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== Description ==
 
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The Type 87 is a Rank VI Japanese Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun with a battle rating of 8.0. It is incredibly similar to the German Flakpanzer Gepard, using the same 35mm Oerlikon KDA Autocannons with a similar turret. The key difference being that the Type 87 uses the chassis of a Type 90, compared to the Gepard being on the Leopard 1 chassis.
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The '''{{Specs|name}} is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]]. It is incredibly similar to the German Flakpanzer Gepard, using the same 35mm Oerlikon KDA Autocannons with a similar turret. The key difference being that the Type 87 uses the chassis of a Type 90, compared to the Gepard being on the Leopard 1 chassis.
  
 
The Type 87 performs fairly well at its rank, being able to effectively engage aircraft quite well thanks to its high rate of fire, quick turret traverse and radar systems. It is also capable of fighting lightly armoured tanks such as most infantry fighting vehicles (BMP, Warrior, M3 Bradley) and effectively killing them in seconds with its rapid fire guns. The Type 87's default belts have less penetration than its predecessor, the M42 Duster SDF, although this is not much of a difference (72mm on M42 compared to 68mm on Type 87), however the Type 87 gains the ability to fight other MBTs when it unlocks the Armour Piercing belts, which have 116mm of penetration at 100m. While this is not advised, it is an incredibly handy ability to have in an emergency.
 
The Type 87 performs fairly well at its rank, being able to effectively engage aircraft quite well thanks to its high rate of fire, quick turret traverse and radar systems. It is also capable of fighting lightly armoured tanks such as most infantry fighting vehicles (BMP, Warrior, M3 Bradley) and effectively killing them in seconds with its rapid fire guns. The Type 87's default belts have less penetration than its predecessor, the M42 Duster SDF, although this is not much of a difference (72mm on M42 compared to 68mm on Type 87), however the Type 87 gains the ability to fight other MBTs when it unlocks the Armour Piercing belts, which have 116mm of penetration at 100m. While this is not advised, it is an incredibly handy ability to have in an emergency.
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Aluminum Alloy AMS 4050A (Turret)
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Hull || 30 mm (78°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 30 mm (21-63°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm || 20 mm (16°) ''Top'' <br> 20 mm (49°) ''Bottom'' || 15 mm
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| Turret || 25 mm (6-37°) <br> 20 mm (76°) ''Turret underside'' || 20 mm ''Turret side'' <br> 10 mm ''Cannons'' || 15 mm (3°) || 15 mm <br> 20 mm (69°) ''Turret underside''
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=== Mobility ===
 
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! Weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armor<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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| rowspan="2" | 30.5 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 50 (AB)
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|45 (RB/SB)
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|''Arcade''
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|1,023
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|637
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|720
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|''Arcade''
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|16.76
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|18.95
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|}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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=== Additional armament ===
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===Radars===
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{{main|MPDR 12|Albis}}
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The Type 87 is equipped with a [[MPDR 12]] search radar and an [[Albis]] tracking radar. Both radars are mounted at the rear of the turret, with the search radar mounted on top of an arm and the tracking radar mounted at the base of the arm. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret. It is not possible to fold the radars at this time.
  
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! colspan="5" | [[MPDR 12]] - Target Detection Radar
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! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The range, below which, a target cannot be detected}}
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! {{Annotation|Max Azimuth<br/>Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
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! {{Annotation|Max Elevation<br/>Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>relative speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be detectable by the radar}}
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| 15,000 m || 500 m || 360° || ??? || 10 m/s (36 km/h)
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! colspan="5" | [[Albis]] - Target Tracking Radar
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! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}}
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! {{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking<br/>Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}}
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! {{Annotation|Elevation Tracking<br/>Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}}
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>target speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be tracked by the radar}}
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| 15,000 m || 75 m || ±100° || -20°/+85° || 15 m/s (54 km/h)
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== Usage in the battles ==
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As an Anti-Aircraft vehicle, you should push with your team and defend cap points while protecting them from aircraft with your powerful 35 mm guns. It should not be a problem to stay away from main battle unless you are being pushed or being overran. Here you should then aim for cannon barrels and tracks of enemy vehicles. Your hull armour may deflect inbound shots if angled correctly, but don't expect you turret to do the same, its armor is very thin and generally will be penetrated by everything at your battle rating and tier. Keep in mind you are a hull breakable vehicle so don't get hit By HEAT-FS rounds or in the engine compartment area.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros'''
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* Powerful, fast firing 35mm twin Oerlikon KDA cannon
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* Quick with the Type 74 chassis, up to 58 km/h
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* [[Hydropneumatic suspension]] with the Type 74 chassis
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* Can engage tanks from their sides
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'''Cons:'''
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* -5 degrees of gun depression (bad compared to the Flakpanzer Gepard)
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* 30mm armor maximum
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* Any other ammunition belt other than the default costs 6600 silver lions
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* You can only have one belt selected with a meager ammo count
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* Spinning radar dish may be of nuisance in tank realistic battles
  
 
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[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=jp_type_87 '''Skins''' and '''camouflages''' for the Type 87 from live.warthunder.com.]
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
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{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}
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Revision as of 18:20, 3 May 2019

Rank VI USA | Premium | Golden Eagles
A-10A Thunderbolt (Early)
Type 87
jp_type_87.png
Type 87
Japan flag.png Japan
VI Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
8.3 8.3 8.3
Class:
Research:135 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:380 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

GarageImage Type 87.jpg


The Twin 35 mm Self-Propelled Gun Type 87 is a Rank VI Japanese Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun with a battle rating of 8.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.67 "Assault". It is incredibly similar to the German Flakpanzer Gepard, using the same 35mm Oerlikon KDA Autocannons with a similar turret. The key difference being that the Type 87 uses the chassis of a Type 90, compared to the Gepard being on the Leopard 1 chassis.

The Type 87 performs fairly well at its rank, being able to effectively engage aircraft quite well thanks to its high rate of fire, quick turret traverse and radar systems. It is also capable of fighting lightly armoured tanks such as most infantry fighting vehicles (BMP, Warrior, M3 Bradley) and effectively killing them in seconds with its rapid fire guns. The Type 87's default belts have less penetration than its predecessor, the M42 Duster SDF, although this is not much of a difference (72mm on M42 compared to 68mm on Type 87), however the Type 87 gains the ability to fight other MBTs when it unlocks the Armour Piercing belts, which have 116mm of penetration at 100m. While this is not advised, it is an incredibly handy ability to have in an emergency.

The Type 87 is also extremely proficient at shooting down helicopters - the AH-1G is a common nuisance that the Type 87 has no difficulty in destroying.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Aluminum Alloy AMS 4050A (Turret)
  • Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 30 mm (78°) Front glacis
30 mm (21-63°) Lower glacis 		20 mm 20 mm (16°) Top
20 mm (49°) Bottom 		15 mm
Turret 25 mm (6-37°)
20 mm (76°) Turret underside 		20 mm Turret side
10 mm Cannons 		15 mm (3°) 15 mm
20 mm (69°) Turret underside

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armor
weight (tons) 		Max speed (km/h)
30.5 N/A 50 (AB)
45 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 1,023 ____
Realistic/Simulator 637 720
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 26.92 __.__
Realistic/Simulator 16.76 18.95

Armaments

Main armament

Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: {{main|Name of the weapon}}. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.

Radars

Main articles: MPDR 12, Albis

The Type 87 is equipped with a MPDR 12 search radar and an Albis tracking radar. Both radars are mounted at the rear of the turret, with the search radar mounted on top of an arm and the tracking radar mounted at the base of the arm. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret. It is not possible to fold the radars at this time.

MPDR 12 - Target Detection Radar
Maximum
Detection
Range 		Minimum
Detection
Range 		Max Azimuth
Scan Angle 		Max Elevation
Scan Angle 		Minimum
relative speed
15,000 m 500 m 360°  ??? 10 m/s (36 km/h)
Albis - Target Tracking Radar
Maximum
Tracking
Range 		Minimum
Tracking
Range 		Azimuth Tracking
Angle 		Elevation Tracking
Angle 		Minimum
target speed
15,000 m 75 m ±100° -20°/+85° 15 m/s (54 km/h)

Usage in battles

As an Anti-Aircraft vehicle, you should push with your team and defend cap points while protecting them from aircraft with your powerful 35 mm guns. It should not be a problem to stay away from main battle unless you are being pushed or being overran. Here you should then aim for cannon barrels and tracks of enemy vehicles. Your hull armour may deflect inbound shots if angled correctly, but don't expect you turret to do the same, its armor is very thin and generally will be penetrated by everything at your battle rating and tier. Keep in mind you are a hull breakable vehicle so don't get hit By HEAT-FS rounds or in the engine compartment area.

Pros and cons

Pros

  • Powerful, fast firing 35mm twin Oerlikon KDA cannon
  • Quick with the Type 74 chassis, up to 58 km/h
  • Hydropneumatic suspension with the Type 74 chassis
  • Can engage tanks from their sides

Cons

  • -5 degrees of gun depression (bad compared to the Flakpanzer Gepard)
  • 30mm armor maximum
  • Any other ammunition belt other than the default costs 6600 silver lions
  • You can only have one belt selected with a meager ammo count
  • Spinning radar dish may be of nuisance in tank realistic battles

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.

Media

Skins and camouflages for the Type 87 from live.warthunder.com.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Japan anti-aircraft vehicles
Ke-Ni Derivatives  Ta-Se · So-Ki
Wheeled  Type 94
Tracked  SUB-I-II
Radar SPAAG  Type 87
Missile SPAA  Type 93 · Type 81 (C)
USA  ▅M16 MGMC · ▅M19A1 · ▅M42

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