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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The M185 is an 155mm howitzer used on the American M109 Paladin SPHs. The M185 was derived from the M126, a shorter barreled version with less muzzle velocity and effective range than the M185. The Paladin participated in many wars, varying from Vietnam to the modern Gulf War in 1991.
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The M185 is an 155 mm howitzer used on the American M109 Paladin SPHs. The M185 was derived from the M126, a shorter barreled version with less muzzle velocity and effective range than the M185. The Paladin participated in many wars, varying from Vietnam to the modern Gulf War in 1991.
  
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Ingame, the M185 is mounted on the M109A1 series of Paladins in USA, Britain, and Israel (Rochev).
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In-game, the M185 is mounted on the M109A1 series of Paladins in USA, Britain, and Israel (Rochev).
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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The M185 has a very high destructive potential. Having 61mm of penetration for the HE and HE-VT shells, direct hits to most tanks at 6.0-7.0 on spots near the roof will eliminate the crew. Light vehicles and open tops will be annihilated, and the HE-VT can destroy slow moving planes and helicopters with a near hit.
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The M185 has a very high destructive potential. Having 61 mm of penetration for the HE and HE-VT shells, direct hits to most tanks on spots near the roof will eliminate the crew. Light vehicles and open tops will be annihilated, and the HE-VT can destroy slow moving planes and helicopters with a near hit.
  
 
=== Available ammunition ===
 
=== Available ammunition ===
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=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The M185 works as a typical howitzer: aiming for and above roof sections as well as cupolas is a must. With a better muzzle velocity than the short-barreled M126, it is easier to aim the gun and projectiles reach the target faster. Most vehicles at the same BR as the M109A1 will be able to destroy the M109A1 in a single hit, so make the shots count, work with teammates, and make sure cover is nearby to ensure a safe reload.
 
The M185 works as a typical howitzer: aiming for and above roof sections as well as cupolas is a must. With a better muzzle velocity than the short-barreled M126, it is easier to aim the gun and projectiles reach the target faster. Most vehicles at the same BR as the M109A1 will be able to destroy the M109A1 in a single hit, so make the shots count, work with teammates, and make sure cover is nearby to ensure a safe reload.
  
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'''Fighting German tanks:'''
 
'''Fighting German tanks:'''
  
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* If fighting Panthers, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet above the roof. Alternatively, aim for the cupola as early models of Panthers have a distinctive tall drum cupola that can easily be targeted. The Panther's sides can also be penetrated with HE, only being 40-50mm thick.
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* If fighting Panthers, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet above the roof. Alternatively, aim for the cupola as early models of Panthers have a distinctive tall drum cupola that can easily be targeted. The Panther's sides can also be penetrated with HE, only being 40-50 mm thick.
 
* For the Tiger H1s, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet right above the roof. The H1 also has the drum cupola, so aiming there will also overpressure and destroy the Tiger. For Tiger Es, shoot the gun mantlet as the cupola is quite small from the front. From the sides, shoot the cupola or turret ring.
 
* For the Tiger H1s, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet right above the roof. The H1 also has the drum cupola, so aiming there will also overpressure and destroy the Tiger. For Tiger Es, shoot the gun mantlet as the cupola is quite small from the front. From the sides, shoot the cupola or turret ring.
 
* Tiger IIs will be encountered quite commonly in an uptier. Aim for the cupola if possible or shoot right above the roof on the lower section of the mantlet.
 
* Tiger IIs will be encountered quite commonly in an uptier. Aim for the cupola if possible or shoot right above the roof on the lower section of the mantlet.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Excellent firepower, can deal with vehicles at 6.3-7.3 with ease if aimed properly.
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* Excellent firepower, can deal with vehicles it faces with ease if aimed properly.
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* Gun is still useful with some skill until around 8.0 with the introduction of ERA/composite, more precise CAS, and better weapons.
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* Gun is still useful with some skill until the introduction of ERA/composite, more precise CAS, and better weapons.
 
* Easy to aim and relatively quick muzzle velocity make sniping easy.
 
* Easy to aim and relatively quick muzzle velocity make sniping easy.
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'''Cons:'''
 
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* HE will not be effective on surfaces thicker than 61mm, heavily armored tanks will be tricky to deal with.
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* HE will not be effective on surfaces thicker than 61 mm, heavily armored tanks will be tricky to deal with.
 
* Long reload time, missing a shot can be unforgiving.
 
* Long reload time, missing a shot can be unforgiving.
 
* Barrel has a very long size, can be detrimental in urban combat.
 
* Barrel has a very long size, can be detrimental in urban combat.
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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{{USA tank cannons}}
 
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{{Britain tank cannons}}
 
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{{Israel tank cannons}}
  
 
[[Category:Tank cannons]]
 
[[Category:Tank cannons]]

Latest revision as of 17:18, 29 December 2023

Description

The M185 is an 155 mm howitzer used on the American M109 Paladin SPHs. The M185 was derived from the M126, a shorter barreled version with less muzzle velocity and effective range than the M185. The Paladin participated in many wars, varying from Vietnam to the modern Gulf War in 1991.

In-game, the M185 is mounted on the M109A1 series of Paladins in USA, Britain, and Israel (Rochev).

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

The M185 has a very high destructive potential. Having 61 mm of penetration for the HE and HE-VT shells, direct hits to most tanks on spots near the roof will eliminate the crew. Light vehicles and open tops will be annihilated, and the HE-VT can destroy slow moving planes and helicopters with a near hit.

Available ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M107 HE 61 61 61 61 61 61
M107 (PF) HE-VT 61 61 61 61 61 61
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 684 43.1 0.3 0.1 9.14 79° 80° 81°
Proximity-fused shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Arming
distance (m) 		Trigger
radius (m) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M107 (PF) HE-VT 684 43.1 0 0 300 3 9.14 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Screen radius
(m) 		Screen deploy
time (s) 		Screen hold
time (s) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M110 684 44.63 21 5 30 50

Comparison with analogues

Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.

Usage in battles

The M185 works as a typical howitzer: aiming for and above roof sections as well as cupolas is a must. With a better muzzle velocity than the short-barreled M126, it is easier to aim the gun and projectiles reach the target faster. Most vehicles at the same BR as the M109A1 will be able to destroy the M109A1 in a single hit, so make the shots count, work with teammates, and make sure cover is nearby to ensure a safe reload.

When shooting, the rule of the thumb is to aim for surfaces directly above the roof, the roof itself, cupolas, or any armor thinner than 55-60mm.

Fighting German tanks:

  • If fighting Panthers, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet above the roof. Alternatively, aim for the cupola as early models of Panthers have a distinctive tall drum cupola that can easily be targeted. The Panther's sides can also be penetrated with HE, only being 40-50 mm thick.
  • For the Tiger H1s, shoot the lower section of the gun mantlet right above the roof. The H1 also has the drum cupola, so aiming there will also overpressure and destroy the Tiger. For Tiger Es, shoot the gun mantlet as the cupola is quite small from the front. From the sides, shoot the cupola or turret ring.
  • Tiger IIs will be encountered quite commonly in an uptier. Aim for the cupola if possible or shoot right above the roof on the lower section of the mantlet.

Fighting Soviet (USSR) tanks:

  • The T-34 series of tanks have weak armor and the HE can destroy the tank from the UFP, turret ring, or the cupola.
  • IS-1/2s can be hard to deal with frontally, aim for the drum cupola.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent firepower, can deal with vehicles it faces with ease if aimed properly.
  • Gun is still useful with some skill until the introduction of ERA/composite, more precise CAS, and better weapons.
  • Easy to aim and relatively quick muzzle velocity make sniping easy.

Cons:

  • HE will not be effective on surfaces thicker than 61 mm, heavily armored tanks will be tricky to deal with.
  • Long reload time, missing a shot can be unforgiving.
  • Barrel has a very long size, can be detrimental in urban combat.

History

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Media

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See also

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  • reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;
  • references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.

External links

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USA tank cannons
20 mm  M139
25 mm  LW25 · M242
37 mm  M3 · M5 · M6
57 mm  M1
75 mm  M2 · M2 Howitzer · M3 · M6 · M1897A4 · XM274
76 mm  M1 · M7 · M32 · T185E1
90 mm  M3 · M3A1 · M36 · M41 · M54 · T15E1 · T15E2 · T54 · T208E9
105 mm  M4 · M68 · M68A1 · M68A1E8 · T5E1 · T5E2 · T140E2 · T140E3 · XM35
106 mm  M40A1C
120 mm  M58 · M256 · T53
152 mm  M81 · M162 · XM150E5
155 mm  M185 · T7
165 mm  M135
  Foreign:
20 mm  Rh202 (Germany)
57 mm  6pdr OQF Mk.III (Britain) · ZIS-2 (USSR)
105 mm  Sharir (Israel)
120 mm  IMI MG251 (Israel)

Britain tank cannons
30 mm  L21A1
40 mm  QF 2-pounder
47 mm  Ordnance QF 3-pounder
57 mm  6pdr OQF Mk.III · 6pdr OQF Mk.V
75 mm  OQF Mk.V
76 mm  OQF 3-inch Howitzer Mk I · OQF 3in 20cwt · QF 17-pounder
77 mm  OQF Mk.II
84 mm  20pdr OQF Mk.I
94 mm  28pdr OQF · 32pdr OQF · OQF Mk.II
95 mm  Howitzer, Tank No.1, Mk.I
105 mm  LRF · Royal Ordnance L7A1
120 mm  Ordnance QF Tk. L1A2 · Ordnance BL Tk. L11 · L11A5 · L30A1
165 mm  ORD BL 6.5in L9A1
183 mm  QF L4A1
  Foreign:
25 mm  M242 (USA)
37 mm  M5 (USA) · M6 (USA)
75 mm  M2 (USA) · M3 (USA)
84 mm  kan Strv 81 (Sweden)
105 mm  Sharir (Israel)
120 mm  Rh120 L/55 A1 (Germany)
125 mm  2A46M-5 (Russia)
155 mm  M185 (USA)
  South Africa
20 mm  GI-2
76 mm  GT-4
90 mm  GT-2
105 mm  GT-3 · GT-7 · GT-8
155 mm  G6 L/45

Israel tank cannons
30 mm  Bushmaster 2 Mk.44 (USA)
75 mm  SA50 L/57 (France)
84 mm  20pdr OQF Mk.I (UK)
90 mm  DEFA F1 (France) · M41 (USA)
100 mm  D-10T (USSR)
105 mm  M-51 (France) · M68 (USA) · Sharir
120 mm  IMI MG251
155 mm  M126 (USA) · M185 (USA) · Soltam M845

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