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| + | [[File:37 mm 50 model 1933 (37 mm).jpg|thumb|x250px|Two '''{{PAGENAME}}''' turrets on {{Specs-Link|fr_cruiser_suffren_class_colbert}}]] | ||
== Description == | == Description == | ||
| − | ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' | + | <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' --> |
| + | '''37 mm/50 Modèle 1933''' was designed as a successor to the [[37 mm/50 model 1925 (37 mm)|37 mm Modèle 1925]] to address newer aerial threats, but it failed to meet expectations, leaving the French Navy with a grossly outdated gun, struggling to deliver enough firepower to counter expected threats. | ||
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| + | The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a twin-mount high-angle gun, originally designated for use against aircraft. However, lacking the {{Annotation|HE-TF|High-explosive with time fuze}} or the rate of fire needed to counter such threats effectively, its best use is against coastal vessels, particularly Motor Torpedo Boats. Requiring a direct hit on target and having a relatively small explosive filler, the HE shells of this gun have very limited damage potential. Still, with two shells flying in parallel, it is still likely to inflict visible damage against softer targets. | ||
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon === | === Vehicles equipped with this weapon === | ||
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* {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_le_fantasque_class_le_triomphant}} | * {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_le_fantasque_class_le_triomphant}} | ||
* {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_aigle_class_milan}} | * {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_aigle_class_milan}} | ||
| + | * {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_mogador_class_mogador}} | ||
* {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_jaguar_class_panthere}} | * {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_jaguar_class_panthere}} | ||
* {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_bourrasque_class_tornade}} | * {{Specs-Link|fr_destroyer_bourrasque_class_tornade}} | ||
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== General info == | == General info == | ||
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| + | The gun is deployed on a unique twin-gun mount, firing both of them every 2 seconds with an Aced crew. It can engage targets in angles of +80/-8° and a guidance speed of 20°/s horizontally or 15°/s vertically. | ||
=== Available ammunition === | === Available ammunition === | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
| − | ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' | + | <!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' --> |
| + | Being grouped with the Secondary armament or Anti-aircraft armament, AI gunners will use it to typically engage aerial and surface targets alike. Lacking timed or proximity fuses means that the weapon will really struggle to damage aircraft, being forced to directly impact the airframe to detonate. The best potential target for this gun is small coastal vessels, notably Motor Torpedo Boats and some of the small, unarmoured Motor Gun Boats, but an average muzzle velocity combined with a low rate of fire make even that a non-trivial task. Generally, the gun is best thought of as a support weapon of opportunity, rather than something reliable. | ||
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
| − | ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.'' | + | <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.'' --> |
'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
| − | * | + | * Good guidance speed |
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
| − | * | + | * Low rate of fire |
| + | * Low explosive filler | ||
| + | * Only a single type of ammunition - High Explosive | ||
| + | * Despite of being anti-aircraft gun, lacks timed fuse | ||
== History == | == History == | ||
| − | ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' | + | <!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' --> |
| + | The 37 mm/50 Modèle 1933 gun was developed for the Marine Nationale based on the [[37 mm/50 model 1925 (37 mm)|Modèle 1925]]. However, compared to foreign equivalents, such as the [[Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (40 mm)|40 mm Bofors]] or the [[2pdr QF Mk.IIc (40 mm)|Pom Pom]], it was inferior in terms of rate of fire and damage potential. | ||
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| + | In 1930, the design for the [[Le Fantasque (Family)|Le Fantasque class]] contre-torpilleurs called for improved anti-air capabilities, in response to rapidly advancing aviation technology. The design specified two twin automatic 37 mm guns. The development of this new automatic variant proved difficult, with the vessels initially commissioned with older, single-mount [[37 mm/50 model 1925 (37 mm)|37 mm Modèle 1925]] guns. | ||
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| + | The gun featured a conventional sliding breech mechanism and was fed from boxes containing six cartridges. This design resulted in a maximum theoretical rate of fire of only 30–40 rounds per minute per barrel, a rate that was quickly deemed insufficient against the rapidly advancing aircraft performance of the 1930s. This led to the creation of the 37 mm ACAD (Automatique Contre-Avions Double) Modèle 1935, a twin fully automatic gun designed to achieve an unprecedented rate of fire of 200 rounds per minute per barrel. The ACAD featured remote power control (RPC), significantly enhancing its capability against the latest high-performance aircraft. The new, ultimate design in the family was tested on the [[Arras|Arras]]-class sloop Amiens from 1936 but failed to see widespread adoption before the Fall of France. Instead, the 37 mm/50 Modèle 1933 became the weapon of choice for the navy, with hundreds manufactured and used until the end of the Second World War and beyond, with aviso La Grandière and cruiser Tourville being one of the last vessels utilising this gun in 1950s. | ||
== Media == | == Media == | ||
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== External links == | == External links == | ||
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* ''topic on the official game forum;'' | * ''topic on the official game forum;'' | ||
| − | * ''other literature.'' | + | * ''other literature.'' --> |
| + | * [[wikipedia:Canon de 37 mm Modèle 1925|[Wikipedia] Canon de 37 mm Modèle 1925]] (article also covers Modèle 1933) | ||
| + | * [http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_8-50_m1924.php <nowiki>[NavWeaps]</nowiki> France 37 mm/50 (1.46") Model 1925, 37 mm/50 (1.46") CAIL Model 1933] | ||
| + | * ''French Battleships 1922-1956'' by John Jordan & Robert Dumas (Chapter 2 > Light AA Weapons) | ||
| + | * ''French Destroyers: Torpilleurs D'escadre and Contre-Torpilleurs, 1922-1956'' by John Jordan and Jean Moulin (Chapter 9 > Anti-Aircraft Weapons) | ||
{{France naval cannons}} | {{France naval cannons}} | ||
[[Category:Naval cannons]] | [[Category:Naval cannons]] | ||
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Contents
Description
37 mm/50 Modèle 1933 was designed as a successor to the 37 mm Modèle 1925 to address newer aerial threats, but it failed to meet expectations, leaving the French Navy with a grossly outdated gun, struggling to deliver enough firepower to counter expected threats.
The 37 mm/50 model 1933 (37 mm) is a twin-mount high-angle gun, originally designated for use against aircraft. However, lacking the HE-TF or the rate of fire needed to counter such threats effectively, its best use is against coastal vessels, particularly Motor Torpedo Boats. Requiring a direct hit on target and having a relatively small explosive filler, the HE shells of this gun have very limited damage potential. Still, with two shells flying in parallel, it is still likely to inflict visible damage against softer targets.
Vehicles equipped with this weapon
General info
The gun is deployed on a unique twin-gun mount, firing both of them every 2 seconds with an Aced crew. It can engage targets in angles of +80/-8° and a guidance speed of 20°/s horizontally or 15°/s vertically.
Available ammunition
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| OEA Mle 1925 | HE | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Shell details | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | |||||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
| OEA Mle 1925 | HE | 810 | 0.73 | 0 | 0.1 | 50 | 79° | 80° | 81° | |||
Comparison with analogues
Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.
Usage in battles
Being grouped with the Secondary armament or Anti-aircraft armament, AI gunners will use it to typically engage aerial and surface targets alike. Lacking timed or proximity fuses means that the weapon will really struggle to damage aircraft, being forced to directly impact the airframe to detonate. The best potential target for this gun is small coastal vessels, notably Motor Torpedo Boats and some of the small, unarmoured Motor Gun Boats, but an average muzzle velocity combined with a low rate of fire make even that a non-trivial task. Generally, the gun is best thought of as a support weapon of opportunity, rather than something reliable.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Good guidance speed
Cons:
- Low rate of fire
- Low explosive filler
- Only a single type of ammunition - High Explosive
- Despite of being anti-aircraft gun, lacks timed fuse
History
The 37 mm/50 Modèle 1933 gun was developed for the Marine Nationale based on the Modèle 1925. However, compared to foreign equivalents, such as the 40 mm Bofors or the Pom Pom, it was inferior in terms of rate of fire and damage potential.
In 1930, the design for the Le Fantasque class contre-torpilleurs called for improved anti-air capabilities, in response to rapidly advancing aviation technology. The design specified two twin automatic 37 mm guns. The development of this new automatic variant proved difficult, with the vessels initially commissioned with older, single-mount 37 mm Modèle 1925 guns.
The gun featured a conventional sliding breech mechanism and was fed from boxes containing six cartridges. This design resulted in a maximum theoretical rate of fire of only 30–40 rounds per minute per barrel, a rate that was quickly deemed insufficient against the rapidly advancing aircraft performance of the 1930s. This led to the creation of the 37 mm ACAD (Automatique Contre-Avions Double) Modèle 1935, a twin fully automatic gun designed to achieve an unprecedented rate of fire of 200 rounds per minute per barrel. The ACAD featured remote power control (RPC), significantly enhancing its capability against the latest high-performance aircraft. The new, ultimate design in the family was tested on the Arras-class sloop Amiens from 1936 but failed to see widespread adoption before the Fall of France. Instead, the 37 mm/50 Modèle 1933 became the weapon of choice for the navy, with hundreds manufactured and used until the end of the Second World War and beyond, with aviso La Grandière and cruiser Tourville being one of the last vessels utilising this gun in 1950s.
Media
Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;
- references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.
External links
- [Wikipedia] Canon de 37 mm Modèle 1925 (article also covers Modèle 1933)
- [NavWeaps] France 37 mm/50 (1.46") Model 1925, 37 mm/50 (1.46") CAIL Model 1933
- French Battleships 1922-1956 by John Jordan & Robert Dumas (Chapter 2 > Light AA Weapons)
- French Destroyers: Torpilleurs D'escadre and Contre-Torpilleurs, 1922-1956 by John Jordan and Jean Moulin (Chapter 9 > Anti-Aircraft Weapons)
| France naval cannons | |
|---|---|
| 37 mm | 37 mm/50 model 1925 · 37 mm/50 model 1933 |
| 47 mm | 3 pdr QF Hotchkiss |
| 57 mm | 57 mm/60 ACAD Mle 1951 |
| 75 mm | 75 mm/50 Canet model 1891 · 75 mm/50 model 1922 |
| 90 mm | 90 mm/50 model 1926 |
| 130 mm | 130 mm/40 model 1919 |
| 138.6 mm | 138.6 mm/55 model 1910 · 138.6 mm/40 model 1927 · 138.6 mm/50 model 1929 · 138.6 mm/50 model 1934 R1938 |
| 152 mm | 152 mm/55 model 1930 |
| 155 mm | 155 mm/50 model 1920 |
| 203 mm | 203 mm/50 model 1924 |
| 305 mm | 305 mm/45 model 1906-10 |
| 340 mm | 340 mm/45 model 1912 |
| Foreign: | |
| 20 mm | 2 cm/65 C/38 (Germany) · 2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (Germany) · 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (USA/Britain) |
| 40 mm | 2pdr QF Mk.IIc (Britain) · 2pdr QF Mk.VIII (Britain) · Bofors L/60 Mark 2 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (USA) |
| 87.6 mm | Ordnance QF 25pdr (87.6 mm) (Britain) |
| 102 mm | 4 in QF Mark V (Britain) · 4 inch/45 Mark XVI (Britain) |
| 105 mm | SK C/33 AA (Germany) |
| 128 mm | 12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (Germany) |
| 150 mm | 15 cm/48 KC/36 (Germany) |
