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# The F-15C/D and F-15A/B were both called ''[[Baz]]'' in the IAF; there was no distinction between them at any point, and most F-15As were upgraded to match the F-15C in performance well before the ''Baz Meshupar'' was even conceptualized. | # The F-15C/D and F-15A/B were both called ''[[Baz]]'' in the IAF; there was no distinction between them at any point, and most F-15As were upgraded to match the F-15C in performance well before the ''Baz Meshupar'' was even conceptualized. | ||
# The first ''Baz Meshupar'' was rolled out in 1998, and was essentially an F-15C/D upgraded to standards approaching the F-15E Strike Eagle. It is unlike any other F-15C in service anywhere else, as it contains a large amount of Israeli proprietary electronics and external modifications. It is no longer an F-15A, B, C or D, but a completely new variant that is exclusive to Israel. | # The first ''Baz Meshupar'' was rolled out in 1998, and was essentially an F-15C/D upgraded to standards approaching the F-15E Strike Eagle. It is unlike any other F-15C in service anywhere else, as it contains a large amount of Israeli proprietary electronics and external modifications. It is no longer an F-15A, B, C or D, but a completely new variant that is exclusive to Israel. | ||
| − | # Though it has almost certainly participated in action over Syria (not a "border conflict" - there hasn't been one in decades), the ''Baz Meshupar'' has never fought with - nor shot down - a single enemy aircraft. In fact, the only Syrian plane shot down by Israel since the early 1980s was intercepted with a ground-launched SAM (world's first Patriot missile kill). All other aircraft intercepted by the IAF have been unmanned drones from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, all shot down by F-15I's, F-35's, and SAMs. | + | # Though it has almost certainly participated in action over Syria (not a "border conflict" - there hasn't been one in decades), the ''Baz Meshupar'' has never fought with - nor shot down - a single enemy aircraft. In fact, the only Syrian plane shot down by Israel since the early 1980s was intercepted with a ground-launched SAM (world's first Patriot missile kill). All other aircraft intercepted by the IAF have been unmanned drones from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, all shot down by F-15I's, F-16I's, F-35's, and SAMs. |
# The ''Baz Meshupar'' certainly has not been replaced by the F-16I nor the F-35, and is still Israel's primary air superiority fighter. It is currently expected to remain so until at least 2040. | # The ''Baz Meshupar'' certainly has not been replaced by the F-16I nor the F-35, and is still Israel's primary air superiority fighter. It is currently expected to remain so until at least 2040. | ||
For more information, please also consult the new history chapter I've just submitted. --[[User:U124382833|U124382833]] ([[User talk:U124382833|talk]]) 20:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | For more information, please also consult the new history chapter I've just submitted. --[[User:U124382833|U124382833]] ([[User talk:U124382833|talk]]) 20:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | : Hello, thank you very much for your counterpoints. You are very welcome to correct the opening paragraph yourself; otherwise, I will try to adjust it with this information at some point over the next few days. - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 20:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 20:52, 6 July 2024
There are MULTIPLE different false statements about this aircraft in the opening blurb for this article. Here is the text as it appears today:
- The Baz Meshupar is the name given in the Israeli Air Force to the F-15C, an upgraded version of the F-15A originally acquired in the mid 1970s. The Baz Meshupar went on to serve for many years, being the backbone of the Israeli Air Force in air superiority tasks until more modern versions of the F-16C and later the F-35 became widely available, the aircraft has seen plenty of action, mainly in border conflicts with Arab nations, most notably interception of Syrian Aircrafts in areas under dispute like the Golan Heights.
- The F-15C/D and F-15A/B were both called Baz in the IAF; there was no distinction between them at any point, and most F-15As were upgraded to match the F-15C in performance well before the Baz Meshupar was even conceptualized.
- The first Baz Meshupar was rolled out in 1998, and was essentially an F-15C/D upgraded to standards approaching the F-15E Strike Eagle. It is unlike any other F-15C in service anywhere else, as it contains a large amount of Israeli proprietary electronics and external modifications. It is no longer an F-15A, B, C or D, but a completely new variant that is exclusive to Israel.
- Though it has almost certainly participated in action over Syria (not a "border conflict" - there hasn't been one in decades), the Baz Meshupar has never fought with - nor shot down - a single enemy aircraft. In fact, the only Syrian plane shot down by Israel since the early 1980s was intercepted with a ground-launched SAM (world's first Patriot missile kill). All other aircraft intercepted by the IAF have been unmanned drones from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, all shot down by F-15I's, F-16I's, F-35's, and SAMs.
- The Baz Meshupar certainly has not been replaced by the F-16I nor the F-35, and is still Israel's primary air superiority fighter. It is currently expected to remain so until at least 2040.
For more information, please also consult the new history chapter I've just submitted. --Headrock (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
