M.D.452 IIC

This page is about the French jet fighter M.D.452 IIC. For the other version, see M.D.452 IIA.

M.D.452 IIC

M.D.452 IIA

Mystere IVA

M.D.452 IIC

M.D.452 IIA

Mystere IVA

France

V Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
8.7	8.3	8.7

Class:

Fighter

Jet fighter

Research:61 000

Purchase:340 000

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Description

The M.D.452 Mystere IIC pre-production is a rank V French jet fighter with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/SB) and 8.3 (RB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm".

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes

Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps

Max speed

at 0 m1 044 km/h

Turn time24 s

Max altitude13 000 m

EngineSNECMA Atar 101D3

TypeJet

Cooling systemAir

Take-off weight11 t

The MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. Its flight performance is balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the aircraft many options for evasive manoeuvres, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good against most enemies. The two fast-firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose tremendous firepower, if used with suitable ammunition.

Characteristics	Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - at sea level)		Max altitude (metres)	Turn time (seconds)		Rate of climb (metres/second)		Take-off run (metres)
	AB	RB		AB	RB	AB	RB
Stock	1,035	1,027	13000	26.3	26.9	32.9	31.1	800
Upgraded	???	1,044		??.?	24.8	??.?	40.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps	Take-off flaps	Landing flaps	Air brakes	Arrestor gear	Drogue chute
✓	✓	✓	✓	X	X

Limits
Wings (km/h)	Gear (km/h)	Flaps (km/h)			Max Static G
		Combat	Take-off	Landing	+	-
1108	450	627	598	450	~11	~4

Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons	Rudder	Elevators	Radiator
< 620	< 700	< 740	N/A

Engine performance

Engine			Aircraft mass
Engine name		Number	Empty mass		Wing loading (full fuel)
SNECMA Atar 101D3		1	5,900 kg		241 kg/m2
Engine characteristics			Mass with fuel (no weapons load)			Max Takeoff Weight
Weight (each)	Type		7m fuel	20m fuel	24m fuel
1,050 kg	Axial-flow turbojet		6,308 kg	7,067 kg	7,300 kg	10,500 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)			Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition	100%	WEP	7m fuel	20m fuel	24m fuel	MTOW
Stationary	2,911 kgf	N/A	0.46	0.41	0.40	0.28
Optimal	3,178 kgf (1,100 km/h)	N/A	0.50	0.45	0.44	0.30

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person

Speed of destruction

Structural1 108 km/h

Gear450 km/h

• 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
• 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
• 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB3 142 → 4 269

RB9 434 → 12 820

SB10 241 → 13 917

Total cost of modifications101 400

162 400

Talisman cost2 200

Crew training98 000

Experts340 000

Aces1 800

Research Aces780 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

120 / 380 / 600 %

202 / 202 / 202 %

Modifications

Flight performance	Survivability	Weaponry
Fuselage repair Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 Compressor Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 250 New boosters Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 250 Wings repair Research: 6 400 Cost: 10 000 280 Engine Research: 6 400 Cost: 10 000 280 G-suit Research: 11 000 Cost: 18 000 490	Airframe Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 250 Cover Research: 11 000 Cost: 18 000 490	aden_belt_pack Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 SBC-17 Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 250 aden_new_gun Research: 6 400 Cost: 10 000 280 LBC-25 Research: 6 400 Cost: 10 000 280 Matra SNEB Research: 11 000 Cost: 18 000 490

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannon

Ammunition300 rounds

Fire rate1 200 shots/min

The M.D.452 IIC is armed with:

• 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, belly-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just behind the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire together until empty.

This aircraft is the first of the French jets to use 30 mm DEFA canons, which are (as of Update 1.95) the best 30 mm guns in the game, with the highest shell velocity, rate of fire, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the "air targets" ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to loose a wing.

Suspended armament

List of setups (3)

Setup 12 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bomb

Setup 22 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bomb

Setup 338 x SNEB type 23 rockets

The M.D.452 IIC can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

• Without load
• 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
• 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
• 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets

The ordnance of the M.D.452 IIC gives it the ability to engage ground targets, but limits its manoeuvrability greatly and should generally not be used in Air RB except as a late game last resort. In mixed battles, the SNEB rockets can be an excellent anti-tank weapon for CAS, and the aircraft inserts well in the French BR 8.3 line-up.

Usage in battles

The M.D.452 IIC is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, the option of turnfighting becomes available, although speed will be bled at a relatively high rate. Still, like the predecessors of the Mystère II, boom & zooming should remain the first choice in engagements. Control stiffening doesn't appear under around 1,000-1,050 km/h, and devastating armament will take out an enemy target in a single pass. Furthermore, top speed in level flight is slightly below average, justifying even more that tactic.

Overall, the Mystère IIC should be considered as buffed Ouragan/Barougan, increasing drastically the top speed, armament, and manoeuvrability parameters.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
• High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
• Good turn rate between 550 kph and 800 kph
• Decent climb rate
• Payloads can include bombs or rockets
• More effective air brake than its predecessors
• A lot of ammo for only 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons
• Guns being mounted under the nose makes it easy to head on planes upside down
• DEFA cannons can easily down a plane with 1 to 3 HE rounds striking

Cons:

• Slightly slower to other contemporary aircraft
• Poor horizontal energy retention compared to its predecessors
• Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult, forcing a return to base for repairs

History

The M.D.452 Mystere was a swept-wing air superiority fighter developed by Dassault Aviation, derived from the M.D.450 Ouragan. The aircraft combined the fuselage of the Ouragan with a new swept-wing, enabling it to reach much faster speeds than its predecessor. In 1951, the Mystere IIA became the first French-designed plane to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive. Later on, the M.D.452 IIC would enter service with the French Air force, and serve until 1957, when it was relegated to training duties.

Design and Development

The M.D.452 Mystere was originally designed as an advanced variant of the preceding M.D.450 Ouragan, with a new wing section and engine. In 1950, Marcel Dassault, the head of the Dassault aviation firm, signed a contract to produce an M.D.450 Ouragan with a new thinner wing section. The aircraft had a wing swept back at 30 degrees compared to the Ouragan's 14 degrees, and was powered by a license-built version of the Rolls-Royce Nene. During tests, the aircraft showed significantly better climb rate and top speed, being capable of reaching transonic speeds. After four prototypes, the M.D.452 IIA was developed, carrying four 20 mm M50 (Hispano-derived) cannons and the Rolls-Royce Tay engine. On October 28th 1951, a Mystere IIA Became the first French aircraft to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive.

However, the M.D.452 IIA failed to enter service, as it was rapidly replaced by the M.D.452 IIB and IIC. The IIB and IIC retained the wing and fuselage of the IIA, while featuring a new intake design and a pair of 30 mm DEFA cannons in place of the IIA's four M50s. The new IIC was re-engined with a SNECMA Atar turbojet, capable of producing 25 kN of thrust. The M.D.452 IIC would later go on to enter service, serving between 1954 and 1963.

Operational Service

In 1954, the French Air service placed an order for 150 M.D.452 IIC aircraft, which were delivered between 1954 and 1957. These aircraft carried a SNECMA Atar 101-D (producing 29 kN thrust), but were otherwise identical to the IIC prototypes. In total, 171 Dassault Mysteres were built, including prototypes of the IIA, IIB and IIC variants. By the time of the last deliveries, the aircraft was already being relegated to advanced training duties; the rapid pace of aviation technology during the 1950s led to the aircraft rapidly becoming obsolete. The last M.D. 452 IIC was retired from training duties in 1963, after 9 years of service with the French Air Force.

Media

The Shooting Range #97 - Pages of History section at 06:04 discusses the Dassault Mystère II.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

• reference to the series of the aircraft;
• links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

• Official data sheet - more details about the performance