 20 x 139 mm
 +
 
 +
Rate of fire: 900 min
 +
 
 +
practical range: 1500m (against arial target)
 +
 
 +
Variant
 +
 
 +
* F2 - naval version
 +
* M692 - army version
 +
 
 +
used in vehicles
 +
 
 +
[https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/images/stories/galery/1960_aml60/aml60_032.jpg AML 60-20]
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/nS0N7zS.jpg AML 60-20 Serval]
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30 AMX-30B] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30_(1972) AMX-30B (1972)] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30B2 AMX-30B2] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30B2_BRENUS AMX-30B2 BRENUS] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/Wuhm3Os.jpg AMX-30C]
 +
 
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[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30_Super AMX-30 Super] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/WjoxPqa.jpg AMX 32]
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-32 AMX 32 120] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-40 AMX 40] (currently in-game)
 +
 
 +
[https://i.imgur.com/ALD9rUR.jpg AMX 10P]
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 +
ammo
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Belt
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! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 +
|-
 +
!10 m
 +
!100 m
 +
!500 m
 +
!1,000 m
 +
!1,500 m
 +
!2,000 m
 +
|-
 +
|'''UIA'''
 +
|3
 +
|3
 +
|3
 +
|3
 +
|3
 +
|3
 +
|-
 +
|'''RIA'''
 +
|48
 +
|43
 +
|30
 +
|19
 +
|11
 +
|6
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPT'''
 +
|57
 +
|52
 +
|37
 +
|24
 +
|15
 +
|10
 +
|-
 +
|'''RIA'''
 +
|48
 +
|43
 +
|30
 +
|19
 +
|11
 +
|6
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPTSOC'''
 +
|83
 +
|75
 +
|59
 +
|45
 +
|29
 +
|15
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPTSOC Racourcie'''
 +
|?
 +
|?
 +
|?
 +
|?
 +
|?
 +
|?
 +
|-
 +
|'''APFSDS'''
 +
|80
 +
|76
 +
|70
 +
|65
 +
|57
 +
|50
 +
|}
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
! colspan="10" |Belt details
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" |Belt
 +
! rowspan="2" |Type of
 +
warhead
 +
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
 +
(m/s)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
 +
Mass (kg)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
 +
(m)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
 +
(mm)
 +
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
 +
(TNT equivalent) (g)
 +
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
 +
|-
 +
!0%
 +
!50%
 +
!100%
 +
|-
 +
|'''UIA'''
 +
|HFI-T
 +
|1,050
 +
|0.145
 +
|0.05
 +
|0.1
 +
|15
 +
|79°
 +
|80°
 +
|81°
 +
|-
 +
|'''RIA'''
 +
|AP-T
 +
|1,050
 +
|0.120
 +
|0.05
 +
|0.1
 +
|N6
 +
|47°
 +
|60°
 +
|65°
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPT'''
 +
|APHE
 +
|1,100
 +
|0.112
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|47°
 +
|60°
 +
|65°
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPTSOC'''
 +
|APDS
 +
|1,250
 +
|0.109
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|75°
 +
|78°
 +
|80°
 +
|-
 +
|'''OPTSOC Racourcie'''
 +
|APDS
 +
|1,250
 +
|?
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|75°
 +
|78°
 +
|80°
 +
|-
 +
|'''APFSDS'''
 +
|APFSDS
 +
|1.250
 +
|?
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|N/A
 +
|78°
 +
|80°
 +
|81°
 +
|}
 +
'''OPT (AP-T)''' 
 +
 
 +
standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 112 g
 +
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''RIA (APHEI)''' 
 +
 
 +
standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 120 g
 +
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
 +
* explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)
 +
 
 +
'''OPTSOC (APDS)''' 
 +
 
 +
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 109 g
 +
* Velocity : 1300 m/sec
 +
 
 +
penetration (reported)
 +
 
 +
* 20 mm at 850 meter, angle 60°
 +
 
 +
'''OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")''' 
 +
 
 +
APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shortened version OPTSOC.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : unknown
 +
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec
 +
 
 +
'''APFSDS'''   
 +
 
 +
APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
 +
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec
 +
 
 +
''' UIA (HEI-T)''' 
 +
 
 +
standard High explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.
 +
 
 +
* projectile weight : 120 g
 +
* Velocity : 1050 m/sec
 +
* explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)
 +
 
 +
source
 +
 
 +
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7
 +
 
 +
https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html
 +
 
 +
https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm
 +
 
 +
https://weaponsystems.net/system/1010-20mm+Giat+M693
 +
 
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Latest revision as of 16:04, 25 July 2022

this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)


here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.


due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.

I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,


i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.

 12.7 mm  

13.2mm

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Hotchkiss Mle 1929

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.

it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.

Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)

Magazine: 30 rounds

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

used in vehicles

Citroen Kegresse P.7.T (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)

Berliet VPM

Berliet VPR2

Berliet VPH

Citroën-Kégresse P19 AA

Lorraine 28 AA

Ford Stake Bed 1941 AA

many improvised gun truck

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type O AP 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type OT AP-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type P APC 28 27 20 14 10 7
Type PT APC-T 28 27 20 14 10 7
Shell details
     Ammunition        Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type P APC 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type PT APC-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

  • projectile weight : 51,2 g
  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

  • projectile weight : 52 g
  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941

Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

Hotchkiss Mle 1930

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the army for anti-personnel and anti-tank used. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 who was used by the Navy and air-force for AA use.

it was a very common machine-gun used by the infantry. used on many mount, it could be carried by the infantry or used in static defense. very flexible in his used, the army however, avoided to used it as AA weapon as they was considering the bullets to be too dangerous when they fall.

Weight: 37.5 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

used in vehicles

Laffly AM 80

AMR 35 ZT-1

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type O AP 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type OT AP-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type P APC 28 27 20 14 10 7
Type PT APC-T 28 27 20 14 10 7
Shell details
     Ammunition        Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type P APC 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type PT APC-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

  • projectile weight : 51,2 g
  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

  • projectile weight : 52 g
  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a armor piercing rounds equiped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941

Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html 

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MG 151/15

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German small calliber auto-cannon, it was more effective than the 20mm version against tank, but a lot less affective against aircrafts. France had captured thos weapons is fair quantity and used it during WW2 and also after WW2 as secondary armament.

Weight: 38.1 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/83.5

rounds size: 15 × 96 mm

Rate of fire: 740 rpm

practical range: 1000m

used in vehicles

Lorraine 37L mod 44

AMX 50 Foch (currently in-game)

Ammo

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Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
SprGr 2 2 2 2 2 2
Pzgr. L'spur 37 35 25 17 12 8
H-Pzgr. 50 48 35 25 18 12
Shell details
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

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0% 50% 100%
SprGr HEFI 960 0.06 0 0.1 1.4 79° 80° 81°
Pzgr. L'spur API-T 850 0.07 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
H-Pzgr. HVAP 1020 0,05 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
  

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CA 39 Oerlikon

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Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
HEF 2 2 2 2 2 2
APT 42 40 30 21 15 11
HEFI-T 2 2 2 2 2 2
Shell details
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

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20 mm HEF-I HEF-I 838 0.12 0 0.1 6 79° 80° 81°
20 mm AP-T AP-T 830 0.14 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
20 mm HEFI-T HEFI-T 838 0.12 0 0.1 5 79° 80° 81°

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HS 820

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weapon of type Auto-cannon, designed by Hispano-Suiza to replace the HS 404

very performing, and very appreciated, the HS 820 chamber longer rounds over the HS 404 and have a much higher velocity and fire rate. this weapon was capable to be belt-feed, drum freed or magazine feed. it was used as much against ground target than it was for air-target. it was very commonly used for IFV vehicles. it was bought by Oerlikon who renamed it Oerlikon KAD.

Weight: 66 kg

Magazine: 60 rounds  (or belt)

barrel caliber : unknown

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 1000 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

used in vehicles

AMX VCI

AMX VCI H20

M3 VDA

M3 VCA

VAB VDAA

ACMAT VLRA

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OPT (AP-T)

standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

  • projectile weight : 112 g
  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

RIA (APHEI)

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

  • projectile weight : 120 g
  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec
  • explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

OPTSOC (APDS)

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

  • projectile weight : 109 g
  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shorterned version OPTSOC.

  • projectile weight : unknown
  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

APFSDS

APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

  • projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 UIA (HEI-T)

standard high explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

  • projectile weight : 120 g
  • Velocity : 1050 m/sec
  • explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

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MG 151/20

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German auto-cannon that was captured in large number after WW2, this armament somewhat obsolete, was often incorporated to the French vehicles for the AA use or as secondary armament. the relatively low velocity of his rounds make it a poor AT armament but the HE rounds are effective against air-targets

Weight: 42.7 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel calibre : L/55

rounds size: 20 x 82 mm

Rate of fire: 600 rpm

practical range: 800m (against aerial target)

used in vehicles

Chenillette Hotchkiss DCA

AMX 12 Quadritube

Lorraine 155 Mle.50(currently in-game)

Lorraine 155 Mle.51

Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon 155mm

AMX 50 Surblindé (currently in-game)

AMX 50 Surbaissé (currently in-game) - missing ingame

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M-Gesch.Ptr 2 2 2 2 2 2
Pzsprgr Lspur 23 21 15 9 5 2
PzGr 27 25 18 12 8 6
Belt details
Belt Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
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Pzsprgr Lspur APHE 720 0.12 0 0.1 10 47° 60° 65°
PzGr AP-T 720 0.117 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M-Gesch.Ptr HE 785 0.18 0 0.1 30 66° 70° 72°

M693 F2

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weapon of type auto-cannon. using the same ammunition as the HS820.

originally based on the HS 820, the M693 F2 was developed for the French Navy. it was a dual belt feed version of the gun who allow a much longer magazine. designed to be a AA gun, it show similar performance to the HS 820 and was used by the army for the IFV and Coaxial gun for the MBT. the dual feed allow a quick switch between different type of ammunition.

Weight: 71 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel caliber : L/100

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 900 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

Variant

  • F2 - naval version
  • M692 - army version

used in vehicles

AML 60-20

AML 60-20 Serval

AMX-30B (currently in-game)

AMX-30B (1972) (currently in-game)

AMX-30B2 (currently in-game)

AMX-30B2 BRENUS (currently in-game)

AMX-30C

AMX-30 Super (currently in-game)

AMX 32

AMX 32 120 (currently in-game)

AMX 40 (currently in-game)

AMX 10P

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
UIA 3 3 3 3 3 3
RIA 48 43 30 19 11 6
OPT 57 52 37 24 15 10
RIA 48 43 30 19 11 6
OPTSOC 83 75 59 45 29 15
OPTSOC Racourcie ? ? ? ? ? ?
APFSDS 80 76 70 65 57 50
Belt details
Belt Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
UIA HFI-T 1,050 0.145 0.05 0.1 15 79° 80° 81°
RIA AP-T 1,050 0.120 0.05 0.1 N6 47° 60° 65°
OPT APHE 1,100 0.112 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
OPTSOC APDS 1,250 0.109 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
OPTSOC Racourcie APDS 1,250 ? N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
APFSDS APFSDS 1.250 ? N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°

OPT (AP-T)

standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

  • projectile weight : 112 g
  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

RIA (APHEI)

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

  • projectile weight : 120 g
  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec
  • explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

OPTSOC (APDS)

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

  • projectile weight : 109 g
  • Velocity : 1300 m/sec

penetration (reported)

  • 20 mm at 850 meter, angle 60°

OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shortened version OPTSOC.

  • projectile weight : unknown
  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

APFSDS

APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

  • projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 UIA (HEI-T)

standard High explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

  • projectile weight : 120 g
  • Velocity : 1050 m/sec
  • explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

https://weaponsystems.net/system/1010-20mm+Giat+M693

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