M-17

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M-17
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Description

The M-class, M-17 is a rank IV German sub-chaser with a battle rating of 3.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Direct Hit".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower15 / 15 / 0 mm
Hull16 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section5
Displacement874 t
Crew84 people

The M-17's armour is decent for its rank, able to shrug off small to medium-calibre rounds from torpedo boats. However when facing larger-calibre guns from other gun boats and destroyers the armour lacks protection, especially the turrets which can be disabled easily. The fuel tanks are located in the centre of the hull and can result in frequent fires. However it can still take many large destroyer rounds to destroy the ship as the crew is spread out. It is preferred to upgrade the armour for even better crew and ammo rack protection.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB51 / 19 km/h
RB34 / 13 km/h
Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 51 19
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 34 13

The M-17 is very sluggish to accelerate and turn. Manoeuvres must be planned well in advance to avoid torpedoes and running aground. It is recommended to upgrade the rudder first to improve turn time as well as the engine, propeller and crew to improve both acceleration and deceleration and make it a more potent gunship.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 600 → 4 590 Sl icon.png
RB5 400 → 6 885 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications166 900 Rp icon.png
260 800 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 900 Ge icon.png
Crew training100 000 Sl icon.png
Experts360 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 400 Ge icon.png
Research Aces620 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
100 / 160 / 100 % Sl icon.png
184 / 184 / 184 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
Research:
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Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Rudder Replacement
Research:
6 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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Propeller Replacement
Research:
8 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Engine Maintenance
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
380 Ge icon.png
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Tool Set
Research:
8 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Fire Protection System
Research:
6 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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Smokescreen
Research:
6 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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Shrapnel Protection
Research:
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Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Ventilation
Research:
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Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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New Pumps
Research:
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Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
380 Ge icon.png
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Ammo Wetting
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
380 Ge icon.png
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20 mm HET magazines
Research:
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Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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105mm_germany_skc32_navy_base_fuse_he_ammo_pack
Research:
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Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
6 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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20 mm APT magazines
Research:
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Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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Research:
6 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
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Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
8 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Improved Rangefinder
Research:
8 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
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Bomb mortar
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
380 Ge icon.png
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Mines
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
380 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

2 х Turret10.5 cm SK C/32 cannon
Ammunition100 rounds
Vertical guidance-10° / 70°
Main article: SK C/32 (105 mm)

The two 10.5 cm main guns are very effective and have good reload time and muzzle velocity, able to knock out small boats in two or three well-placed hits. The upgraded armour-piercing L/4.4 Bd.Z is recommended for hardened targets such as armoured boats and gun ships but is not very effective on one-to-one with destroyers. The gun's horizontal traverse favours a broadside attack or angling about 45 degrees towards the target to minimise exposure.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z HE 20 20 20 20 20 20
Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z HE 42 34 25 20 20 20
Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z HE-TF 20 20 20 20 20 20
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z HE 785 15.1 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°
Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z HE 785 15.1 0.015 5 1,550 79° 80° 81°
Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z HE-TF 785 15.1 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°

Secondary armament

Turret4 x 2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 automatic cannon
Ammunition8000 rounds
Belt capacity40 rounds
Fire rate480 shots/min
2 х Turret2 cm/65 C/38 automatic cannon
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity40 rounds
Fire rate480 shots/min

The M-17 is fitted with multiple 20 mm Flak cannons which are effective against small boats and are accurate against low-flying aircraft less than 2.5 km away. The short reload time contributes to a large volume of fire that can repel enemy attacks. However, the main quad 20 mm is positioned towards the stern and cannot fire directly forwards and the front is only protected by the two port and starboard cannons.

  • Universal: AP-T · AP · HEF-T · HEF
  • 20 mm HET magazines: HEF · HEF-T · HEF · AP
  • 20 mm APT magazines: AP · AP-T · AP · HEF

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
HEF-T 2 2 2 2 2 2
AP 36 35 27 20 15 11
AP-T 36 35 27 20 15 11
HEF 2 2 2 2 2 2
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
HEF-T 835 0.12 0 0.1 10.54 79° 80° 81°
AP 785 0.15 - - - 47° 60° 65°
AP-T 785 0.15 - - - 47° 60° 65°
HEF 835 0.12 0 0.1 10.54 79° 80° 81°

Additional armament

Setup 14 x WBG depth charge
Setup 230 x EMC moored contact mine
Setup 34 x WBG depth charge
2 x EMC moored contact mine
Main articles: WBG depth charge, EMC mine

There are no light machine guns nor 37 mm cannons like the similar M-802. There is an upgrade to a powerful anti-submarine bomb mortar but its use is very limited and opportunistic in-game. The slow speed of the M-17 makes mines difficult to set up and use effectively.

Usage in battles

The M-17 is similar to the M-802 but without the reinforced engine armour or the torpedoes. As with most sub-chasers, it's slow and won't arrive first to the battlefield, but the ship has well armoured 105 mm main guns with enough fire power to hull break many ships or pen destroyers with base fuze HE in desperate scenarios. Facing destroyers is ill-advised as they have higher caliber guns in larger quantity.

This ship should be used at long range to allow for more time to react to smaller vessels as well as the torpedoes as the slow speed of this ship makes it a torpedo and artillery magnet. In a pinch, the vessel can litter a capture point with mines, albeit they require a lot of skill and patience to use and often act as an extra ammo rack prone to detonate. The high position of the player's angle of view makes spotting targets behind obstacles much easier.

To counter this vessel, the most vulnerable place is the bow where the ammo rack is. A single bomb or torpedo there is guaranteed to sink the vessel. The safest option would be swarming the M-17 as multiple ships at different flanks will overwhelm the ship easily.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Heavy-hitting main armament can knock out many coastal vessels
  • Coastal spawn allows the vehicle to face small vessels
  • Fast reload rate
  • High survivability
  • Can carry many mines

Cons:

  • Sluggish speed makes this ship vulnerable to torpedoes
  • Outgunned by destroyers
  • Massive/tall target
  • Low calibre AA is ineffective at long ranges

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Stettiner Oderwerke
Minesweepers 
M-class Type 1935  M-17

Germany sub-chasers
M-17 · M-802