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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The Type 5 is currently the most powerful gun mounted on an IJA tank in War Thunder. It draws parallels to the famed German 88mm [[KwK43 (88 mm)|KwK43]], sporting similar muzzle velocity and penetration, but with significantly increased explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. Players who are used to the KwK43 will find themselves right at home when using the Type 5.
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The Type 5 is currently the most powerful gun mounted on an IJA tank in War Thunder. It draws parallels to the famed German 88 mm [[KwK43 (88 mm)|KwK43]], sporting similar muzzle velocity and penetration, but with significantly increased explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. Players who are used to the KwK43 will find themselves right at home when using the Type 5.
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
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As mentioned previously, the Type 5 is very similar to the widely used German [[KwK43 (88 mm)|KwK43]], trading raw flat penetration in favour of explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. However, it is important to note that the drop in penetration is quite minor at traditional combat ranges but becomes significantly more drastic beyond 1,000 m. Regardless of the drops in penetration, many players seem to say that the Type 5 is superior as a result of its significantly better angled armour penetration and its higher explosive filler. If a Type 5 penetrates, it will almost always kill. The cannon itself favours a sniper play style, as it can shoot down enemies at range with little worry of follow up shots thanks to the high explosive filler.
 
  
However, the cannon is plagued by relatively poor penetration compared to other guns at its BR. During the shift into tier 5, most tanks will be running APDS or HEAT rounds with far superior penetration and muzzle velocity, and more tanks will be fitted with significantly better armour effectively thwarting most attempts at frontal penetration.
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As mentioned previously, the Type 5 is very similar to the widely used German [[KwK43 (88 mm)|KwK43]], trading raw flat penetration in favour of explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. However, it is important to note that the drop in penetration is quite minor at traditional combat ranges but becomes significantly more drastic beyond 1,000 m. Regardless of the drops in penetration, many players seem to say that the Type 5 is superior as a result of its significantly better angled armour penetration and its higher explosive filler. If a Type 5 penetrates, it will almost always destroys the target. The cannon itself favours a sniper play style, as it can shoot down enemies at range with little worry of follow up shots thanks to the high explosive filler.
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However, the cannon is plagued by relatively poor penetration compared to other guns at its battle-rating. During the shift into Rank V, most tanks will be running APDS or HEAT rounds with far superior penetration and muzzle velocity, and more tanks will be fitted with significantly better armour effectively thwarting most attempts at frontal penetration.
  
 
=== Available ammunition ===
 
=== Available ammunition ===
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=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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* [[KwK43 (88 mm)]]: German equivalent
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* [[D-10T (100 mm)]]: Russian equivalent
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* [[M3 (90 mm)]]: American equivalent
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* [[20pdr OQF Mk.I (84 mm)]]: British equivalent
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The Type 5 should be primarily used as a sniper due to its high velocity and excellent penetration at range, but also due to its slower reload. The Type 2 should be your go-to shell for most of your targets, but it is important to bring a few HE shells to deal with the previously mentioned light tanks.
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The Type 5 should be primarily used as a sniper due to its high velocity and excellent penetration at range, but also due to its slower reload. The Type 2 should be the go-to shell for most targets, but it is important to bring a few HE shells to deal with the previously mentioned light tanks.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Very accurate with little shell drop
 
* Very accurate with little shell drop
 
* Solid penetration
 
* Solid penetration
* HE shell has 30 mm of penetration all around and a '''lot''' of explosive filler, easy to kill light tanks with
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* HE shell has 30 mm of penetration all-around and a '''lot''' of explosive filler, easy to destroy light tanks with
 
* Arguably one of the best firing sounds in the entire game
 
* Arguably one of the best firing sounds in the entire game
 
* Not a lot of recoil, easy to follow up shots
 
* Not a lot of recoil, easy to follow up shots
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* Relatively slow reloading rate
 
* Relatively slow reloading rate
* Penetration can be underwhelming when facing 7.3+ BR vehicles
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* Penetration can be underwhelming when facing higher-ranked vehicles
 
* Cannon barrel and breech are quite fragile
 
* Cannon barrel and breech are quite fragile
 
* Fuse sensitivity on APHE leads to the shell going right through some lightly-armoured tanks
 
* Fuse sensitivity on APHE leads to the shell going right through some lightly-armoured tanks
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The Type 5 was designed off of the old Type 96 150 mm strategic artillery cannon, which was deemed to have the most potential for a downscaled tank gun. It was shortened, given a single piece barrel and was applied with a tank breach. The experimental cannon was completed in December 1944 with tests following in March of 1945. After showing promising performance outclassing most tank guns at the time, two prototype guns were made for the Ho-Ri, one for the tank itself and another for external testing until the next tank was completed. The end of the war terminated development but several promising designs were based around the gun; a development of the Na-To tank destroyer titled the Ka-To, a heavy-medium tank with the chassis of a Ho-Ri and the turret of a Chi-Ri with additional armour named the Chi-Se.  
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In 1942, Japan realized they were falling quite behind in terms of tank production as news of the American M6 and M26 heavy tanks reached the high command, leading them to redesign their tank production to become more like Germany's, meaning new tanks designed to be made with high powered tank guns. This lead to the [[Type II Model II (75 mm)|75 mm Type II cannon]] mounted on the Chi-To, Chi-Ri and variants of the Chi-Nu, and the '''105 mm Type 5'''.
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The Type 5 was designed off of the old Type 96 150 mm strategic artillery cannon, which was deemed to have the most potential for a downscaled tank gun. It was shortened, given a single piece barrel and was applied with a tank breech. The experimental cannon was completed in December 1944 with tests following in March of 1945. After showing promising performance outclassing most tank guns at the time, two prototype guns were made for the Ho-Ri, one for the tank itself and another for external testing until the next tank was completed. The end of the war terminated development but several promising designs were based around the gun; a development of the Na-To tank destroyer titled the Ka-To, a heavy-medium tank with the chassis of a Ho-Ri and the turret of a Chi-Ri with additional armour named the Chi-Se.  
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
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* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* [[KwK43 (88 mm)]]: German equivalent
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* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
* [[D-10T (100 mm)]]: Russian equivalent
 
* [[M3 (90 mm)]]: American equivalent
 
* [[20pdr OQF Mk.I (84 mm)]]: British equivalent
 
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==

Revision as of 19:01, 15 April 2020

105mm Type 5 Cannon

Description

The Type 5 is currently the most powerful gun mounted on an IJA tank in War Thunder. It draws parallels to the famed German 88 mm KwK43, sporting similar muzzle velocity and penetration, but with significantly increased explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. Players who are used to the KwK43 will find themselves right at home when using the Type 5.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

As mentioned previously, the Type 5 is very similar to the widely used German KwK43, trading raw flat penetration in favour of explosive filler and improved angled armour penetration. However, it is important to note that the drop in penetration is quite minor at traditional combat ranges but becomes significantly more drastic beyond 1,000 m. Regardless of the drops in penetration, many players seem to say that the Type 5 is superior as a result of its significantly better angled armour penetration and its higher explosive filler. If a Type 5 penetrates, it will almost always destroys the target. The cannon itself favours a sniper play style, as it can shoot down enemies at range with little worry of follow up shots thanks to the high explosive filler.

However, the cannon is plagued by relatively poor penetration compared to other guns at its battle-rating. During the shift into Rank V, most tanks will be running APDS or HEAT rounds with far superior penetration and muzzle velocity, and more tanks will be fitted with significantly better armour effectively thwarting most attempts at frontal penetration.

Available ammunition

  • Type 2 APHE: APHE - The Type 2 one of the two standard rounds of the Type 5. This round can be used against nearly all kinds of medium or heavy tanks and is thank to its massive high-explosive filler capable of destroying most of its targets with only one shot.
  • Experimental HE: HE - Standard HE shell with higher than average penetration, useful to bring along to deal with lightly armoured vehicles such as the Italian APC's and American late light tanks.
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Experimental HE 30 30 30 30 30 30
Type 2 APHE 233 228 205 181 159 140
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Experimental HE 920 16.0 0.1 0.1 2,520 0.0° 79° 80° 81°
Type 2 APHE 1,000 16.0 1.2 19.0 200 -1.0° 47° 60° 65°

Comparison with analogues

Usage in battles

The Type 5 should be primarily used as a sniper due to its high velocity and excellent penetration at range, but also due to its slower reload. The Type 2 should be the go-to shell for most targets, but it is important to bring a few HE shells to deal with the previously mentioned light tanks.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High amount of explosive filler on its APHE shell, results in a lot of one-shots
  • Very accurate with little shell drop
  • Solid penetration
  • HE shell has 30 mm of penetration all-around and a lot of explosive filler, easy to destroy light tanks with
  • Arguably one of the best firing sounds in the entire game
  • Not a lot of recoil, easy to follow up shots

Cons:

  • Relatively slow reloading rate
  • Penetration can be underwhelming when facing higher-ranked vehicles
  • Cannon barrel and breech are quite fragile
  • Fuse sensitivity on APHE leads to the shell going right through some lightly-armoured tanks

History

In 1942, Japan realized they were falling quite behind in terms of tank production as news of the American M6 and M26 heavy tanks reached the high command, leading them to redesign their tank production to become more like Germany's, meaning new tanks designed to be made with high powered tank guns. This lead to the 75 mm Type II cannon mounted on the Chi-To, Chi-Ri and variants of the Chi-Nu, and the 105 mm Type 5.

The Type 5 was designed off of the old Type 96 150 mm strategic artillery cannon, which was deemed to have the most potential for a downscaled tank gun. It was shortened, given a single piece barrel and was applied with a tank breech. The experimental cannon was completed in December 1944 with tests following in March of 1945. After showing promising performance outclassing most tank guns at the time, two prototype guns were made for the Ho-Ri, one for the tank itself and another for external testing until the next tank was completed. The end of the war terminated development but several promising designs were based around the gun; a development of the Na-To tank destroyer titled the Ka-To, a heavy-medium tank with the chassis of a Ho-Ri and the turret of a Chi-Ri with additional armour named the Chi-Se.

Media

An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;
  • references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the weapon;
  • other literature.


Japan tank cannons
37 mm  Type 94 · Type 100 · Type 1
47 mm  Type 1
57 mm  Type 90 · Type 97
70 mm  Type 94
75 mm  Type 90 · Type 99 · Type 3 · Type 5 (Type I Model II · Type II Model I · Type II Model II)
90 mm  Type 61
105 mm  Type 5 (Experimental · Production) · JSW L/52
106 mm  Type 60 (B)
120 mm  Taishō Type 10 · Navy short gun · Type 90 L/44 · Type 10 L/44
150 mm  Type 38
155 mm  NSJ L/30 · JSW L/52
  Foreign:
25 mm  Oerlikon KBA B02 (Switzerland)
35 mm  Oerlikon KDE (Switzerland)
75 mm  M6 (USA)
76 mm  M1 (USA) · M32 (USA)
88 mm  KwK36 (Germany)
90 mm  M3A1 (USA) · M36 (USA)
105 mm  L7A3 (Germany)
120 mm  Schneider-Canet 1898 (France)