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Why exactly did my history section on this get deleted? AN_TRN_26 had no problem with it. I even changed up a decent bit of it to try to avoid that.
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Why exactly did my history section on this get deleted? AN_TRN_26 had no problem with it. I even changed up a decent bit of it to try to avoid that. - TM06
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:TM06, as moderators, we not only check the work of wiki submitters but also revisions approved by the other moderators (right now there is only four of us). Things get by us at times, most notably spelling and grammar errors, formatting errors and sometimes stuff cut and paste from Wikipedia and other sources even when some changes have been made. Sometimes the Wikipedia (and other pages) have a whole bunch of information and others are sparse. We want to avoid copying a large portion of the pages (even though the information is really good!) if we allowed the copy/paste we would end up with Wikipedia II.  Initially, I spot checked a few areas of what you wrote and they appeared fine, it wasn't until later Inceptor57 pointed out it was information from the Wikipedia page in the same layout with some minor changes. That is the reason the section was removed. One way to use information you find is to cherry pick information from paragraphs and rewrite it, hitting the highlights (many times there are a huge amount of details, but not all of them need to be told here at this point and still get the main story across), an example could be the 2nd paragraph from the "Design and Development" section from the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.55):
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"''The first G.55 prototype flew on 30 April 1942,[8] piloted by commander Valentino Cus, immediately showing its good performance and flight characteristics. It was armed with one 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon with 200 rounds of ammunition, installed in the forward fuselage and firing between the cylinder banks, exiting through the propeller hub. In "Sottoserie O" airframes, there were also four 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns; two in the upper engine cowling, and two in the lower cowling, firing through the propeller arc, with 300 rpg. This layout soon proved to be troublesome, both for rearming and for the servicing of the lower cowling mounted machine guns: for this reason, the two lower machine guns were removed, and replaced with a 20 mm MG 151/20 in each wing, in the later production series, the Serie 1 (for a total of three cannon and two 12.7mm machine guns, although this varied; some had machine guns in the wings instead of cannon)''." - '''Wikipedia Fiat G.55 page'''
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"''Test pilot Commander Valention Cus of the Italian Air Force was in charge of the initial test flight of the G.55 prototype fighter aircraft on 30 April 1942. Commander Cus' evaluation report listed the aircraft with good flight characteristics and performing very well when put through its paces. Offensive armament of this aircraft consisted of a 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon firing through the centre propeller hub and four 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, however, due to the tight spaces within the fuselage cowling, two machine guns were removed and replaced with either a machine gun in each wing or 20 mm cannons''." - '''Revised by AN_TRN_26'''
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:By no means is my edit perfect, but it shows that you can cherry pick out important information and get your point across (plus it's your own words!).  It is possible after reading it a day or two later, you might feel that you need to remove something, explain something better or add something that is missing and that is fine too, I do that frequently and will make several edits to a page and others will come behind me and make more edits on top of that, we are all working to make the wiki better - that is the end goal! We appreciate your efforts in making the wiki better, we appreciate your help, however, we want to see your work. If you have a history section like this one you want to work on, don't feel you have to complete it all at once and post it. Feel free to work on a paragraph at a time over several days or a week, we can put a notice up that the section is a work in progress by you and you can add as you can. I look forward to reading your future work, if you should have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. - [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 03:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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:: Everything that AN_TRN_26 stated is reflective of my sentiments as well when visiting the edit. I'd also like to encourage more "source-searching" beyond Wikipedia excerpts, as appropriate accreditation and sources on the WT Wiki can be beneficial to a historical text's integrity since another concern is that sometimes, Wikipedia can be erroneous as well. --[[User:U28580205|U28580205]] ([[User talk:U28580205|talk]]) 03:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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Why exactly did my history section on this get deleted? AN_TRN_26 had no problem with it. I even changed up a decent bit of it to try to avoid that. - TM06

TM06, as moderators, we not only check the work of wiki submitters but also revisions approved by the other moderators (right now there is only four of us). Things get by us at times, most notably spelling and grammar errors, formatting errors and sometimes stuff cut and paste from Wikipedia and other sources even when some changes have been made. Sometimes the Wikipedia (and other pages) have a whole bunch of information and others are sparse. We want to avoid copying a large portion of the pages (even though the information is really good!) if we allowed the copy/paste we would end up with Wikipedia II. Initially, I spot checked a few areas of what you wrote and they appeared fine, it wasn't until later Inceptor57 pointed out it was information from the Wikipedia page in the same layout with some minor changes. That is the reason the section was removed. One way to use information you find is to cherry pick information from paragraphs and rewrite it, hitting the highlights (many times there are a huge amount of details, but not all of them need to be told here at this point and still get the main story across), an example could be the 2nd paragraph from the "Design and Development" section from the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.55):
"The first G.55 prototype flew on 30 April 1942,[8] piloted by commander Valentino Cus, immediately showing its good performance and flight characteristics. It was armed with one 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon with 200 rounds of ammunition, installed in the forward fuselage and firing between the cylinder banks, exiting through the propeller hub. In "Sottoserie O" airframes, there were also four 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns; two in the upper engine cowling, and two in the lower cowling, firing through the propeller arc, with 300 rpg. This layout soon proved to be troublesome, both for rearming and for the servicing of the lower cowling mounted machine guns: for this reason, the two lower machine guns were removed, and replaced with a 20 mm MG 151/20 in each wing, in the later production series, the Serie 1 (for a total of three cannon and two 12.7mm machine guns, although this varied; some had machine guns in the wings instead of cannon)." - Wikipedia Fiat G.55 page
"Test pilot Commander Valention Cus of the Italian Air Force was in charge of the initial test flight of the G.55 prototype fighter aircraft on 30 April 1942. Commander Cus' evaluation report listed the aircraft with good flight characteristics and performing very well when put through its paces. Offensive armament of this aircraft consisted of a 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon firing through the centre propeller hub and four 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, however, due to the tight spaces within the fuselage cowling, two machine guns were removed and replaced with either a machine gun in each wing or 20 mm cannons." - Revised by AN_TRN_26
By no means is my edit perfect, but it shows that you can cherry pick out important information and get your point across (plus it's your own words!). It is possible after reading it a day or two later, you might feel that you need to remove something, explain something better or add something that is missing and that is fine too, I do that frequently and will make several edits to a page and others will come behind me and make more edits on top of that, we are all working to make the wiki better - that is the end goal! We appreciate your efforts in making the wiki better, we appreciate your help, however, we want to see your work. If you have a history section like this one you want to work on, don't feel you have to complete it all at once and post it. Feel free to work on a paragraph at a time over several days or a week, we can put a notice up that the section is a work in progress by you and you can add as you can. I look forward to reading your future work, if you should have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. - AN_TRN_26 (talk) 03:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Everything that AN_TRN_26 stated is reflective of my sentiments as well when visiting the edit. I'd also like to encourage more "source-searching" beyond Wikipedia excerpts, as appropriate accreditation and sources on the WT Wiki can be beneficial to a historical text's integrity since another concern is that sometimes, Wikipedia can be erroneous as well. --Inceptor57 (talk) 03:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)