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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at _,___ m)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 3,900 m)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
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! Stock
 
! Stock
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| 381 || 374 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.5 || 22.6 || 4.4 || 4.1 || rowspan="2" | 450
 
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! Upgraded
 
! Upgraded
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| 412 || 395 || 18.6 || 20.0 || 7.9 || 6.0
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
 
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 386 || 369 || 280 || ~9 || 6
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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| < 300 || < 310 || < 320 || > 320
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 10mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
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* 10mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
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* Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>Note that the gunner is rear-facing
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)}}
 
{{main|Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)}}
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=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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{{main|sb m/42 (50 kg)}}
 
{{main|sb m/42 (50 kg)}}
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
=== Defensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}
 
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{{main|Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)}}
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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The B17BS has two forward facing machine guns, allowing you to dispatch lone enemies or lightly armoured ground targets. With the option to load 9 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's manoeuvrability or speed. It is a slow and methodical plane that requires to gear down from faster and more potently armed planes. In arcade battles, the bombs allow for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bomb sight means you can stay relatively high without endangering yourself. Should an enemy attempt an attack on you, dive away as quickly as possible. You do not have the turn speed nor the firepower for head-on attacks. The rear gunner, especially if armed with armour-piercing bullets, might prove enough of a deterrent for fabric biplanes. If the enemy plane persists in its desire to shoot down the B17BS, evade the shots by wiggling around. The plane has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and has the strength to withstand a few poorly placed 20 mm cannon shots. Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.
  
=== Modules ===
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
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! colspan="2" | Flight performance
 
! Survivability
 
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
 
 
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|Fuselage repair
 
|Radiator
 
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|Offensive 8 mm
 
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|Turret 8 mm
 
 
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! Oil !! Water !! Type
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|Engine
 
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|New 8 mm MGs
 
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|Engine injection
 
|Cover
 
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|New 8 mm MGs (turret)
 
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Can land/float on water, unlike its [[B17 (Family)|brothers]]
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* Great for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
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* The 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs perform well in Ground RB
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Slow and large target profile
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* Poor manoeuvrability
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* Small bomb load
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* Has weak defensive armament
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* Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
  
 
== History ==
 
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== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|VTHbJYa9SpM|'''Spade Review. B17BS. A Swedish Floaty Boi!''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
  
 
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Revision as of 19:33, 14 September 2022

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This page is about the Swedish bomber S17BS. For other versions, see B17 (Family).
S17BS
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S17BS
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Description

The S17BS is a rank I Swedish bomber with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB/SB) and 1.0 (RB). It was introduced in Update "Raining Fire".

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 3 900 m395 km/h
Turn time20 s
Max altitude6 200 m
EngineBristol Mercury XXIV
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight4 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 3,900 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 381 374 6200 21.5 22.6 4.4 4.1 450
Upgraded 412 395 18.6 20.0 7.9 6.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
500 500 386 369 280 ~9 6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 300 < 310 < 320 > 320

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural500 km/h
Gear500 km/h
  • 10mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
  • 10mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
  • Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)

*Note that the gunner is rear-facing

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB117 → 147 Sl icon.png
RB149 → 187 Sl icon.png
SB188 → 237 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications2 970 Rp icon.png
885 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost190 Ge icon.png
Crew training200 Sl icon.png
Experts1 000 Sl icon.png
Aces20 Ge icon.png
Research Aces96 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
20 / 30 / 50 % Sl icon.png
100 / 100 / 100 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
8_63_belt_pack
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods ammo.png
8_63_turret_belt_pack
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods weapon.png
8_63_new_gun
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
8_63_turret_new_gun
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min

The S17BS is armed with:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)
  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)

Suspended armament

List of setups (1)
Setup 19 x 50 kg sb m/42 bomb
Main article: sb m/42 (50 kg)

The S17BS can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)

Defensive armament

Turret8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun
Ammunition300 rounds
Fire rate1200 shots/min
Main article: Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)

The S17BS is defended by:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, dorsal turret (300 rpg)

Usage in battles

The B17BS has two forward facing machine guns, allowing you to dispatch lone enemies or lightly armoured ground targets. With the option to load 9 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's manoeuvrability or speed. It is a slow and methodical plane that requires to gear down from faster and more potently armed planes. In arcade battles, the bombs allow for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bomb sight means you can stay relatively high without endangering yourself. Should an enemy attempt an attack on you, dive away as quickly as possible. You do not have the turn speed nor the firepower for head-on attacks. The rear gunner, especially if armed with armour-piercing bullets, might prove enough of a deterrent for fabric biplanes. If the enemy plane persists in its desire to shoot down the B17BS, evade the shots by wiggling around. The plane has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and has the strength to withstand a few poorly placed 20 mm cannon shots. Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Can land/float on water, unlike its brothers
  • Great for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
  • The 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs perform well in Ground RB

Cons:

  • Slow and large target profile
  • Poor manoeuvrability
  • Small bomb load
  • Has weak defensive armament
  • Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the B17B and the B17A

History

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Media

Skins
Videos

See also

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  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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Swedish Aeroplane Company Ltd. (SAAB)
Pre-SAAB: ASJA  J6B
Fighters  J21A-1 · J21A-2 · A21A-3
Jet fighters  A21RB · J21RA · J29A · A29B · J29D · J29F · J32B · J35A · J35D · JA37C · JA37D · JAS39A
Jet attackers  A32A · A32A Röd Adam · AJ37 · AJS37 · SAAB-105G · SK60B
Bombers  B17A · B17B · S17BS
Dive-bombers  B3C · B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
Export  SAAB-105OE · Saab J35XS · JAS39C · ◔JAS39EBS HU C

Sweden bombers
B3  B3C
B17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
B18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
T 2  T 2
Finland  ▄Ar 196 A-5 · ▄Ju 88 A-4