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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
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Given the 10 mm and 5 mm armour on the hull and turret plate respectively, this vehicle is a textbook example of a glass cannon. The T-26 chassis has mobility, and due to the top and back having no armour, stray artillery strikes can easily decimate the whole 5 crew members. Moreover, any flanking light tank poses a paramount threat to you, since a spray of their machine gun and your crew is dead. However, you have a 76 mm gun armed with APHEBC, so a skilled marksman with this vehicle will pose a threat to any light or medium tank, easily one-shotting any of them at your battle-rating.
 
Given the 10 mm and 5 mm armour on the hull and turret plate respectively, this vehicle is a textbook example of a glass cannon. The T-26 chassis has mobility, and due to the top and back having no armour, stray artillery strikes can easily decimate the whole 5 crew members. Moreover, any flanking light tank poses a paramount threat to you, since a spray of their machine gun and your crew is dead. However, you have a 76 mm gun armed with APHEBC, so a skilled marksman with this vehicle will pose a threat to any light or medium tank, easily one-shotting any of them at your battle-rating.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
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SU-5-1 has a very low mobility, sharing the chassis with [[T-26-4]] and all of its drive characteristics. It will be left behind pretty much every other unit, including low-BR SPGs, so taking the most attractive points will be tricky, but it's still sufficiently mobile to climb the hills or traverse muddy terrain. It's also able to turn in spot, although by breaking one of the tracks, neutral steering is not available.
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SU-5-1 has very low mobility, sharing the chassis with [[T-26-4]] and all of its drive characteristics. It will be left behind by pretty much every other unit, including low-BR SPGs, so taking the most attractive points will be tricky, but it's still sufficiently mobile to climb the hills or traverse muddy terrain. It's also able to turn in spot, although by braking one of the tracks, so neutral steering is not available.
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{main|1902/30 (76 mm)}}
 
{{main|1902/30 (76 mm)}}
 
The main gun has very good handling and above average horizontal guidance for the SPGs of ±15°. The APHEBC shell is able to destroy pretty much every target it encounters within its BR. A similar gun can be found on the [[KV-1 (L-11)]], being a great testament to the staying power and the capability of this gun.
 
  
 
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! ''Arcade''
 
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 8 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+60° || rowspan="2" | ±15° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 7.04 || 9.75 || 11.84 || 13.09 || 13.93 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 5.75 || rowspan="2" | 5.30 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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| rowspan="2" | 8 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+60° || rowspan="2" | ±15° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 7.0 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 6.5 || rowspan="2" | _._ || rowspan="2" | _._ || rowspan="2" | 5.0
 
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! ''Realistic''
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== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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[[File:Su-5-1 Historical.jpg|thumb|right|Photograph of one of the SU-5-1 units built]]
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SU-5-1 (СУ-5-1) was conceived as the first of "small triplets" (малого триплекса, the other two being SU-5-2 and SU-5-3), with a goal of providing support for the mechanized troops and cavalry using a standardized chassis for multiple roles. SU-5-1 was anti-tank, -2 was howitzer and -3 provided mortar support. This was to ease maintenance and production. Estimated 5 units were built, after testing they took part in 1939 invasion of Poland at the beginning of World War 2, however they never fired at the Polish units.
SU-5-1 (СУ-5-1) was conceived as the first of "small triplets" (малого триплекса, the other two being SU-5-2 and SU-5-3), with a goal of providing support for the mechanized troops and cavalry using a standardized chassis for multiple roles. SU-5-1 was anti-tank, -2 was howitzer and -3 provided mortar support. This was to ease maintenance and production. An estimated 5 units were built, after testing they took part in 1939 invasion of Poland at the beginning of World War 2, however they never fired at the Polish units.
 
  
The dated, but abundant, [[1902/30 (76 mm)#History|76 mm divisional gun M1902]] is put on a modified chassis of the T-26. The key difference includes moving the engine to the front of the chassis, to make space for the gun crew. Overall the evaluators concluded the chassis to be overweight, and pressed for AT-1 instead, which in the end didn't enter into serial production either. Eventually the Soviet army settled for [[T-26-4]] and BT-7A (BT-7a is the basis for the in game [[BT-7 (F-32)]]).
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The dated, but abundant, [[1902/30 (76 mm)#History|76 mm divisional gun M1902]] is put on a modified chassis of the T-26. The key difference includes moving the engine to the front of the chassis, to make space for the gun crew. Overall the evaluators concluded the chassis to be overweight, and pressed for AT-1 instead, which... in the end didn't enter into a serial production either. Eventually Soviet army settled for [[T-26-4]] and BT-7A.
  
 
This SPG was operated from a stationary position, where two crew members operated the gun from the ground. It was designed to be accompanied by an ammunition carrier based on the same chassis, that would support the firing position.
 
This SPG was operated from a stationary position, where two crew members operated the gun from the ground. It was designed to be accompanied by an ammunition carrier based on the same chassis, that would support the firing position.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|wwmY3WG5IRY|'''SU-5-1 Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|_KkCsRzeh-A|'''A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭ SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''|sS7fOV2UGH4|'''Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
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{{Youtube-gallery|wwmY3WG5IRY|SU-5-1 Tank Review|_KkCsRzeh-A|A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭ SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer |sS7fOV2UGH4|Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
Vehicles of comparable role, configuration and era
 
 
 
* [[Panzerjager I]]
 
* [[Ho-Ro]]
 
  
 
== External links ==
 
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* ''other literature.''
 
 
* [https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-5-1933.htm <nowiki>[GlobalSecurity.org]</nowiki> SU-5 self-propelled artillery]
 
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/su-26 <nowiki>[The Online Tank Museum]</nowiki> SU-26]
 
  
 
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Revision as of 22:40, 9 May 2020

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SU-5-1
ussr_su_5_1.png
AB
RB
SB
General characteristics
Brief
Detailed
1.3/1.3/1.3BR
5 peopleCrew
77 %Visibility
front / side / backArmour
10 / 7 / 7Hull
5 / 0 / 0Turret
Mobility
10.0 tWeight
172 hp90 hpEngine power
17 hp/t9 hp/tPower-to-weight ratio
32 km/h forward
3 km/h back
30 km/h forward
3 km/h back
Speed
Armament
76 mm 1902/30 cannonMain weapon
8 roundsAmmunition
5.0 / 6.5 sReload
-5° / 60°Vertical guidance
-15° / 15°Horizontal guidance
Economy
4 000 Rp icon.pngResearch
2 100 Sl icon.pngPurchase
Sl icon.png290 / 361/260 / 324/280 / 349Repair
600 Sl icon.pngCrew training
2 100 Sl icon.pngExperts
40 Ge icon.pngAces
100 % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
50 % Sl icon.png40 % Sl icon.png20 % Sl icon.png

Description

GarageImage SU-5-1.jpg


The SU-5-1 is a rank I Soviet tank destroyer with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.67 "Assault".

The SU-5-1 is a crude SPG built off the T-26 chassis. The T-26 chassis of the SU-5-1 allows it to place itself with relative ease on any spot of the map. The high gun shield can lure the enemy into firing too high, missing the crew. If a hit goes into the body, with a bit of luck, APHE ammo will not detonate on contact and instead go straight through, leaving little spalling damage. The vehicle's crew of 5 will allow some casualties before loss of efficiency.

General info

Survivability and armour

Given the 10 mm and 5 mm armour on the hull and turret plate respectively, this vehicle is a textbook example of a glass cannon. The T-26 chassis has mobility, and due to the top and back having no armour, stray artillery strikes can easily decimate the whole 5 crew members. Moreover, any flanking light tank poses a paramount threat to you, since a spray of their machine gun and your crew is dead. However, you have a 76 mm gun armed with APHEBC, so a skilled marksman with this vehicle will pose a threat to any light or medium tank, easily one-shotting any of them at your battle-rating.

Mobility

SU-5-1 has a very low mobility, sharing the chassis with T-26-4 and all of its drive characteristics. It will be left behind pretty much every other unit, including low-BR SPGs, so taking the most attractive points will be tricky, but it's still sufficiently mobile to climb the hills or traverse muddy terrain. It's also able to turn in spot, although by breaking one of the tracks, neutral steering is not available.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 32 3 10 128 172 12.8 17.2
Realistic 30 3 80 90 8 9

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: 1902/30 (76 mm)
76 mm 1902/30 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 8 -5°/+60° ±15° N/A 7.0 __._ __._ __._ __._ 6.5 _._ _._ 5.0
Realistic 4.8 __._ __._ __._ 8.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-350A (MD-5 fuze) APHEBC 87 85 76 67 59 52
BR-350SP APBC 102 100 91 81 72 64
OF-350M HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Sh-354T Shrapnel 37 35 29 25 20 17
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-350A (MD-5 fuze) APHEBC 662 6.3 1.2 14.0 150 +4.0° 48° 63° 71°
BR-350SP APBC 655 6.78 N/A N/A N/A +4.0° 48° 63° 71°
OF-350M HE 680 6.2 0.05 0.1 621 +0.0° 79° 80° 81°
Sh-354T Shrapnel 680 6.2 0.5 8.0 85 +0.0° 62° 69° 73°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
8 (+7) No

Usage in battles

This vehicle is the perfect (and only) SPG for Russian tech tree beginners: somewhat fragile, decently fast and a gun similar to what is found on higher ranks, it is a great trainer for later gameplay.

As an open-backed SPG, the SU-5-1 should never be seen by the enemy, especially if flanked. Since the gun's ballistics are somewhat tricky and the ammo count is limited, it is recommended to ambush enemies near capture points (preferably by your team's side). Aim carefully, regarding both the vertical and horizontal leading when attacking a moving target, although this is not recommended if the moving target is a heavy tank or is very fast, since that will make leading your heavy shells a hard task. With a capacity of 8 shells, you cannot afford to miss a shot

As a Tank Destroyer/SPG, you should bring supporting fire in the rear lines of the team, never at the front but not too far, repelling enemy assaults on the point. Find a spot with a good view near a capture point or bury yourself in a dark alley (if you have fast reflexes since if you miss the target might be aware and attack you) and wait to see the enemy fall into your sights. Do not forget to move to the nearest captured point after each 1-2 enemy down to reload since your ammo count is that low (sometimes you won't even have enough ammo to finish the second enemy, make sure to engage only if necessary in this case).

This role can be accomplished at any time in the game but it needs two things to be fulfilled: a captured objective nearby and a cooperative team. The objective will be your ammo and target supply since when waiting on a captured point you get an ammo refill. Ammo will be refilled one by one at roughly the same rate as your vehicle can shoot (about a minute for full loadout in this case). A cooperative team will help holding the point, since you can't do it all by yourself since moving means putting yourself in high risk of being spotted in a wrong position. If your team looses the point, do not rush for it (if you're not out yet...) since the enemy team may follow behind the person capturing the point. Wait for your allies to help and stay hidden, taking careful shots at well-chosen enemies. Remember to mobilize after firing a shot, since you pose a large threat in terms of firepower at that battle-rating, and the light tanks will start hunting for you if you keep camping.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire BR-350SP
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Decent penetration on stock rounds
  • Decent reload (6.5s base)
  • Good gun traverse angle
  • High crew count means it can afford to take a few shots, especially from tanks without HE filler or MG
  • Transmission in the front can absorb shots (i.e. in a sniper battle, it is the "ideal" spot to be shot)
  • Good shell diversity (somewhat meaningless since it is recommended to fill it with APHE)

Cons:

  • Extremely low ammo count (8 rounds)
  • Exposed and cramped gun crew that can be destroyed with machine gun fire, or a HE shell somewhere in the rear
  • Rather tall profile due to gun placement
  • Poor gun depression of -2°
  • Weak front armour (machine guns can penetrate this vehicle)
  • Somewhat low shell speeds means it's hard to land a shot on a moving target

History

SU-5-1 (СУ-5-1) was conceived as the first of "small triplets" (малого триплекса, the other two being SU-5-2 and SU-5-3), with a goal of providing support for the mechanized troops and cavalry using a standardized chassis for multiple roles. SU-5-1 was anti-tank, -2 was howitzer and -3 provided mortar support. This was to ease maintenance and production. Estimated 5 units were built, after testing they took part in 1939 invasion of Poland at the beginning of World War 2, however they never fired at the Polish units.

The dated, but abundant, 76 mm divisional gun M1902 is put on a modified chassis of the T-26. The key difference includes moving the engine to the front of the chassis, to make space for the gun crew. Overall the evaluators concluded the chassis to be overweight, and pressed for AT-1 instead, which... in the end didn't enter into a serial production either. Eventually Soviet army settled for T-26-4 and BT-7A.

This SPG was operated from a stationary position, where two crew members operated the gun from the ground. It was designed to be accompanied by an ammunition carrier based on the same chassis, that would support the firing position.

Media

SU-5-1 Tank Review
A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭ SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer
Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the tank;
  • other literature.


USSR tank destroyers
Light  SU-5-1 · ZiS-30 · SU-57 · SU-57B · SU-76M · SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) · YaG-10 (29-K) · SU-85A · Khrizantema-S
Medium  SU-122 · SU-85 · SU-85M · SU-100 · SU-100P · SU-122P · SU-122-54 · IT-1 · Shturm-S
Heavy  SU-100Y · ISU-122 · ISU-122S · SU-152 · ISU-152 · Object 268 · Object 120
Rocket  BM-8-24 · BM-13N
Airborne  ASU-57 · ASU-85