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The {{Specs|pseudonym}} is a battlecruiser.  This class of ships is supposed to have the firepower of dreadnoughts, whilst having superior speed to catch their prey.
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The {{Specs|pseudonym}} is a battlecruiser.  This class of ships is supposed to have the firepower of dreadnoughts, whilst having superior speed to catch their prey. This comes at the cost of armor thickness and coverage. She doesn't have coal bunkers protecting all turrets, the front and rear turrets only have armor plates to protect their ammo. A lucky shot will knock a turret out and its ammo storage underneath, especially from other dreadnoughts. Still, the Von der Tann's armour is still very thick and can shield off most of the cruiser's shells and imprevious to destroyers.
  
This comes at the cost of armor thickness and coverage. She doesn't have coal bunkers protecting all turrets, the front and rear turrets only have armor plates to protect their ammo.
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While the lack of AA guns can be problematic against enemy aircraft, this can actually help the Vonn der Tann to preserve more of her crew in a trading firefight against enemy cruisers, as they need to damage your crew compartment or casemate turrets to kill her crew.
 
 
A lucky shot will knock a turret out and its ammo storage underneath, especially from other dreadnoughts.
 
 
 
As with all ships of the era, she doesn't have AA defenses you can count on.
 
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
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Being a battlecruiser, the Vonn der Tann features superior mobility compared to battleship. Thought still slower than majority of the cruisers, getting around the map will not be a problem for her.
  
 
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{{main|283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)}}
 
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The Vonn der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons inside four twin turrets. While it appears in your harbour that the ship's left and right turrets were obstructed by her lifeboats, these lifeboats will be removed once you get into the battle, allowing the left and right turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full boardsides with decent amount of firing angle.
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The gun itself, while not as powerful as other dreadnoughts with 305 mm cannons, still packs a huge punch to the enemy and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also have good reload time for its carlibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).
  
 
=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
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{{main|150 mm/45 SK L/45 (150 mm)|88 mm/45 casemate SK L/45 (88 mm)}}
 
{{main|150 mm/45 SK L/45 (150 mm)|88 mm/45 casemate SK L/45 (88 mm)}}
  
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The Vonn der Tann features 10 х 150 mm SK L/45 cannons, five mounted on a casemate of each sides of the ship. And 16 х 88 mm SK L/45 cannons, placed in a set of four casemate on the bow, stern, and command tower, as well as four turrets the rear fire control tower.
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The 150 mm guns is very reliable against enemy cruisers at mid-to-close range (within 7 km), being able to chew up most of their crew quickly due to quick reload time of 5 seconds. Other than HEF shell, the guns have an option to load an SAP shell and APCBC shell, the SAP is largely useless due to poor penetration, while the APCBC shell can tear up the modules of lightly-armoured enemy at closer range.
  
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The 88 mm guns is mainly acts as a supplementary weapons and can only be loaded with HEF shell. The guns doesn't pack as much punch as the 150 mm, but it is still quite useful against destroyers and PT boats.
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
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Being built during the infancy of naval aviation, the Vonn der Tann is barely equipped to deal against aerial threats. Thus her "anti-air" armaments only consists of two antique 7.92 mm machine guns, which won't help to deter any aerial threats. Essentially making her a sitting duck against enemy air support.
  
 
=== Additional armament ===
 
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{{main|C/06D (450 mm)}}
 
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Similar with other dreadnought in her era, the Vonn der Tann features four underwater torpedo launchers, one mounted directly at her bow and stern each, and other two is placing on each sides of her bow. Due to this peculiar placement, the torpedo is highly situational and will not help much to destroy enemy ship. The torpedo itself is also pretty weak and slow, with only 122 kg of TNT and a top speed at only 50 km/h. Thus you should relied on her main and secondary firepower instead.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. While it only has 6 guns on broadside, the guns do a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much faster than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers). While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour and they'll struggle to outrun you.
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As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much faster than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as capable of doing full boardsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour and they'll struggle to outrun you.
  
 
Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.
 
Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.
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* Fantastic speed for a ship of its size, able to outrun any battleship and stay close to cruisers
 
* Fantastic speed for a ship of its size, able to outrun any battleship and stay close to cruisers
 
* Out-guns and out-armours every cruiser in the game
 
* Out-guns and out-armours every cruiser in the game
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* Can do a full boardsides with the same damage potential as [[SMS Westfalen]]
 
* Fantastic reload on its main guns, better than the Admiral Graf Spee despite them being the same size
 
* Fantastic reload on its main guns, better than the Admiral Graf Spee despite them being the same size
 
* Deadly secondary armament that can punish cruisers if they come too close
 
* Deadly secondary armament that can punish cruisers if they come too close

Revision as of 19:48, 20 October 2021

Rank VI USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Su-25K Pack
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SMS Von der Tann
AB RB SB
6.3 6.3 6.3
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Purchase:490 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The SMS Von der Tann, 1914 is a rank V German battlecruiser with a battle rating of 6.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Hot Tracks".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Citadel200 / 250 / 25 mm
Main fire tower230 / 180 / 230 mm
Hull25 mm (steel)
Superstructure16 mm (steel)
Number of section9
Displacement21 300 t
Crew1 174 people

The SMS Von der Tann is a battlecruiser. This class of ships is supposed to have the firepower of dreadnoughts, whilst having superior speed to catch their prey. This comes at the cost of armor thickness and coverage. She doesn't have coal bunkers protecting all turrets, the front and rear turrets only have armor plates to protect their ammo. A lucky shot will knock a turret out and its ammo storage underneath, especially from other dreadnoughts. Still, the Von der Tann's armour is still very thick and can shield off most of the cruiser's shells and imprevious to destroyers.

While the lack of AA guns can be problematic against enemy aircraft, this can actually help the Vonn der Tann to preserve more of her crew in a trading firefight against enemy cruisers, as they need to damage your crew compartment or casemate turrets to kill her crew.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB60 / 34 km/h
RB51 / 29 km/h

Being a battlecruiser, the Vonn der Tann features superior mobility compared to battleship. Thought still slower than majority of the cruisers, getting around the map will not be a problem for her.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 60 34
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 51 29

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB22 774 → 28 604 Sl icon.png
RB28 736 → 36 092 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications173 800 Rp icon.png
272 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 000 Ge icon.png
Crew training140 000 Sl icon.png
Experts490 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 500 Ge icon.png
Research Aces670 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
450 / 600 / 100 % Sl icon.png
190 / 190 / 190 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
Mods new ship hull.png
Dry-Docking
Research:
8 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship rudder.png
Rudder Replacement
Research:
9 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
15 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship screw.png
Propeller Replacement
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship engine.png
Engine Maintenance
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
30 000 Sl icon.png
580 Ge icon.png
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Damage Control Division
Research:
8 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods ship fire control crew.png
Fire Division
Research:
9 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
15 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods ship anti fragmentation protection.png
Shrapnel Protection
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods ship venting.png
Ventilation
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship pumps.png
New Pumps
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
30 000 Sl icon.png
580 Ge icon.png
Mods ship ammo wetting.png
Ammo Wetting
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
30 000 Sl icon.png
580 Ge icon.png
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Anti-Air Armament Targeting
Research:
8 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
283mm_ger_skl45_pzgr_navy_apc_ammo_pack
Research:
8 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods new aux caliber turrets.png
Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
9 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
15 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
150mm_ger_skl45_naval_sap_ammo_pack
Research:
9 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
15 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods new main caliber turrets.png
Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
150mm_ger_skl45_l_3_7_naval_ap_ammo_pack
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods ship rangefinder.png
Improved Rangefinder
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

4 х Turret2 x 283 mm/45 SK L/45 cannon
Ammunition164 rounds
Vertical guidance-8° / 20°

The Vonn der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons inside four twin turrets. While it appears in your harbour that the ship's left and right turrets were obstructed by her lifeboats, these lifeboats will be removed once you get into the battle, allowing the left and right turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full boardsides with decent amount of firing angle.

The gun itself, while not as powerful as other dreadnoughts with 305 mm cannons, still packs a huge punch to the enemy and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also have good reload time for its carlibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).

Secondary armament

10 х Turret150 mm/45 SK L/45 cannon
Ammunition150 rounds
16 х Turret88 mm/45 SK L/45 cannon
Ammunition200 rounds

The Vonn der Tann features 10 х 150 mm SK L/45 cannons, five mounted on a casemate of each sides of the ship. And 16 х 88 mm SK L/45 cannons, placed in a set of four casemate on the bow, stern, and command tower, as well as four turrets the rear fire control tower.

The 150 mm guns is very reliable against enemy cruisers at mid-to-close range (within 7 km), being able to chew up most of their crew quickly due to quick reload time of 5 seconds. Other than HEF shell, the guns have an option to load an SAP shell and APCBC shell, the SAP is largely useless due to poor penetration, while the APCBC shell can tear up the modules of lightly-armoured enemy at closer range.

The 88 mm guns is mainly acts as a supplementary weapons and can only be loaded with HEF shell. The guns doesn't pack as much punch as the 150 mm, but it is still quite useful against destroyers and PT boats.

Anti-aircraft armament

2 х Turret7.92 mm MG08 pattern 1908 machine gun
Ammunition1500 rounds
Belt capacity500 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min

Being built during the infancy of naval aviation, the Vonn der Tann is barely equipped to deal against aerial threats. Thus her "anti-air" armaments only consists of two antique 7.92 mm machine guns, which won't help to deter any aerial threats. Essentially making her a sitting duck against enemy air support.

Additional armament

Setup 111 x 450 mm C/06D torpedo
Main article: C/06D (450 mm)

Similar with other dreadnought in her era, the Vonn der Tann features four underwater torpedo launchers, one mounted directly at her bow and stern each, and other two is placing on each sides of her bow. Due to this peculiar placement, the torpedo is highly situational and will not help much to destroy enemy ship. The torpedo itself is also pretty weak and slow, with only 122 kg of TNT and a top speed at only 50 km/h. Thus you should relied on her main and secondary firepower instead.

Usage in battles

As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much faster than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as capable of doing full boardsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour and they'll struggle to outrun you.

Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Fantastic speed for a ship of its size, able to outrun any battleship and stay close to cruisers
  • Out-guns and out-armours every cruiser in the game
  • Can do a full boardsides with the same damage potential as SMS Westfalen
  • Fantastic reload on its main guns, better than the Admiral Graf Spee despite them being the same size
  • Deadly secondary armament that can punish cruisers if they come too close

Cons:

  • Still slower than the majority of cruisers, can easily get left behind
  • Battleships will destroy you in a gunnery duel
  • Effectively no AA protection, easy target for aircraft

History

Devblog

With the appearance of HMS Invincible in 1906, the Imperial Navy found itself lacking an appropriate response as the British battlecruiser outmatched any comparable vessel in the German fleet at the time. As a result, German ship builders began working on designing an equivalent vessel in the same year under the name "Cruiser F". As the ship would eventually become Germany's first battlecruiser, its design was carefully considered, with emphasis being put on speed and protection.

By mid 1907, Cruiser F's design had been finalized and its construction approved by the Kaiser in June, christening the vessel SMS Von der Tann in honor of a Bavarian general. Von der Tann was laid down in March 1908 and launched exactly a year later, before being completed and commissioned into service in September 1910. At the time of commissioning Von der Tann quickly became the new symbol of German naval power, being not only the first German warship fitted with steam turbine engines, but also the world's fastest warship of its type at the time. After completing trials, Von der Tann was sent on a cruise to South America before returning to Germany in May 1911.

During WWI, Von der Tann participated in numerous naval operations in the war: including the Battle of Jutland in 1916, as well as participating in raids against British ports and engagements against the Russian Navy in the Baltic Sea. At the end of WWI in 1918, Von der Tann along with the remainder of the German Navy was interned at Scapa Flow. In the following year, the interned German fleet along with Von der Tann scuttled itself to prevent capture by the Allies with this event marking the end of the warship's illustrious career.

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See also

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External links


Germany battlecruisers
  SMS Von der Tann*
  SMS Derfflinger*
Scharnhorst-class  Scharnhorst
  * Unique ship