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The Sagittario 2 has great maneuverability, at its battle rating, and even above it, there won't be many aircraft that can match your speed, rate of climb or your energy retention. Whilst playing the Sagittario 2, you are able to do amazing manoeuvres that the enemy team could only dream of doing. Due to this, an experienced player inside of this aircraft can become quite a dangerous opponent. The max altitude of the Sagittario 2 is 11000 metres, thanks to its rate of climb, you should be able to reach it at the beginning of the match with minimal effort required. One other great thing is how easily you can pull G's with it, use it to your advantage and you should rack up quite a few eliminations.
  
 
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Gear          0 km/h
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40mm Frontal armor on window
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6.5mm armor behind seat
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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Using the Sagittario 2 is quite straight forward, its an aircraft that nearly anyone can pickup and do fairly well in. This is mainly due to the amazing stats it has, which when compared with the majority of aircraft you'll face at your battle-rating, make this vehicle quite fun to use. The best way to play the Sagittario 2 is to climb as high as you can, and use zoom and boom tactics. This is highly effective mainly due to the powerful 30mm HS 825 cannons that the Sagittario has access to. When you've descended, you're still a really good dog-fighter so you are able to perform quite a lot of manoeuvres that many aircraft are not able to pull off. Make sure you always consider that during engagements, especially because the aircraft can easily pull G's without too much punishment towards the player controlling it. Keep in mind, if you want to take advantage of its speed and maneuverability, you will have to keep the aircraft as light as possibile, meaning bringing the minimal amount of fuel. This to some may seem like a disadvantage, but its most likely the most effective way to get eliminations with the vehicle as it allows the aircraft to remain fast and nimble. Do keep in mind that if you decide to bring not a lot of fuel, you won't be in the battle as long, so make sure every second counts. Another thing that people may claim is a disadvantage is the low ammo count, this although is true, doesn't mean the vehicle suffers. The HS 825 cannons are extremely deadly, they have a very high muzzle velocity, which paired up with the hard hitting 30mm cannons, means that the majority of enemy aircraft you'll face will be destroyed after a small barrage of your main weapon. One of the other many advantages of the Sagittario 2 is its high speed, it can go up to 1050km an hour in realistic and arcade battles, granted all modules have been research and bought. The Sagittario 2 can also work at low altitude, as a AI ground pounder, the main cannons it has access to are just as effective at taking out ground AI targets as they are at taking down air targets. This can be very effective as you can easily take advantage of your speed at the beginning of the match to slip through undetected by enemy aircraft. You could also use this to surprise enemies by flanking them once they've flown past you, unaware that you're actually able to go behind them. The Sagittario 2 does not have access to any countermeasures so keep that in mind if you choose to bring it in ground RB. Its cannons are enough to easily make make short work for the majority of lightly armored ground vehicles, such as IFV's and SPAA's. Considering it doesn't have any payload options such as rockets or bombs, you'll have to entirely rely on your main cannons, and that also goes for air vehicles, as you don't have access to air to air missiles. It is not recommended to land on short runways, it should be avoided or risk crashing at the end. This also applies for Arcade battles, overall in the Sagittario 2, try at all times to take advantage of your abilities, as its the best way to come on top in duals, and win the match.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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* Limited ammunition capacity, only 120 rpg
 
* Limited ammunition capacity, only 120 rpg
 
* No payload options
 
* No payload options
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* The only available belt is 100% tracers, no armour-piercing ammo
 
* The only available belt is 100% tracers, no armour-piercing ammo
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* High repair cost
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 19:47, 25 July 2021

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Sagittario 2
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GarageImage Sagittario 2.jpg
Sagittario 2
AB RB SB
8.7 9.3 8.0
Research:160 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:450 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The Sagittario 2 is a rank VI Italian jet fighter with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB), 9.3 (RB), and 8.0 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Red Skies".

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 0 m1 050 km/h
Turn time24 s
Max altitude11 000 m
EngineRolls-Royce Derwent 9
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight4 t

The Sagittario 2 has great maneuverability, at its battle rating, and even above it, there won't be many aircraft that can match your speed, rate of climb or your energy retention. Whilst playing the Sagittario 2, you are able to do amazing manoeuvres that the enemy team could only dream of doing. Due to this, an experienced player inside of this aircraft can become quite a dangerous opponent. The max altitude of the Sagittario 2 is 11000 metres, thanks to its rate of climb, you should be able to reach it at the beginning of the match with minimal effort required. One other great thing is how easily you can pull G's with it, use it to your advantage and you should rack up quite a few eliminations.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 0 m - sea level)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,005 978 11000 25.0 25.6 36.6 34.7 1,000
Upgraded 1,050 1,050 24.0 24.0 45.0 45.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1,125 450 498 469 320 ~12 ~4
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 600 < 550 < 610 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Rolls-Royce Derwent 9 1 2,405 kg 227 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 34m fuel
580 kg Centrifugal-flow turbojet 2,686 kg 2,946 kg 3,216 kg 3,341 kg 5,641kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 34m fuel MTOW
Stationary 1,536 kgf N/A 0.57 0.52 0.48 0.46 5,641kg
Optimal 1,536 kgf
(0 km/h)
N/A 0.57 0.52 0.48 0.46 5,641kg

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear450 km/h

Crew - 1

Speed of destruction

Structural 0 km/h

Gear 0 km/h

40mm Frontal armor on window

6.5mm armor behind seat

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 522 → 4 691 Sl icon.png
RB9 505 → 12 660 Sl icon.png
SB13 342 → 17 771 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications143 000 Rp icon.png
225 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training130 000 Sl icon.png
Experts450 000 Sl icon.png
Aces2 200 Ge icon.png
Research Aces890 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
130 / 380 / 600 % Sl icon.png
214 / 214 / 214 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
28 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
44 000 Sl icon.png
610 Ge icon.png
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
18 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
18 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
23 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
36 000 Sl icon.png
500 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
23 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
36 000 Sl icon.png
500 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
aden_new_gun
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
17 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 30 mm Hispano HS 825 cannon
Ammunition240 rounds
Fire rate996 shots/min

The Sagittario 2 is armed with:

  • 2 x 30 mm Hispano HS 825 cannons, nose-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

Usage in battles

Using the Sagittario 2 is quite straight forward, its an aircraft that nearly anyone can pickup and do fairly well in. This is mainly due to the amazing stats it has, which when compared with the majority of aircraft you'll face at your battle-rating, make this vehicle quite fun to use. The best way to play the Sagittario 2 is to climb as high as you can, and use zoom and boom tactics. This is highly effective mainly due to the powerful 30mm HS 825 cannons that the Sagittario has access to. When you've descended, you're still a really good dog-fighter so you are able to perform quite a lot of manoeuvres that many aircraft are not able to pull off. Make sure you always consider that during engagements, especially because the aircraft can easily pull G's without too much punishment towards the player controlling it. Keep in mind, if you want to take advantage of its speed and maneuverability, you will have to keep the aircraft as light as possibile, meaning bringing the minimal amount of fuel. This to some may seem like a disadvantage, but its most likely the most effective way to get eliminations with the vehicle as it allows the aircraft to remain fast and nimble. Do keep in mind that if you decide to bring not a lot of fuel, you won't be in the battle as long, so make sure every second counts. Another thing that people may claim is a disadvantage is the low ammo count, this although is true, doesn't mean the vehicle suffers. The HS 825 cannons are extremely deadly, they have a very high muzzle velocity, which paired up with the hard hitting 30mm cannons, means that the majority of enemy aircraft you'll face will be destroyed after a small barrage of your main weapon. One of the other many advantages of the Sagittario 2 is its high speed, it can go up to 1050km an hour in realistic and arcade battles, granted all modules have been research and bought. The Sagittario 2 can also work at low altitude, as a AI ground pounder, the main cannons it has access to are just as effective at taking out ground AI targets as they are at taking down air targets. This can be very effective as you can easily take advantage of your speed at the beginning of the match to slip through undetected by enemy aircraft. You could also use this to surprise enemies by flanking them once they've flown past you, unaware that you're actually able to go behind them. The Sagittario 2 does not have access to any countermeasures so keep that in mind if you choose to bring it in ground RB. Its cannons are enough to easily make make short work for the majority of lightly armored ground vehicles, such as IFV's and SPAA's. Considering it doesn't have any payload options such as rockets or bombs, you'll have to entirely rely on your main cannons, and that also goes for air vehicles, as you don't have access to air to air missiles. It is not recommended to land on short runways, it should be avoided or risk crashing at the end. This also applies for Arcade battles, overall in the Sagittario 2, try at all times to take advantage of your abilities, as its the best way to come on top in duals, and win the match.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Extremely agile, able to outturn most aircraft
  • Relatively high top speed for its BR
  • 2 x hard hitting 30 mm cannons are excellent at taking down other aircraft
  • The HS 825 cannons have a very high muzzle velocity (1050 m/s)

Cons:

  • Limited ammunition capacity, only 120 rpg
  • No payload options
  • The only available belt is 100% tracers, no armour-piercing ammo
  • High repair cost

History

Devblog

In the early 1950's, Italian aircraft designers began work on developing a jet aircraft on the basis of a successful pre-war piston-engine race plane, initially with the goal of constructing a pure technology demonstrator. This aircraft - named Sagittario - took to the skies in January 1953, displaying promising performance.

Convinced of the aircraft's potential, the aircraft designers continued work and developed the design further into the Sagittario 2. The new aircraft featured an improved design, a significantly more powerful jet engine and comparably heavy armament for an aircraft of its time. Two prototypes of the Sagittario 2 were built and test flown in 1956.

However, despite its state-of-the-art design and excellent performance, the Sagittario 2 faced many problems during development as its manufacturer - Aerfer - struggled to allocate enough resources into its development. As a result, the aircraft had a drawn out development period which meant that newer aircraft were entering service while the Sagittario 2 was still being tested. Because of this, the Sagittario 2 would fail to enter production as the procurement of the more promising Fiat G.91 was right around the corner.

While not getting past prototype stage, the Sagittario 2 would serve as a basis for the subsequent development of another jet fighter prototype.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Italy jet aircraft
Aefer  Sagittario 2 · Ariete
Fiat  G.91 pre-serie · G.91 R/1 · G.91 R/4 (Portugal) · G.91 Y · G.91 YS
AMX International  AMX
Panavia  Tornado ADV · ▄Tornado IDS (1995)
  Foreign:
Vampire  Vampire FB 52A
F-84  ▄F-84F · ▄F-84G-21-RE
F-86  CL-13 Mk.4 · ▄F-86K
F-104  ▄F-104G · F-104S · ▄F-104S TAF (Turkey) · F-104S.ASA
F-16  ▄F-16A ADF
AV-8  ▄AV-8B Plus
Hungary 
Mikoyan-Gurevich  ◔MiG-15bis · ◔MiG-17PF · ◔MiG-21MF · ◔MiG-21bis-SAU · ◔MiG-23MF · ◔MiG-29
Ilyushin  ◔IL-28
Sukhoi  ◔Su-22M3
Saab  ◔JAS39EBS HU C