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This page is about the French Destroyer Guichen. For other versions, see Capitani Romani (Family).
Guichen
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Guichen
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4.3 4.3 4.3
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Description

The French cruiser Guichen was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano', an Italian cruiser of the Capitani Romani-class, before being transferred to France as war reparations. After her launch in January 1941 and commissioning in April 1943, she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boat, making it the first and only time during WW2 when an Italian warship successfully used surface search radar to sink an enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried new Prime Minister Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which she spent the rest of the war assisting Allied warships.

After the end of World War II, the cruiser moved to La Spezia, where in 1948 she was removed from the fleet list and renamed S.7 and after being moved to Toulon, she was transferred to France and renamed Guichen in honour of Admiral Luc Urbain du Buexic, Count of Guichen. In 1949, the cruiser took part in the return of the French gold reserve back to France. In 1957, Guichen became the flagship of the Atlantic Light Fleet. By 1963, she was disarmed and used as a training ship. She was decommissioned in June 1976, then sold for scrap in January 1982.

Chateaurenault-class, Guichen (D607), 1957 was introduced in Update "Seek & Destroy" in her 1957 refit. Despite her size, she is best played similarly to an anti-air destroyer. Lacking a sufficient number of high-calibre main guns, she may struggle in a 1v1 even against destroyers. Her role is primarily in second-line defence, assisting friendly vessels with her excellent anti-air and anti-coastal capability.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower20 / 10 / 0 mm
Hull25 mm (steel)
Superstructure8 mm (steel)
Number of section8
Displacement5 500 t
Crew353 people

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Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB88 / 35 km/h
RB72 / 29 km/h

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Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 88 35
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 72 29

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB1 904 → 2 427 Sl icon.png
RB2 959 → 3 772 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications13 850 Rp icon.png
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Talisman cost860 Ge icon.png
Crew training9 200 Sl icon.png
Experts32 000 Sl icon.png
Aces320 Ge icon.png
Research Aces250 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
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130 / 130 / 130 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
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Rudder Replacement
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Propeller Replacement
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Engine Maintenance
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Damage Control Division
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Fire Division
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Smokescreen
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Shrapnel Protection
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Ventilation
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New Pumps
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Ammo Wetting
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
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Primary Armament Targeting
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Improved Rangefinder
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Armament

Primary armament

3 х Turret2 x 10.5 cm/60 SK C/33 AA cannon
Ammunition840 rounds
Vertical guidance-8° / 80°
Main article: SK C/33 AA (105 mm)

Guichen's main armament is not the 138.6 mm guns found on prior French destroyers, but instead the German 10.5 cm/60 SK C/33 cannon found as secondary armament on German heavy cruisers and battleships. These guns feature a very high rate of fire at 17 rounds per minute with an aced crew, or around 15 rounds per minute with a basic crew. When shooting at surface ships, high explosive is still effective against surface modules like gun turrets and rangefinders, but the low penetration means damaging modules deep within the ship like engines and boilers will be difficult. Against cruisers, the thickness of their hull (25 mm steel) means that the HE shells will do very little damage, and will also be stopped by any armour belt.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z HE 20 20 20 20 20 20
Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z HE-TF 20 20 20 20 20 20
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z HE 900 15.1 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°
Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z HE-TF 900 15.1 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°

Secondary armament

5 х Turret2 x 57 mm/60 ACAD Mle 1951
Ammunition3000 rounds

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
100 m 1,000 m 2,000 m 3,000 m 4,000 m 5,000 m
Mle 1951 HE HEF-I* 7 7 7 7 7 7
Shell details
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Velocity
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Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
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Fuse sensitivity
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Explosive mass
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Ricochet
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Mle 1951 HE HEF-I* 865 2.96 0 0.1 340 79° 80° 81°

Additional armament

Setup 112 x 550 mm L3 torpedo
Main article: L3 (550 mm)

Guichen has twelve L3 torpedoes in four triple launchers located near the bridge. There are two launchers on each side of the ship, with decent firing arcs. Despite being anti-submarine torpedoes, they have a decent warhead weight of 200 kg TNT. However, these torpedoes are both short-ranged and fairly slow, with a maximum speed of 46 km/h and a maximum range of 5 kilometres. This means that these torpedoes are best used in close-quarters combat around islands.

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

Pros:

  • All guns have a high rate of fire
  • Search Radar
  • Fire Directors have a 3 second update interval
  • 57 mm guns do not overheat

Cons:

  • Torpedoes only have a 5 km range, with no "Torpedo Mode" modification
  • Lacks SAP or AP shells
  • Only the main guns have Timed-Fuse shells, and the ship lacks a tracking radar

History

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See also

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  *RN Duca d'Aosta before war reparation to the USSR
  **RN Scipione Africano before war reparation to France
  ***Previously ‘’Cantieri navali Odero’’ in Genoa-Sestri Ponente
  ****Built for the USSR

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Chateaurenault-class**  Guichen
  * Modified Type 1934A-class destroyers
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