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Type 65 is a Chinese and North Vietnamese SPAAG created during the mid 60's used in the Vietnam war. Based on a T-34-85 hull from the Soviet Union, With a open top box turret that is mounting dual 37mm Type 65 guns from the Chinese. 
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'''Type 65''' is a Chinese and North Vietnamese SPAAG created during the mid 60's used in the Vietnam war. Based on a T-34-85 hull from the Soviet Union, With a open top box turret that is mounting a dual 37mm [[Type 65 (37 mm)|Type 65]] gun from the Chinese. 
  
 
 It's likely that the NVA improvised this build during the Vietnam war, Since North Vietnam invested heavily in Anti-Air weaponary to combat the US air support.
 
 It's likely that the NVA improvised this build during the Vietnam war, Since North Vietnam invested heavily in Anti-Air weaponary to combat the US air support.
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Latest revision as of 18:35, 28 October 2019

▂Type 65
ussr_type_65_aa.png
AB
RB
SB
General characteristics
Brief
Detailed
5.3/5.3/5.3BR
SPAAClass
5 peopleCrew
300 %Visibility
front / side / backArmour
45 / 45 / 45Hull
0 / 15 / 0Turret
Mobility
25.0 tWeight
954 hp500 hpEngine power
38 hp/t20 hp/tSurface density
59 km/h forward
9 km/h back
54 km/h forward
8 km/h back
Speed
Armament
2 x 37 mm Type 65 cannonMain weapon
390 roundsAmmunition
1.0 / 1.3 sReload
5 roundsBelt capacity
160 shots/minFire rate
-5° / 85°Vertical guidance
Economy
Sl icon.png3 000/2 320/7 040Repair
10 000 Sl icon.pngCrew training
290 000 Sl icon.pngExperts
710 Ge icon.pngAces
× (166 + 100 Talisman.png) % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
× 1.6 × 2 Talisman.png Sl icon.png× 1.1 × 2 Talisman.png Sl icon.png× 1.0 × 2 Talisman.png Sl icon.png
This page is about the Russian SPAA Type 65 (USSR). For vehicle in the Chinese tree, see Type 65. For vehicles using the T-34 chassis, see T-34 (Family).

Description

Type 65 is a Chinese and North Vietnamese SPAAG created during the mid 60's used in the Vietnam war. Based on a T-34-85 hull from the Soviet Union, With a open top box turret that is mounting a dual 37mm Type 65 gun from the Chinese. 

 It's likely that the NVA improvised this build during the Vietnam war, Since North Vietnam invested heavily in Anti-Air weaponary to combat the US air support.

It was introduced for the Operation S.U.M.M.E.R in July 28 2017 as a upcoming Russian event vehicle with a BR of 5.3 filling the gap between 4.7-7.7 BR of the Russian SPAA line

In game it's easily recognized because of the box shaped and open turret on a T-34-85 hull and lacking of a single 85mm main armarment, it also have a higher profile than a regular T-34-85.

The ▂Type 65 is a gift rank III Russian SPAA with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced during Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica" as a reward for the 2017 Operation S.U.M.M.E.R. event.

General info

Survivability and armour

The armor of Type 65 turret is a easy target to penetrate with it consisting of only 15mm all-around armor it makes it easy to disable with most type of shells that it might face and machine guns are a danger for it too with the 12.7mm caliber able to penetrate that thin armor even smaller machine guns can disable the turret. Mainly because the front of the turret got gaps for the gunner and commander where the bullets can easily find it’s way in and damage the crew. With is being a open top SPAA makes it as many other open SPAA making it a tasty snack for aircraft machineguns and cannons. One of the drawbacks with the Type 65 is that 80% of it’s crew sits in the turret, 2 of them looking up from the turret making them extremly vulnerable to machinegun fire.

The hull is more well armored like a T-34-85 and it's strongest armor is the front hull armor, It's missing the hull mounted machine gun that there is on the T-34-85 making it have a exposed hole on the front left hull when facing it, it’s a trap shot location so it would be best to try angle the tank to remove the open machinegun port for easy access for enemy Shells.

Mobility

Mobility of the Type 65 is good at its battle rank, easy to manouver at off-road and on road. It got similar mobility charastic as the normal Russian T-34-85 with a engine that creates 500hp at 1800RPM giving it a top speed of 55km/h (34mph).

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on armour
weight (tons)
Max speed (km/h)
25.0 N/A 60(AB
55(RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 710 874
Realistic/Simulator 442 500
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade  ??.??  ??.??
Realistic/Simulator  ??.??  ??.??

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: Type 65 (37 mm)
37 mm Type 65
Capacity Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Stabilizer
390 -5°/+85° ±180° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior +
Full crew
Prior +
Expert qualif.
Prior +
Ace qualif.
Arcade 52.8 88.8  ??.??  ??.?? ??.??
Realistic 35.7 51.0  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior +
Full crew
Prior +
Expert qualif.
Prior +
Ace qualif.
1.3  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 90° (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-167 AP-T 71 68 57 46 37 30
BR-167P HVAP-T 102 95 80 59 35 28
UO-167 HEFI-T 3 3 3 3 3 3
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-167 AP-T 880 0.76 N/A N/A N/A -1.0° 47° 60° 65°
BR-167P HVAP-T 960 0.62 N/A N/A N/A +1.5° 66° 70° 72°
UO-167 HEFI-T 866 0.735 0.2 0.1 34 +0.0° 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
390  ?? (+??)  ?? (+??)  ?? (+??)  ?? (+??)  ?? (+??)  ?? (+??)  ??

Optics

Type 65 (USSR) Optics
Default magnification Maximum magnification
Main Gun optics X3.8 X4.0
Comparable optics  ???

Usage in battles

Type 65 is an excellent Self-propelled Anti-Air tank, But also a great tank for ambushes on enemy side and rear armor. Be aware that all the tanks and aircrafts it will oppose are deadly opponents to it, with an exposed crew like it have makes it a easy target from both air and ground.

Type 65 is an excellent Self-propelled Anti-Air tank, It’s slow dual 37mm guns make it hard to hit fast low flying targets if you are not a good shot with a SPAA that will be removed. It’s mobility and speed combined with the fast turret rotation makes it a deadly opponent for the enemy if ambushed or flanked.

One way to tactically use the Type 65 is stay behind the main force and cover them from possible air threats or light flanking tanks. Its dual 37mm will make quick work of the air and lighter tanks that you will face. Another way is when enemy players are distracted by your teams player you can use your speed and manouverbility to flank around and hit them from the side or rear with AP-T or HVAP-T rounds.They will deal with most side armor.

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using certain definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

  • Good shells
  • Fast turret rotation
  • Powerful engine for the weight ratio
  • Cheap to repair


Cons:

  • Majority of crew exposed to Sharpnel, Machinegun and Artillery fire
  • High profile
  • Exposed gun breech
  • Open Turret


History

The Type 65 Self Propelled Anti Aircraft Gun is a bit of an enigma, as no official documentation exists concerning its design or construction. Even today, almost half a century after the type first became known, little is known about it - so perhaps it is best to first focus on what little is known about this unique T-34-based SPAAG.

During the 1972 Spring-Summer Offensive of the Vietnam War, a single example of a SPAAG was captured by the 4th Infantry Regiment of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam on August 13th 1972. This vehicle was subsequently transferred to the United States military, who eventually shipped it to the Aberdeen Proving Ground for technical evaluation. After testing was concluded, the vehicle was put on display at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, where it stood until the early 2010s when it was transferred along with the rest of the collection to the Air Defence Artillery Museum in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

Evaluation of this single example showed that it consisted of a T-34-85 chassis which was made at UTZ 183 (Uralsky Tankovij Zavod) in the USSR sometime between 1944 and 1947, featuring a number of modifications. The most important one concerned the removal of the turret, with a solid reinforced steel slab being bolted onto the turret aperture on top of which a twin AA gun was mounted. Other modifications included the removal of the hull-mounted 7.62 mm machine gun, and the removal of part of the engine top deck to allow the gun turret to freely rotate.

The most common designations applied to this vehicle refer to the gun used: a Chinese-built copy of the Soviet M1939 (61-K). NORINCO of China copied this design, originally building it as the Type 55 (most likely after the year it was first constructed); later on a twin mount was designed around the same gun, which was put into production as the Type 65. As mounted on the tank, the Type 65 gun mount was surrounded by a box-like open-topped structure composed of 16-mm thick armor plates, large enough to house both the gun and a crew of five. Similar in concept to the US-built M42 Duster, the vehicle lacked any advanced aiming system or power-assisted gun traverse or elevation, making it less efficient in use against low-flying high-speed jets, but still deadly to slower attackers and helicopters.

The lack of any official documentation, combined with the use of a Chinese-built AA gun, soon led to speculation in the US Military that this vehicle was a Chinese-built dedicated SPAAG. As such, the vehicle commonly became known as the Type 63 SPAAG, this name first appearing in the 1987 publication A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware by Christopher Chant, after the assumption that the Type 63 was a variant of the Type 65 specifically built for use on this SPAAG. However, more recently the vehicle has become known as the Type 65 - or Type 63/65 - after the NORINCO-built gun.

With the lifting of the US embargo on North Vietnam in 1994, new information about the Vietnam War from (formerly North) Vietnamese sources finally became available, and visitors to the Vietnam People's Air Force Museum in Hanoi noticed a photograph on display which gives an entirely different turn to the Type 65's story. This singular photograph, three SPAAG's moving to the front, shows three tank-mounted anti aircraft guns, one mounted on a T-34-85, the two others on the chassis of an SU-76. The nature of their construction seems to indicate that they - and the captured Type 65 - were in fact locally-built improvised vehicles, combining the hulls of discarded or damaged tanks with AA guns to increase the number of available anti-aircraft guns for use against US forces, the Hanoi-displayed picture showing a T-34-85 hull with a 57mm S-60 AA gun rather than the Type 65 used on the captured vehicle.

As such, it can be concluded that the Type 65 was in fact an improvised locally-built SPAAG, possibly an attempt at creating a cheap alternative to the more advanced Soviet ZSU-57-2, using the hulls of T-34-85s that had been delivered to North Vietnam in 1965.

Media

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See also

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  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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Other  ZUT-37 · ZSU-37 · ▂Type 65 · ZSU-57-2 · ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" · ZPRK 2S6 "Tunguska"

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Anti-aircraft  ZUT-37 · ▂Type 65