Difference between revisions of "RN Comandante Margottini"

From War Thunder Wiki
Jump to: navigation, search
m (U38088265 moved page Comandante Margottini to RN Comandante Margottini: Renamed in 2.7)
(All Done)
Line 12: Line 12:
 
{{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 
{{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 
<!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
 
<!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.''
+
The RN Comandante Margottini is very reminiscent of the RN Etna for the hull it has. The dimensions are much smaller, but the compactness and strength is practically the same. It has a very good surface slightly angled at the front, which facilitates the rebound and the non-penetration of the bullets that arrive at the front of the ship.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   The wide hull and shallow draft allow the Margottini to remain very stable even during sharp turns. The armor of the hull is composed of 25 mm steel which protects it considerably against calibers up to 152 mm.                                                                                                                                                                                             The ship is embarked with 277 sailors which brings her to the second place for the ship with more crew at her battle rating, above her we find the Type 1934A. Even though she has less crew the Margottini can prove to be a great ship in battle.                                                                                                                                                           The crew is well distributed throughout the ship to maximize repairs and maximum ship survival.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}
+
The RN Comandante Margottini is propelled at a maximum speed of 65 km/h by two turbines with a total power of 60'000 HP. The engine room is located in the central part of the ship, slightly below sea level, which gives it a little protection.                                                                                                                                               The rudder transits from one end to the other in just 5 seconds, which is very useful in combat situations to change trajectory quickly and effectively.                       In reverse the Margottini can travel at the modest speed of -36 km/h.{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}
 
<!-- ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.'' -->
 
<!-- ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.'' -->
''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.''
 
 
 
{{NavalMobility}}
 
{{NavalMobility}}
  
Line 31: Line 29:
 
{{main|135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1938 (135 mm)}}
 
{{main|135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1938 (135 mm)}}
  
''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
+
The 135/45 cannons produced by Oto Melara and Ansaldo were built with the intention of recreating the same range as the 120/50 cannons, the only difference being the projectile which exits slower, but with much less dispersion.                                                                                                                                                              This type of cannon was mounted on the battleships Dulio and Andrea Doria and on the light cruisers of the Capitani Romani class. Italian engineers had planned to mount this type of armament on the Etna and Comandante Margottini classes, but unfortunately these were never finished.                                                             The 135mm cannon of the Margottini has a 9 second reload. Compared to other ships this is an above average reloading time, which penalises it a bit.                                                                                                                                                As ammunition goes it can load HE with 1.8 kg of explosive mass and a penetration of 23 mm, while the APHE has 1.4 kg of explosive and can penetrate 174 mm of armor.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         To conclude, it can load the HE-TF with the same amount of explosive as the HE but with greater efficiency against aerial targets. Speaking of ballistics, the Margottini is found with fairly slow rounds. The HE, APHE and HE-TF reach a velocity of 825 m/s just outside the muzzle of the gun, which doesn't help much in long-range combat.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It is recommended to use APHEs as they are much more effective than common HEs, although using APHEs for all targets is not really suitable, for example, against destroyers or ships with thin armor HEs are perfect. Unfortunately, due to the low velocity of the projectiles, we do not recommend engaging targets beyond 7 kilometers.
  
 
=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
Line 38: Line 36:
 
{{main|37 mm/54 Breda Mod.39 (37 mm)}}
 
{{main|37 mm/54 Breda Mod.39 (37 mm)}}
  
''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.''
+
This 37mm cannon was built by Ernesto Breda as an automatic anti-aircraft weapon. The 37mm/54 Breda cannon proved to be particularly effective at short-medium range and after several tests the Regia Marina in 1934 decided to use them in twin installations (mod. 32). On the Comandanti Margottini 12 model 39 cannons were installed. The model 39 was the first of the two individually mounted models.                                                                                                                         The 12 37mm cannons are divided into two groups, four are arranged on the sides of the ship immediately behind the control room and the remaining eight are well distributed in the middle and rear of the ship.                                                                                                                                                                                                    The maximum range of the cannons is 5.3 km and the maximum effectiveness is 2.5 km and they are armed with tracer bullets, unfortunately not modifiable. These 12 cannons are very effective to ward off aircraft or to cause superficial damage to other destroyers. If there are small boats trying to get too close the 37mm will have no problem sinking them.
  
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
Line 45: Line 43:
 
{{main|20 mm/65 Breda (20 mm)}}
 
{{main|20 mm/65 Breda (20 mm)}}
  
''An important part of the ship's armament responsible for air defence. Anti-aircraft armament is defined by the weapon chosen with the control <code>Select anti-aircraft weapons</code>. Talk about the ship's anti-air cannons and machine guns, the number of guns and their positions, their effective range, and about their overall effectiveness – including against surface targets. If there are no anti-aircraft armaments, remove this section.''
+
The Breda 20/65 was built by Ernesto Breda in 1932 as an anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapon. From day one it was immediately compared to the 20mm guns of Oerlikon, Lübee and Madsen. After long periods to decide on the correct weapon the Regia Marina in 1935 made its decision.                                                                                           It was decided to mount the 20mm Breda guns on the ships that needed them, including the RN Commander Margottini.                                                                 Unfortunately, only two of these cannons were mounted and they were located at the front of the ship, one on the left side and the other on the right side. The 20mm has three belts available: the Universal Belt, the HE Belt and the AP Belt. All three of the various combinations penetrate 38 mm.                                                         The maximum range for these guns is 4 km and the maximum effective range is 2 km. These two 20 mm Breda can also be very effective against small boats that come too close to the ship.
  
 
=== Additional armament ===
 
=== Additional armament ===
Line 52: Line 50:
 
{{main|S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M (533 mm)|B TG 100 depth charge}}
 
{{main|S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M (533 mm)|B TG 100 depth charge}}
  
''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''
+
In addition to the considerable main and auxiliary armament, the Commander Margottini can also carry 10 depth charges and 6 torpedoes.                                        The depth charges are stored in the rear part of the ship, more precisely at the height of the second main turret.                                                                                              The charges in question are the B TG 100 with 100 kg of explosives inside them and can be equipped after researching the modification.                                         The depth charges are super useful when you make very close encounters or when you are followed by a ship. It only takes one charge to eliminate your opponent. In addition to depth charges there is the possibility to charge 6 torpedoes, more precisely the S.I. 270.                                                                                                     These torpedoes without the researched and equipped modification can travel in water up to 93 km/h but only for 4 Km, while with the researched and equipped modification the torpedo loses 19 km/h of speed, but gains 8 Km of radius more. Torpedoes are an effective way to surprise the enemy without them expecting it, either at the beginning of the game or during a firefight.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
<!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 
<!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+
The RN Commander Margottini is a very good ship in almost every area. Its excellent survivability gives it a very good fighting spirit, it is recommended to use this ship with the support of allies. It plays very well in the front line, to face off against  other destroyers and light cruisers.                                                                                 If possible it would be best to have the front of the ship facing the target so that it can absorb as many hits as possible.                                                                                     One of the most sensitive parts of the ship is the command deck, it is very large and often the first to be hit in a firefight. This can be annoying because you can neither defend nor hide, it is the achilles heel of the ship.  A counter tactic to reduce this is to zig-zag the ship or move just after firing or noticing the enemy has fired.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We do not recommend engaging enemies beyond 7 km as the 135mm cannons will not do much damage, unfortunately it is due to the poor projectile speed, fired from her main cannons.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   If the enemy is very close to reduce the maximum damage angle the ship slightly to the left or right, this will also allow the use of the turrets in the rear of the ship. If possible avoid any kind of clash with ships above the Br. of 5.0 as the Margottini could be a bit 'in trouble.                                                                                             Returning to its Battle Rating, beware of German ships and those with automatic reloading systems such as: Fletcher, Akizuki, Pr. 35. With their high rate of fire, they can decimate the crew in a few seconds without causing any major damage to the ship.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 
<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''
 
  
 
'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
*
+
 
 +
* -Excellent survival due to it’s armour, strongest point have 16 mm 
 +
* -Good number of crew on the ship, 277 members
 +
* -Excellent forward and reverse speed, +65 km/h ; -36 km/h.
 +
* -Excellent maneuverability at full power.
 +
* -After an abrupt change of direction she doesn't stagger too much.
 +
* -Excellent auxiliary and anti-aircraft armament.
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
 +
 +
* -Slow projectiles, very penalized at long distances, 825 m/s
 +
* -Very large bridge, can be destroyed easily with salvo’s.
 +
* -Main armament has a slow reloading speed, 9 seconds.
 +
* -Parking and yawing of auxiliary armament are quite slow. 20 grad/sec and  15 grad/sec
 +
* -Excessively long hull, its length does not facilitate the avoidance of enemy shots and torpedoes.
 +
 
*
 
*
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
 
<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
 
<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+
During World War II, the Regia Marina did not have enough destroyers available, by September 1940, 7 destroyers had been lost in combat, so a decision was initiated to build 7 new destroyers to replace those destroyed.                                                                                                                                                                                                  To save development and design time, additional Soldier Classes were ordered.                                                                                                                                                              These new Soldati Classes got an additional 100 tons more in weight  because of the new anti-aircraft and anti-submarine armament which was updated, the construction of the first units took place in October 1940 and 5 ships entered service between February and August 1942.                                                                              During World War II, the armament of Soldier Class ships was modified several times and upgraded, eliminating a row of torpedo tubes and replacing them with anti-aircraft armament.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         During 1941, while the second series Soldier Classes were being built, it became clear that more destroyers had to be built, in fact the Navy Ministry decided to incorporate all changes on destroyers, based on the experience gained in the war, so it was understood that a new class of destroyers had to be started to be developed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The committee assigned the task of designing the new class to General Carlo Sigismondi (Corpo del Genio Navale) who was assisted by Lieutenant Colonel Giuseppe Malagoli (Corpo del Genio Navale). The new class was practically an update of the Soldier Class with the addition of more weight, the design of the ship changed in almost all parts except the layout of the engines which did not change, but the engines were upgraded to 60,000 horsepower.                                                         The speed was reduced to 35 knots, a speed considered sufficient for all the missions that the new class of destroyers had to perform.                                                                The first drawings of the projects were made quickly and the first orders were placed in September 1941, the construction of the first two units took place in the              Cantieri del Tirreno di Riva Trigoso on 10 September 1941, while other two units were allocated in the Cantieri Navali Riuniti di Ancona and four units were allocated in the Cantieri Navali Odero Terni Orlando (OTO) di Livorno on 27 September 1941.                                                                                                                                     After these 8 units it was planned to produce also the second series of this class of ship, the significant change of this new class of ship was the elimination of the twin 120/50 mm guns with the replacement of them with single 135/45 mm guns, then as anti-aircraft armament it was composed of 12 Breda mod.39 37/54 mm machine guns, the initial designs of the class when completed showed that the ship would normally have 2600 tons of weight, 120 m in length, with a smokestack that was clearly inspired by the Soldati class.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           During 1942 the project was again modified by eliminating the fifth gun positioned in the center of the ship to accommodate more anti-aircraft armament, in September 1942 the design was blocked in the same month orders were placed for 8 units of the second series (2 in Trigoso, 2 in Livorno and 4 in CRDA Trieste).                                    Later there was also a modification for the elimination of the stern director to favor the addition of more anti-aircraft armament.                                                                Orders were placed for 8 units of the third series on 7 October 1942 with CRDA Trieste.                                                                                                                                                The name of the new class was called: Comandanti Medaglie D’Oro. This name was chosen to remember the commanders who had received the gold medal (Medaglie D’Oro).                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At the end, between May 1944 and January 1945, aerial bombardments were carried out on the shipyards where the ships were being built, as a result of the damage they were demolished.
 +
 
 +
Expected Units
 +
 
 +
Comandante Margottini
 +
 
 +
Comandante Baroni
 +
 
 +
Comandante Borsini
 +
 
 +
Comandante Botti
 +
 
 +
Comandante Casana
 +
 
 +
Comandante Corsi
 +
 
 +
Comandante De Cristofaro
 +
 
 +
Comandante Dell’Anno
 +
 
 +
Comandante Esposito
 +
 
 +
Comandante Fiorelli
 +
 
 +
Comandante Fontana
 +
 
 +
Comandante Giannattasio
 +
 
 +
Comandante Giobbe
 +
 
 +
Comandante Giorgis
 +
 
 +
Comandante Milano
 +
 
 +
Comandante Moccagatta
 +
 
 +
Comandante Novaro
 +
 
 +
Comandante Rodocanacchi
 +
 
 +
Comandante Ruta
 +
 
 +
Comandante Toscano
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 
<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+
 
 +
[[File:War Thunder Screenshot 2021.07.09 - 21.54.31.06 - Copiac.png|center|thumb|474x474px]]
 +
[[File:War Thunder Screenshot 2021.07.09 - 21.57.56.44.png|center|thumb|507x507px]]
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
Line 81: Line 135:
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 
''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 +
 
* ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

Revision as of 17:28, 14 July 2021

Rank IV USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Tu-1 Pack
RN Comandante Margottini
it_destroyer_comandanti_medaglie_doro.png
GarageImage RN Comandante Margottini.jpg
RN Comandante Margottini
AB RB SB
4.0 4.0 4.0
Class:
Research:7 900 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:10 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Show in game

Description

The Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro-class, RN Comandante Margottini, project is a rank II Italian destroyer with a battle rating of 4.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Raining Fire".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower12 / 12 / 0 mm
Hull16 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section7
Displacement3 000 t
Crew277 people

The RN Comandante Margottini is very reminiscent of the RN Etna for the hull it has. The dimensions are much smaller, but the compactness and strength is practically the same. It has a very good surface slightly angled at the front, which facilitates the rebound and the non-penetration of the bullets that arrive at the front of the ship.  The wide hull and shallow draft allow the Margottini to remain very stable even during sharp turns. The armor of the hull is composed of 25 mm steel which protects it considerably against calibers up to 152 mm.  The ship is embarked with 277 sailors which brings her to the second place for the ship with more crew at her battle rating, above her we find the Type 1934A. Even though she has less crew the Margottini can prove to be a great ship in battle. The crew is well distributed throughout the ship to maximize repairs and maximum ship survival.

Mobility

The RN Comandante Margottini is propelled at a maximum speed of 65 km/h by two turbines with a total power of 60'000 HP. The engine room is located in the central part of the ship, slightly below sea level, which gives it a little protection.  The rudder transits from one end to the other in just 5 seconds, which is very useful in combat situations to change trajectory quickly and effectively.  In reverse the Margottini can travel at the modest speed of -36 km/h.
Speedforward / back
AB79 / 35 km/h
RB65 / 29 km/h
Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 79 35
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 65 29

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB855 → 1 090 Sl icon.png
RB1 353 → 1 726 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications6 930 Rp icon.png
6 750 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost530 Ge icon.png
Crew training3 000 Sl icon.png
Experts10 000 Sl icon.png
Aces125 Ge icon.png
Research Aces160 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
90 / 170 / 100 % Sl icon.png
112 / 112 / 112 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
Mods new ship hull.png
Dry-Docking
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship rudder.png
Rudder Replacement
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
380 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship screw.png
Propeller Replacement
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship engine.png
Engine Maintenance
Research:
450 Rp icon.png
Cost:
440 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship damage control crew.png
Damage Control Division
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship fire control crew.png
Fire Division
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
380 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods engine smoke screen system.png
Smokescreen
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
380 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods ship anti fragmentation protection.png
Shrapnel Protection
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship venting.png
Ventilation
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship pumps.png
New Pumps
Research:
450 Rp icon.png
Cost:
440 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship ammo wetting.png
Ammo Wetting
Research:
450 Rp icon.png
Cost:
440 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
135mm_it_45cal_oto_ap_ammo_pack
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods new aux caliber turrets.png
Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
380 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods he frag dist fuse ship.png
135mm_it_45cal_oto_he_df_ammo_pack
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new main caliber turrets.png
Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship rangefinder.png
Improved Rangefinder
Research:
290 Rp icon.png
Cost:
280 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship mortar.png
Bomb mortar
Research:
450 Rp icon.png
Cost:
440 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods torpedo.png
Torpedo Mode
Research:
450 Rp icon.png
Cost:
440 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

4 х Turret135 mm/45 O.T.O. Mod. 1937 cannon
Ammunition150 rounds
Vertical guidance-5° / 45°

The 135/45 cannons produced by Oto Melara and Ansaldo were built with the intention of recreating the same range as the 120/50 cannons, the only difference being the projectile which exits slower, but with much less dispersion. This type of cannon was mounted on the battleships Dulio and Andrea Doria and on the light cruisers of the Capitani Romani class. Italian engineers had planned to mount this type of armament on the Etna and Comandante Margottini classes, but unfortunately these were never finished. The 135mm cannon of the Margottini has a 9 second reload. Compared to other ships this is an above average reloading time, which penalises it a bit. As ammunition goes it can load HE with 1.8 kg of explosive mass and a penetration of 23 mm, while the APHE has 1.4 kg of explosive and can penetrate 174 mm of armor.  To conclude, it can load the HE-TF with the same amount of explosive as the HE but with greater efficiency against aerial targets. Speaking of ballistics, the Margottini is found with fairly slow rounds. The HE, APHE and HE-TF reach a velocity of 825 m/s just outside the muzzle of the gun, which doesn't help much in long-range combat. It is recommended to use APHEs as they are much more effective than common HEs, although using APHEs for all targets is not really suitable, for example, against destroyers or ships with thin armor HEs are perfect. Unfortunately, due to the low velocity of the projectiles, we do not recommend engaging targets beyond 7 kilometers.

Secondary armament

12 х Turret37 mm/54 Breda Mod.39 autocannon
Ammunition1500 rounds
Belt capacity6 rounds
Fire rate200 shots/min

This 37mm cannon was built by Ernesto Breda as an automatic anti-aircraft weapon. The 37mm/54 Breda cannon proved to be particularly effective at short-medium range and after several tests the Regia Marina in 1934 decided to use them in twin installations (mod. 32). On the Comandanti Margottini 12 model 39 cannons were installed. The model 39 was the first of the two individually mounted models. The 12 37mm cannons are divided into two groups, four are arranged on the sides of the ship immediately behind the control room and the remaining eight are well distributed in the middle and rear of the ship. The maximum range of the cannons is 5.3 km and the maximum effectiveness is 2.5 km and they are armed with tracer bullets, unfortunately not modifiable. These 12 cannons are very effective to ward off aircraft or to cause superficial damage to other destroyers. If there are small boats trying to get too close the 37mm will have no problem sinking them.

Anti-aircraft armament

The Breda 20/65 was built by Ernesto Breda in 1932 as an anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapon. From day one it was immediately compared to the 20mm guns of Oerlikon, Lübee and Madsen. After long periods to decide on the correct weapon the Regia Marina in 1935 made its decision.  It was decided to mount the 20mm Breda guns on the ships that needed them, including the RN Commander Margottini.  Unfortunately, only two of these cannons were mounted and they were located at the front of the ship, one on the left side and the other on the right side. The 20mm has three belts available: the Universal Belt, the HE Belt and the AP Belt. All three of the various combinations penetrate 38 mm.  The maximum range for these guns is 4 km and the maximum effective range is 2 km. These two 20 mm Breda can also be very effective against small boats that come too close to the ship.

Additional armament

Setup 16 x 533 mm steam turbined torpedo S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M
Setup 210 x B TG 100 depth charge
Setup 36 x 533 mm steam turbined torpedo S.I. 270/533,4X7,2 Tipo M
2 x B TG 100 depth charge

In addition to the considerable main and auxiliary armament, the Commander Margottini can also carry 10 depth charges and 6 torpedoes. The depth charges are stored in the rear part of the ship, more precisely at the height of the second main turret. The charges in question are the B TG 100 with 100 kg of explosives inside them and can be equipped after researching the modification.  The depth charges are super useful when you make very close encounters or when you are followed by a ship. It only takes one charge to eliminate your opponent. In addition to depth charges there is the possibility to charge 6 torpedoes, more precisely the S.I. 270.  These torpedoes without the researched and equipped modification can travel in water up to 93 km/h but only for 4 Km, while with the researched and equipped modification the torpedo loses 19 km/h of speed, but gains 8 Km of radius more. Torpedoes are an effective way to surprise the enemy without them expecting it, either at the beginning of the game or during a firefight.

Usage in battles

The RN Commander Margottini is a very good ship in almost every area. Its excellent survivability gives it a very good fighting spirit, it is recommended to use this ship with the support of allies. It plays very well in the front line, to face off against  other destroyers and light cruisers.  If possible it would be best to have the front of the ship facing the target so that it can absorb as many hits as possible.  One of the most sensitive parts of the ship is the command deck, it is very large and often the first to be hit in a firefight. This can be annoying because you can neither defend nor hide, it is the achilles heel of the ship.  A counter tactic to reduce this is to zig-zag the ship or move just after firing or noticing the enemy has fired. We do not recommend engaging enemies beyond 7 km as the 135mm cannons will not do much damage, unfortunately it is due to the poor projectile speed, fired from her main cannons.  If the enemy is very close to reduce the maximum damage angle the ship slightly to the left or right, this will also allow the use of the turrets in the rear of the ship. If possible avoid any kind of clash with ships above the Br. of 5.0 as the Margottini could be a bit 'in trouble.  Returning to its Battle Rating, beware of German ships and those with automatic reloading systems such as: Fletcher, Akizuki, Pr. 35. With their high rate of fire, they can decimate the crew in a few seconds without causing any major damage to the ship.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • -Excellent survival due to it’s armour, strongest point have 16 mm 
  • -Good number of crew on the ship, 277 members
  • -Excellent forward and reverse speed, +65 km/h ; -36 km/h.
  • -Excellent maneuverability at full power.
  • -After an abrupt change of direction she doesn't stagger too much.
  • -Excellent auxiliary and anti-aircraft armament.

Cons:

  • -Slow projectiles, very penalized at long distances, 825 m/s
  • -Very large bridge, can be destroyed easily with salvo’s.
  • -Main armament has a slow reloading speed, 9 seconds.
  • -Parking and yawing of auxiliary armament are quite slow. 20 grad/sec and 15 grad/sec
  • -Excessively long hull, its length does not facilitate the avoidance of enemy shots and torpedoes.

History

During World War II, the Regia Marina did not have enough destroyers available, by September 1940, 7 destroyers had been lost in combat, so a decision was initiated to build 7 new destroyers to replace those destroyed. To save development and design time, additional Soldier Classes were ordered. These new Soldati Classes got an additional 100 tons more in weight  because of the new anti-aircraft and anti-submarine armament which was updated, the construction of the first units took place in October 1940 and 5 ships entered service between February and August 1942. During World War II, the armament of Soldier Class ships was modified several times and upgraded, eliminating a row of torpedo tubes and replacing them with anti-aircraft armament. During 1941, while the second series Soldier Classes were being built, it became clear that more destroyers had to be built, in fact the Navy Ministry decided to incorporate all changes on destroyers, based on the experience gained in the war, so it was understood that a new class of destroyers had to be started to be developed. The committee assigned the task of designing the new class to General Carlo Sigismondi (Corpo del Genio Navale) who was assisted by Lieutenant Colonel Giuseppe Malagoli (Corpo del Genio Navale). The new class was practically an update of the Soldier Class with the addition of more weight, the design of the ship changed in almost all parts except the layout of the engines which did not change, but the engines were upgraded to 60,000 horsepower. The speed was reduced to 35 knots, a speed considered sufficient for all the missions that the new class of destroyers had to perform. The first drawings of the projects were made quickly and the first orders were placed in September 1941, the construction of the first two units took place in the Cantieri del Tirreno di Riva Trigoso on 10 September 1941, while other two units were allocated in the Cantieri Navali Riuniti di Ancona and four units were allocated in the Cantieri Navali Odero Terni Orlando (OTO) di Livorno on 27 September 1941. After these 8 units it was planned to produce also the second series of this class of ship, the significant change of this new class of ship was the elimination of the twin 120/50 mm guns with the replacement of them with single 135/45 mm guns, then as anti-aircraft armament it was composed of 12 Breda mod.39 37/54 mm machine guns, the initial designs of the class when completed showed that the ship would normally have 2600 tons of weight, 120 m in length, with a smokestack that was clearly inspired by the Soldati class. During 1942 the project was again modified by eliminating the fifth gun positioned in the center of the ship to accommodate more anti-aircraft armament, in September 1942 the design was blocked in the same month orders were placed for 8 units of the second series (2 in Trigoso, 2 in Livorno and 4 in CRDA Trieste). Later there was also a modification for the elimination of the stern director to favor the addition of more anti-aircraft armament. Orders were placed for 8 units of the third series on 7 October 1942 with CRDA Trieste. The name of the new class was called: Comandanti Medaglie D’Oro. This name was chosen to remember the commanders who had received the gold medal (Medaglie D’Oro). At the end, between May 1944 and January 1945, aerial bombardments were carried out on the shipyards where the ships were being built, as a result of the damage they were demolished.

Expected Units

Comandante Margottini

Comandante Baroni

Comandante Borsini

Comandante Botti

Comandante Casana

Comandante Corsi

Comandante De Cristofaro

Comandante Dell’Anno

Comandante Esposito

Comandante Fiorelli

Comandante Fontana

Comandante Giannattasio

Comandante Giobbe

Comandante Giorgis

Comandante Milano

Comandante Moccagatta

Comandante Novaro

Comandante Rodocanacchi

Comandante Ruta

Comandante Toscano

Media

See also

Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the ship;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the ship;
  • other literature.


Italy destroyers
  Regia Marina
Aquila-class  RN Aquila
Leone-class  RN Leone · RN Tigre
Turbine-class  RN Aquilone · RN Turbine
Navigatori-class  RN Da Verazzano
Dardo-class  RN Dardo
Soldati-class  RN Aviere · RN Corazziere · RN Geniere
Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro-class  RN Comandante Margottini
  Marina Militare
Fante-class*  Geniere
Indomito-class  Impetuoso
  * Modified Fletcher-class destroyers