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== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.71 "New E.R.A"]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 10 mm (76°), 20 mm (46°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 5 mm (46°) ''Engine grille'' <br> 20 mm (44°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 10 mm (46°) ''Crew ports'' || 10 mm (25°) ''Top'' <br> 10 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (26°) ''Top'' <br> 10 mm (15°) ''Bottom'' || 5 mm
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|-
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| Turret || 20 mm (41°) ''Turret front'' <br> 20 mm (5-46°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 10 mm (22-24°) || 10 mm (24°) || N/A
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|-
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick and tracks are 30 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 5 mm thick.
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* A 10 mm structural steel plate covers the engine from the crew.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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== Weaponry ==
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=== Main weaponry ===
 
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=== Additional weaponry ===
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|PaK 43 (88 mm)}}
  
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=== Machine guns ===
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|-
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! colspan="6" | [[PaK 43 (88 mm)|88 mm PaK 43]]
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|-
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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|-
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -8°/+45° || ±180° || N/A
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|-
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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|-
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| ''Arcade'' || 12.33 || 17.06 || __.__ || __.__ || 24.38
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|-
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| ''Realistic'' || 8.33 || 9.80 || __.__ || __.__ || 14.00
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| 11.05 || __.__ || __.__ || 8.50
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|-
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|}
  
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== Usage in the battles ==
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
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! 10m
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! 100m
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! 500m
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! 1000m
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! 1500m
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! 2000m
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| PzGr 39/43 || APCBC ||237|| 234 ||222|| 207 ||194||181
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| Sprgr. L/4,5 || HE || 13 || 13 || 12 ||12||12||12
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| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110
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| PzGr 40/43 || APCR || 272 || 270 || 250 || 228 || 208 || 189
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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! 50%
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! 100%
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| PzGr 39/43 || APCBC || 1000 || 10.16 || 0.8 || 28 || 108.8 || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
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| Sprgr. L/4,5 || HE || 820 || 9 || 0.1 || 0.5 || 698 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 600 || 7.64 || 0.0 || 0.3 || 1,100 || +0° || 62° || 69° || 73°
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| PzGr 40/43 || APCR || 1,130 || 7.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 66° || 70° || 72°
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|-
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|}
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===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|x250px|right|thumbnail|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the Waffenträger.]]
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" width="10%" |Recommendations
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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|| '''30''' || 26&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 16&nbsp;''(+14)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+29)'' || style="text-align:left" | Right side empty: 21&nbsp;''(+9)'' || style="text-align:left" | No
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|}
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== Usage in battles ==
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Best way to use this tank is to stay hidden and keep your distance, only expose yourself when you want to shoot and try to stay unnoticed as much as possible. This tank doesn't have any machine guns coverage, so always try to one shot the SPAAGs otherwise you will become an easy target.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
  
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'''Pros:'''
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* 88 mm PaK 43 gun power can destroy any vehicle it meets
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* Full rotating turret with the powerful gun
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* Decent -8° gun depression for hull-down positions
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* Low profile construction makes the vehicle easily conceal
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* Suspension and tracks cover a good portion of the lower side hull for protection
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* All AP and APHE shells over-pierce the tank without dealing much damage due to the very thin armour
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
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* Open-top turret crew vulnerable to shrapnel, machine guns, air strikes, artillery, and such
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* Gun recoil can jump the vehicle dramatically, throwing off the aim and bouncing the vehicle position
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* Very thin overall armour of between 10-20 mm
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* 5 mm roof armour means an aerial attack is deadly
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* 5 mm belly armour makes any HE shots able to penetrate through the bottom
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* Front-mounted engine and transmission means both can be knocked out with a front shot, immobilizing the vehicle
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* Poor acceleration
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== History ==
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===Development===
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In as early as 1942, the German Wehrmacht was looking for a way to make large anti-tank guns easier to deploy and transport, but also should be able to fire the gun and fight on the front lines. Four major German companies (Krupp, Rheinmetall, Borsig, and Ardelt) took part in a tender of the Waffenamt (German Army Weapons Agency) in 1943 for the project. Then, in April 1944, the four companies presented their prototypes. With Krupp and Steyr working together on a design, and Rheinmetall and Borsig on their own. Both designs envisaged placing the 8.8 cm PaK 43 L / 71 in a lightly armoured, upwardly open, rotatable tower mounted on a hull of a Raupenschlepper Ost (a tracked artillery mover) to keep costs down and reduce complexity. However, the decision was made for the prototype of the last company, Ardelt, therefore making the Krupp-Steyr design unwanted by the Waffenamt.
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===Combat usage===
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Due to the design losing the tender, the tank never saw mass production or combat service. Only one wooden model and one prototype were manufactured on September 2, 1944.
  
 
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* [[wt:en/news/4902-development-krupp-steyr-waffentr%C3%A4ger-a-deadly-surprise-en|[Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> Krupp-Steyr Waffenträger - A Deadly Surprise]]
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{{Germany tank destroyers}}

Revision as of 20:58, 28 February 2020

Rank 6 USA
F-5C Pack
Waffenträger
germ_waffentrager_krupp_steyr.png
Waffenträger
Germany flag.png Germany
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.7 5.7 5.7
Class:
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Purchase:135 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

GarageImage Waffentrager.jpg


The Waffenträger Krupp-Steyr mit Pak 43 is a rank III German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.71 "New E.R.A".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 10 mm (76°), 20 mm (46°) Front glacis
5 mm (46°) Engine grille
20 mm (44°) Lower glacis
10 mm (46°) Crew ports 		10 mm (25°) Top
10 mm Bottom 		10 mm (26°) Top
10 mm (15°) Bottom 		5 mm
Turret 20 mm (41°) Turret front
20 mm (5-46°) Gun mantlet 		10 mm (22-24°) 10 mm (24°) N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick and tracks are 30 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 5 mm thick.
  • A 10 mm structural steel plate covers the engine from the crew.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 38 8 16.3 199 267 12.21 16.38
Realistic 35 7 124 140 7.61 8.59

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: PaK 43 (88 mm)
88 mm PaK 43
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -8°/+45° ±180° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 12.33 17.06 __.__ __.__ 24.38
Realistic 8.33 9.80 __.__ __.__ 14.00
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
11.05 __.__ __.__ 8.50
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 90°
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
PzGr 39/43 APCBC 237 234 222 207 194 181
Sprgr. L/4,5 HE 13 13 12 12 12 12
Hl.Gr 39 HEAT 110 110 110 110 110 110
PzGr 40/43 APCR 272 270 250 228 208 189
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
PzGr 39/43 APCBC 1000 10.16 0.8 28 108.8 +4° 48° 63° 71°
Sprgr. L/4,5 HE 820 9 0.1 0.5 698 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Hl.Gr 39 HEAT 600 7.64 0.0 0.3 1,100 +0° 62° 69° 73°
PzGr 40/43 APCR 1,130 7.3 N/A N/A N/A +1.5° 66° 70° 72°
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Waffenträger.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		Recommendations Visual
discrepancy
30 26 (+4) 21 (+9) 16 (+14) 11 (+19) 1 (+29) Right side empty: 21 (+9) No

Usage in battles

Best way to use this tank is to stay hidden and keep your distance, only expose yourself when you want to shoot and try to stay unnoticed as much as possible. This tank doesn't have any machine guns coverage, so always try to one shot the SPAAGs otherwise you will become an easy target.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 88 mm PaK 43 gun power can destroy any vehicle it meets
  • Full rotating turret with the powerful gun
  • Decent -8° gun depression for hull-down positions
  • Low profile construction makes the vehicle easily conceal
  • Suspension and tracks cover a good portion of the lower side hull for protection
  • All AP and APHE shells over-pierce the tank without dealing much damage due to the very thin armour

Cons:

  • Open-top turret crew vulnerable to shrapnel, machine guns, air strikes, artillery, and such
  • Gun recoil can jump the vehicle dramatically, throwing off the aim and bouncing the vehicle position
  • Very thin overall armour of between 10-20 mm
  • 5 mm roof armour means an aerial attack is deadly
  • 5 mm belly armour makes any HE shots able to penetrate through the bottom
  • Front-mounted engine and transmission means both can be knocked out with a front shot, immobilizing the vehicle
  • Poor acceleration

History

Development

In as early as 1942, the German Wehrmacht was looking for a way to make large anti-tank guns easier to deploy and transport, but also should be able to fire the gun and fight on the front lines. Four major German companies (Krupp, Rheinmetall, Borsig, and Ardelt) took part in a tender of the Waffenamt (German Army Weapons Agency) in 1943 for the project. Then, in April 1944, the four companies presented their prototypes. With Krupp and Steyr working together on a design, and Rheinmetall and Borsig on their own. Both designs envisaged placing the 8.8 cm PaK 43 L / 71 in a lightly armoured, upwardly open, rotatable tower mounted on a hull of a Raupenschlepper Ost (a tracked artillery mover) to keep costs down and reduce complexity. However, the decision was made for the prototype of the last company, Ardelt, therefore making the Krupp-Steyr design unwanted by the Waffenamt.

Combat usage

Due to the design losing the tender, the tank never saw mass production or combat service. Only one wooden model and one prototype were manufactured on September 2, 1944.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Germany tank destroyers
Pz. I Derivatives  Panzerjäger I
Pz. II Derivatives  15cm sIG 33 B Sfl
Pz. 38(t) Derivatives  Marder III · Marder III H · Jagdpanzer 38(t)
Pz. III Derivatives  StuG III A · StuG III F · StuG III G · StuH 42 G
Pz. IV Derivatives  Jagdpanzer IV · Panzer IV/70(A) · Panzer IV/70(V) · Dicker Max · Nashorn · Brummbär · VFW
Pz. V Derivatives  Jagdpanther G1 · Bfw. Jagdpanther G1
Pz. VI Derivatives  Sturer Emil · Elefant · Ferdinand · 38 cm Sturmmörser · Jagdtiger
Wheeled/Half-track  8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl. · Sd.Kfz.251/9 · Sd.Kfz.251/10 · Sd.Kfz.251/22 · Sd.Kfz.234/3 · Sd.Kfz.234/4 · 15 cm Pz.W.42
ATGM Carrier  RakJPz 2 · RakJPz 2 (HOT) · Wiesel 1A2
Other  Waffenträger · M109G · JPz 4-5 · Raketenautomat · VT1-2

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