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After taking off, best practice is to fly in a straight line while engaging WEP. Once you achieve a high speed, pull back on the control stick and take the fighter into a climb. Due to the low ammunition count found on this aircraft, it is recommended to also load out the 2 x PL-2 air-to-air missiles.
 
After taking off, best practice is to fly in a straight line while engaging WEP. Once you achieve a high speed, pull back on the control stick and take the fighter into a climb. Due to the low ammunition count found on this aircraft, it is recommended to also load out the 2 x PL-2 air-to-air missiles.
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The F-5 is essentially a MiG-17 with an afterburner and air-to-air missiles; those familiar with the MiG-17/J-4 should find the handling characteristics familiar, but the new features make the aircraft much more formidable. When fighting peer or lower-ranked opponents, its superior acceleration and firepower make combat easier. However in full uptiers, the speed will be very inadequate compared to the likes of the supersonic jets (some of which can fly more than twice as fast as the F-5). Work with teammates, take advantage of the aircraft's agility, and try to go after distracted enemies stuck in dogfights.
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The PL-2 missiles are primitive and difficult to use, with poor tracking capabilities and agility. They will often be spoofed by the sun or heat reflections from the ground. In combat, missiles can be used to force an opponent to break off and burn energy or alternatively to finish off targets that do not have enough energy to dodge them.
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The main gun armament is potentially very lethal. A few hits are sufficient for dismembering most enemy aircraft. That said, the relatively low muzzle velocity (which varies between the 37 mm and 23 mm guns), rate of fire, and ammo counts make getting these hits a challenge, especially when fighting faster aircraft. Trigger discipline is a must.
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At the start of the match, it may be a good idea to load more fuel than the minimum since using the afterburner dramatically increases fuel consumption.
  
 
=== Modules ===
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Low ammunition count for guns
 
* Low ammunition count for guns
 
* Will have to deal with Phantoms and other supersonic aircraft with better weapons and speed
 
* Will have to deal with Phantoms and other supersonic aircraft with better weapons and speed
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* Needs a skilled pilot to compete in uptiers
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The Soviet [[MiG-17]] was [[J-4|used quite extensively]] by the PLAAF in the early Cold War era. A production license for the more advanced MiG-17F model, which featured an afterburner, was obtained in the mid 1950s, and the result was the domestic Shenyang J-5, which made its first flight in 1956. In 1961, plans were obtained for the license production of the radar-equipped MiG-17PF model, but the ongoing Sino-Soviet split led to issues with the Chinese industry that delayed the first flight of the "J-5A" to 1964. At this point the aircraft was a rather obsolete, with the supersonic age being well underway, and production only continued for a few more years. Fewer J-5s were produced than the later [[J-6A|J-6]].
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A unique trainer variant called the JJ-5 was produced by combining the cockpit of the MiG-15UTI with J-5 airframe elements and reduced armament; there was no trainer version of the MiG-17 since the Soviet Union saw no issue with using the MiG-15UTI for training new MiG-17 pilots.
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The J-5 was exported under the designation of '''F-5''' (not to be confused with the American F-5 Freedom Fighter) to numerous countries, including Albania, North Korea, Bangladesh, and Pakistan. The majority of these operators have retired the F-5 at the time of writing, with the lone exception being North Korea. J-5s remaining in the PLAAF inventory have been converted to target drones.
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The vehicle represented in War Thunder is painted in the livery of the North Korean Air Force and has apparently been modified to use PL-2 air-to-air missiles.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==

Revision as of 18:56, 26 February 2020

RANK 5 SWEDEN
SAAB J-29D PACK
Shenyang F-5
mig-17_f5.png
AB
RB
SB
General characteristics
Brief
Detailed
9.3/9.3/9.3BR
1 personCrew
5.5 tTake-off weight
10.80 kg/sBurst mass
Flight characteristics
15 500 mCeiling
Shenyang Liming WP-5Engine
JetType
airCooling system
Speed of destruction
1150 km/hStructural
450 km/hGear
Offensive armament
37 mm N-37D cannonWeapon 1
40 roundsAmmunition
401 shots/minFire rate
2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannonWeapon 2
160 roundsAmmunition
900 shots/minFire rate
Suspended armament
2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombSetup 1
2 x PL-2 air-to-air missilesSetup 2
Economy
Sl icon.png5 800/3 660/1 300Repair
10 000 Sl icon.pngCrew training
1 620 000 Sl icon.pngExperts
2 200 Ge icon.pngAces
214 × 2 Talisman.png % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
310 × 2 Talisman.png % Sl icon.png250 × 2 Talisman.png % Sl icon.png100 × 2 Talisman.png % Sl icon.png
This page is about the Chinese license-built jet fighter Shenyang F-5. For other versions, see MiG-17 (Family).

Description

GarageImage Shenyang F-5.jpg


The Shenyang F-5 is a gift rank V Chinese jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.91 "Night Vision".

General info

Flight performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 2,000 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock ___ ___ 15 500 __._ __._ __._ __._ 475
Upgraded 1,125 1,114 21.2 21.5 61.8 50

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
X X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1150 450 N/A 650 450 ~12 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 600 < 700 < 750 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Empty mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Shenyang Liming WP-5 1 3,868 kg 230 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 8m fuel 20m fuel 27m fuel
892 kg Afterburning centrifugal-flow turbojet 4,369 kg 4,889 kg 5,192 kg 5,485 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
Condition 100% WEP 8m fuel 20m fuel 27m fuel MTOW
Stationary 2,380 kgf 2,932 kgf 0.67 0.60 0.56 0.53
Optimal 2,380 kgf
(0 km/h)
2,932 kgf
(0 km/h)
0.67 0.60 0.56 0.53

Survivability and armour

Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.

Armaments

Offensive armament

The Shenyang F-5 is armed with:

  • 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
  • 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

Suspended armament

Main articles: OFAB-250-270 (250 kg), PL-2

The Shenyang F-5 can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
  • 2 x PL-2 missiles

Usage in battles

After taking off, best practice is to fly in a straight line while engaging WEP. Once you achieve a high speed, pull back on the control stick and take the fighter into a climb. Due to the low ammunition count found on this aircraft, it is recommended to also load out the 2 x PL-2 air-to-air missiles.

The F-5 is essentially a MiG-17 with an afterburner and air-to-air missiles; those familiar with the MiG-17/J-4 should find the handling characteristics familiar, but the new features make the aircraft much more formidable. When fighting peer or lower-ranked opponents, its superior acceleration and firepower make combat easier. However in full uptiers, the speed will be very inadequate compared to the likes of the supersonic jets (some of which can fly more than twice as fast as the F-5). Work with teammates, take advantage of the aircraft's agility, and try to go after distracted enemies stuck in dogfights.

The PL-2 missiles are primitive and difficult to use, with poor tracking capabilities and agility. They will often be spoofed by the sun or heat reflections from the ground. In combat, missiles can be used to force an opponent to break off and burn energy or alternatively to finish off targets that do not have enough energy to dodge them.

The main gun armament is potentially very lethal. A few hits are sufficient for dismembering most enemy aircraft. That said, the relatively low muzzle velocity (which varies between the 37 mm and 23 mm guns), rate of fire, and ammo counts make getting these hits a challenge, especially when fighting faster aircraft. Trigger discipline is a must.

At the start of the match, it may be a good idea to load more fuel than the minimum since using the afterburner dramatically increases fuel consumption.

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Compressor Offensive 23 mm
II New boosters Airframe Offensive 37 mm D-4-50
III Wings repair New 23 mm cannons
IV G-suit Engine Cover New 37 mm cannons PL-2

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Hard-hitting armament
  • Decent manoeuvrability
  • Access to decent anti-aircraft missiles
  • Faster than most jets it will encounter thanks to powerful afterburner
  • Difficult to break wings in turns
  • Effective airbrakes
  • Premium bonuses
  • Can completely change the tide of a game in the hands of a skilled pilot

Cons:

  • Flaps break at speeds above 530 km/h (330 mph)
  • Afterburner chews through fuel
  • Poor low-speed manoeuvrability (below 355 km/h (220 mph))
  • Guns have low velocity and different shell arcs which requires pilot practice to learn to use effectively
  • Low ammunition count for guns
  • Will have to deal with Phantoms and other supersonic aircraft with better weapons and speed
  • Needs a skilled pilot to compete in uptiers

History

The Soviet MiG-17 was used quite extensively by the PLAAF in the early Cold War era. A production license for the more advanced MiG-17F model, which featured an afterburner, was obtained in the mid 1950s, and the result was the domestic Shenyang J-5, which made its first flight in 1956. In 1961, plans were obtained for the license production of the radar-equipped MiG-17PF model, but the ongoing Sino-Soviet split led to issues with the Chinese industry that delayed the first flight of the "J-5A" to 1964. At this point the aircraft was a rather obsolete, with the supersonic age being well underway, and production only continued for a few more years. Fewer J-5s were produced than the later J-6.

A unique trainer variant called the JJ-5 was produced by combining the cockpit of the MiG-15UTI with J-5 airframe elements and reduced armament; there was no trainer version of the MiG-17 since the Soviet Union saw no issue with using the MiG-15UTI for training new MiG-17 pilots.

The J-5 was exported under the designation of F-5 (not to be confused with the American F-5 Freedom Fighter) to numerous countries, including Albania, North Korea, Bangladesh, and Pakistan. The majority of these operators have retired the F-5 at the time of writing, with the lone exception being North Korea. J-5s remaining in the PLAAF inventory have been converted to target drones.

The vehicle represented in War Thunder is painted in the livery of the North Korean Air Force and has apparently been modified to use PL-2 air-to-air missiles.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the aircraft;
  • other literature.


Shenyang Aircraft Corporation
Jet Fighters 
MiG-15  J-2*
MiG-17  J-4* · Shenyang F-5*
MiG-19  J-6A*
  *Licensed
See Also  Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau

China jet aircraft
Fighters  J-2 · J-4 · Shenyang F-5 · J-6A · J-7II
Bombers  H-5
American  ␗F-84G-21-RE · ␗F-86F-30 · ␗F-86F-40 · ␗F-100A · ␗F-104A · ␗F-104G
Soviet  ␗MiG-9 · ␗MiG-9 (l)

China premium aircraft
␗A6M2 · H-81A-2 · Hawk III · ␗Ki-45 hei/tei · Ki-84 ko · Shenyang F-5