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{{Specs-Card|code=mig-17}}
 
 
{{About
 
{{About
 
| about = Russian jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
| about = Russian jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
| usage = other versions
 
| usage = other versions
 
| link = MiG-17 (Family)
 
| link = MiG-17 (Family)
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|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]]. It is known by many names in the world, with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco'', the Chinese name [[J-4|''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'']], and the Polish name ''PZL-Mielec Lim-5''.
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The '''MiG-17''' is a Rank V Soviet jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0. It was introduced in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". The MiG-17 is the top-rank aircraft in the Soviet fighter line-up. It is known by many names in the world, with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco'', the Chinese name ''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'', and the Polish name ''PZL-Mielec Lim-5''.
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Building off of the successful [[MiG-15]], the {{PAGENAME}} improves performance and handling to be better able to tolerate the higher speeds common in jet combat.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
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[[File:CockpitImage_MiG-15.jpg|thumbnail|right|The '''MiG-17''''s instrument panel.]]
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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=== Flight performance ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
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The MiG-17 is a high-subsonic fighter aircraft, it retained the Klimov VK-1 engine that was used by its predecessor, the MiG-15bis. Although the plane is heavier, its level speed performance is slightly improved due to aerodynamic improvements such as a new thinner and more highly swept wing and tailplane. The level speed at sea level is 1,121 km/h, very close to its structural speed limit and over 40 km/h higher than the MiG-15, that makes it very comparable with other jets like the F-86F series.
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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The climb rate performance remained the same: with full fuel tanks it is 50 m/s at very low altitude and 35 m/s above 5,000 m altitude, which puts it on par with the Sabre series but is significantly worse than the British Hawker Hunter F.1 or French Super Mystère B2 with an afterburner that can get to 6,000 m altitude in over two minutes. Since the MiG-17 is heavier its thrust to weight ratio is decreased and it affects its acceleration at low and medium speeds, but at higher speed due to lower drag and more swept wings it is slightly better.
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Prolonged usage of maximum power in this plane may cause its engine to overheat after 10 minutes of flight, when the plane is cruising and not in any combat situation it is recommended to reduce it to 95% or 90% which does not have any operation limit.
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The dogfighting capabilities are very close to its precursor, while it is over 200 kg heavier its wing area is also increased, so the wing loading is slightly lower, at low and medium speed its turn rate is slightly worse, but once the plane reaches 750 km/h it gets better. However it still suffers to some extent from compressibility issues near transonic speed. The MiG-17 is still a very dangerous foe to the Sabre series and many other jet fighters, one of its main strengths is performance in vertical manoeuvres. It is also capable of outturning the Sabre, the Super Mystère or Hunter so facing them should not be a problem.
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Its roll rate is practically the same as the MiG-15bis, mediocre at low and medium speed and it can get very bad above 900 km/h. It is very close to 100 °/s at 600 km/h IAS and lowers to ~50 °/s upon reaching 900 km/h IAS.
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The airbrake is the same: it can help slow down to the speed range where its turn rate is the best. Flaps also have the same speed limit, over 600 km/h in take-off position and 450 km/h for landing, which is quite high, just like its landing gear, which can come very handy when the plane is landing after having taken some damage.
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With full-real controls it is very pleasant to fly, does not have any stability issues at any speed and it is very easy to aim. Its nose will keep dropping until it reaches 850 km/h IAS so it might need some positive pitch trimming below that speed, above that it should be trimmed from -1% to 3%, depending on how fast it is.
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The stalling characteristics are quite forgiving, after reaching the maximum angle of attack it will not start rolling to any side immediately, but its speed will keep decreasing very fast.
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
 
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| 1,097 || 1,061 || 15,500 || 22.2 || 23.2 || 41.2 || 39.1 || 475
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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! Stock
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| 1,091 || 1,061 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 22.2 || 23.2 || 41.2 || 39.1 || rowspan="2" | 475
 
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|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
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! Upgraded
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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| 1,128 || 1,114 || 21.2 || 21.5 || 59.9 || 50.0
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
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! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
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| ? || 1,114 || 15,500 || ??.? || 21.5 || ?.? || 50.0 || 475
 
 
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|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
====Details====
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==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
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! colspan="6" | Features
 
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! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
! Take-off flap
 
! Landing flap
 
! Air brakes
 
! Arrestor gear
 
 
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
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|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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|-
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
! -
 
 
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| 1,150 || 450 || 650 || ~18 || ~8
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
 
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|-
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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|-
! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
 
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| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || > 250
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| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
 
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|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
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==== Engine performance ====
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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! colspan="3" | Engine
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! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
 
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|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
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! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 
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! Optimal altitude
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| colspan="2" | Klimov VK-1 ||  1
! 100% Engine power
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| colspan="2" | 3,868 kg || colspan="2" | 223 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
! WEP Engine power
 
 
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| 0 m || 2450 kgf || No WEP
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! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br />Weight
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! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
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! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel
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| 892 kg || colspan="2" | Centrifugal-flow turbojet
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| 4,209 kg || 4,625 kg || 5,041 kg || 5,485 kg
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
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! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
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! Condition || 100% || WEP
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! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel || MTOW
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| ''Stationary'' || 2,450 kgf || N/A
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| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
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| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf<br />(0 km/h) || N/A
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| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
 
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|}
  
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
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* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
 
* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
 
* 16 mm Steel plates behind the pilot.
 
* 16 mm Steel plates behind the pilot.
 
* 10 mm Steel plate in the nose.
 
* 10 mm Steel plate in the nose.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
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It is recommended to prioritize performance modification and 37mm belts over other modifications.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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{{main|N-37D (37 mm)|NR-23 (23 mm)}}
 
{{main|N-37D (37 mm)|NR-23 (23 mm)}}
  
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* 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, nose-mounted (40 rpg)
 
* 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, nose-mounted (40 rpg)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannon, nose-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
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* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, nose-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
  
 
=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
{{main|OFAB-250-270 (500 kg)|S5K|S5M|S21}}
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{{main|OFAB-250-270 (250 kg)|S-5K|S-5M|S-21}}
  
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with external ordinance such as:
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
  
 
* Without load
 
* Without load
 
* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
 
* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
* 16 x S5K rockets
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* 16 x S-5K rockets
* 16 x S5M rockets
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* 16 x S-5M rockets
* 2 x S21 rockets
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* 2 x S-21 rockets
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The newly gained top speed performance and maneuverbility come at a hefty price. Turn rate and low speed flexibility is gone, due the stronger swept wing design and gained a quarter&middot;tonnes.
 
 
 
Acceleration also takes a hit, especially on take-off the predecessor will rush ahead.
 
  
As some positive characteristics traits of the MiG-15 vanish, some negative aspect vanish. The newly designed tail enables far better control close over Mach 0.8 (it still lacks a flying tail though) and the roll rate also significantly improved. Manual limitation set the airframe at positive 8G, with the increased control the likelihood of over stressing your airframe is easy and a steady hand required in evasive maneuvers.
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The MiG-17 should be played like its predecessors, the MiG-15s. In 1v1 situations, the -17 will easily win if played correctly, and due to its superior flight characteristics it is easier to win fights against multiple enemies. You have the upper hand in the initial dogfight, as your great turn will allow you to get on their 6 without much difficulty. However, in a prolonged engagement the chances of you losing increase due to your heavier weight and good, yet not spectacular energy retention. If the player is uncomfortable with dogfighting, the MiG-17 can also be a very effective boom-and-zoom fighter.
 
 
===Modules===
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! colspan="1" | Tier
 
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
 
! colspan="1" | Survivability
 
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
 
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| I
 
| Fuselage Repair
 
| Compressor
 
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| Offensive 23 mm
 
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| BD-2-48
 
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| II
 
| New Boosters
 
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| Airframe
 
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| Offensive 37 mm
 
| S5K
 
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| III
 
| Wings Repair
 
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| New 23 mm Cannons
 
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| S5M
 
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| IV
 
| G-Suit
 
| Engine
 
| Cover
 
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| New 37 mm Cannons
 
| S21
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
* Incredibly fast in a dive.
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* Excellent acceleration and speed in dives
* Excellent climb speed, almost same as the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]
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* Excellent climb rate, almost same as the [[MiG-15bis]]
* Very good maneuverability at low to medium speeds, also better maneuverability than its predecessor at high speed
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* Guns will tear even the heaviest of bombers into shreds with an accurate burst
* Excellent energy retention, but if you turn too hard, expect to lose a few hundred km/h
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* Very good manoeuvrability at low to medium speeds
* Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h when diving
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* More manoeuvrable at high speeds than the MiG-15s
* Unless rolling and pulling up at the same time, its hard to break your wings in turn
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* Excellent energy retention, but still loses some speed when turning hard
* Similarities with [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]] means the play style between the two are quite similar
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* If you airbrake enemies should struggle to make you overshoot
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* Performs well at altitude when compared to aircraft such as the F-86F Sabres and the Hunter F.1
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* Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h (IAS) and up to Mach 1.10 when diving
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* Hard to break wings in a turn without rolling
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* Very similar to the [[MiG-15bis]], meaning similar play styles
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
* Roll rate is not very good, but its still better than that of the the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]
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* Roll rate is not on par with others in this tier
* Guns are hard to aim and lead due to their relatively low muzzle velocity; small ammo capacity
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* Armament difficult to use (low velocities, low ammo and two different trajectories)
* Different trajectory performances between 23 mm and 37 mm; requires experience and practice to use the weapons
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* Mediocre acceleration in speeds between 800 - 1,100 km/h
* Poor acceleration in speeds between 800 - 1,100 km/h
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* Acceleration and energy retention makes defensive fighting harder as you might overshoot targets
* Doesn't do well in uptiers due to lack of air-to-air missles, afterburner and radar
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* Poor forward visibility in Simulator, as a large canopy frame and the gunsight block the top and bottom
* Engine easily overheats, throttle management necessary
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* Lacks radar rangefinder for the gyro sight
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* Engine eventually might overheat when operated over 96% throttle
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* Does not handle damage very well
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The Korean war showed that the MiG-15 and [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]] fighters were able to battle any aerial opponent at least on equal terms. The MiG-17 was a further development of the MiG-15 design that had proven itself so well. It was decided to increase the aircraft’s speed by increasing the sweep of the wing and the fuselage being lengthened to maintain the centre of gravity. The [[MiG-15|MiG-15]] and MiG-17 show almost no differences at first glance. The prototype of the MiG-17 was even called the MiG-15bis45. However, only the frontal parts of the fuselage are the same, from the air intake to the wing, if you don’t count the landing headlight that had been moved to the left wing and some minor details.
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The Korean war showed that the MiG-15 and [[MiG-15bis]] fighters were able to battle any aerial opponent at least on equal terms. The MiG-17 was a further development of the MiG-15 design that had proven itself so well. It was decided to increase the aircraft's speed by increasing the sweep of the wing and the fuselage being lengthened to maintain the centre of gravity. The [[MiG-15]] and MiG-17 show almost no differences at first glance. The prototype of the MiG-17 was even called the MiG-15bis45. However, only the frontal parts of the fuselage are the same, from the air intake to the wing, if you don't count the landing headlight that had been moved to the left wing and some minor details.
  
These aircraft are different in every other way. It is easy to see the main differences when you look from above. By comparing the side profiles, you can see that in addition to the difference in fuselage length there are differences in the tail fin and an additional ventral fin which allows you to immediately tell the MiG-17 apart from the MiG-15. The upper part of the fins and the rudders of the aircraft are different, the juncture between the fin and the stabilizer fin also differs, but this can only be seen close up. The wing sweep of the stabilizer fin was also increased and there were also changes to elevators. The air brakes also differ in shape and size. The depth of the housing was decreased, so a cigar-shaped cowl was created to hide the cylinder. There were very significant changes to the wing. Apart from an increased wing sweep, a leading edge break appeared and the tips became rounder, which helps differentiate the aircraft when looking at them from above or below. While the Mig-15 had two aerodynamic ridges on the top surface of its wings, the MiG-17 had three.
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These aircraft are different in every other way. It is easy to see the main differences when you look from above. By comparing the side profiles, you can see that in addition to the difference in fuselage length there are differences in the tail fin and an additional ventral fin which allows you to immediately tell the MiG-17 apart from the MiG-15. The upper part of the fins and the rudders of the aircraft are different, the juncture between the fin and the stabilizer fin also differs, but this can only be seen close up. The wing sweep of the stabilizer fin was also increased and there were also changes to elevators. The air brakes also differ in shape and size. The depth of the housing was decreased, so a cigar-shaped cowl was created to hide the cylinder. There were very significant changes to the wing. Apart from an increased wing sweep, a leading edge break appeared and the tips became rounder, which helps differentiate the aircraft when looking at them from above or below. While the MiG-15 had two aerodynamic ridges on the top surface of its wings, the MiG-17 had three.
  
The change in the shape of the wing led to appropriate changes in the construction of the flaps. The new geometry of the main landing gear legs required for the cover to be altered. The structure of the canopy also saw some changes. However, the first versions of the MiG-17 had the same canopies as the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]. Apart from changes to the design of the canopy framing (which is not actually that noticeable from afar), a rear-view mirror was introduced that would allow the aircraft to be recognized from further away. There were no significant changes to the cockpit. Overall, the MiG-17 looks even more aesthetically pleasing and streamlined than its predecessor.
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The change in the shape of the wing led to appropriate changes in the construction of the flaps. The new geometry of the main landing gear legs required for the cover to be altered. The structure of the canopy also saw some changes. However, the first versions of the MiG-17 had the same canopies as the [[MiG-15bis]]. Apart from changes to the design of the canopy framing (which is not actually that noticeable from afar), a rear-view mirror was introduced that would allow the aircraft to be recognized from further away. There were no significant changes to the cockpit. Overall, the MiG-17 looks even more aesthetically pleasing and streamlined than its predecessor.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=mig-17 Skins and camouflages for the MiG-17 from live.warthunder]
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=mig-17 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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<div><ul>
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<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:MiG-17_Image1.png|thumb|none|300px|A MiG-17 avoiding the rounds from an F-86F-25 Sabre.]] </li>
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<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:Mig17vf86.png|thumb|none|300px|A MiG-17 after a hard-earned victory over an F-86 Sabre.]] </li>
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MiG-17
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Description

The MiG-17 is a rank VI Soviet jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". It is known by many names in the world, with a NATO reporting name of Fresco, the Chinese name Shenyang J-5 (歼-5), and the Polish name PZL-Mielec Lim-5.

Building off of the successful MiG-15, the MiG-17 improves performance and handling to be better able to tolerate the higher speeds common in jet combat.

General info

The MiG-17's instrument panel.

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 2 000 m1 114 km/h
Turn time21 s
Max altitude15 500 m
EngineKlimov VK-1
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight5 t

The MiG-17 is a high-subsonic fighter aircraft, it retained the Klimov VK-1 engine that was used by its predecessor, the MiG-15bis. Although the plane is heavier, its level speed performance is slightly improved due to aerodynamic improvements such as a new thinner and more highly swept wing and tailplane. The level speed at sea level is 1,121 km/h, very close to its structural speed limit and over 40 km/h higher than the MiG-15, that makes it very comparable with other jets like the F-86F series. The climb rate performance remained the same: with full fuel tanks it is 50 m/s at very low altitude and 35 m/s above 5,000 m altitude, which puts it on par with the Sabre series but is significantly worse than the British Hawker Hunter F.1 or French Super Mystère B2 with an afterburner that can get to 6,000 m altitude in over two minutes. Since the MiG-17 is heavier its thrust to weight ratio is decreased and it affects its acceleration at low and medium speeds, but at higher speed due to lower drag and more swept wings it is slightly better. Prolonged usage of maximum power in this plane may cause its engine to overheat after 10 minutes of flight, when the plane is cruising and not in any combat situation it is recommended to reduce it to 95% or 90% which does not have any operation limit.

The dogfighting capabilities are very close to its precursor, while it is over 200 kg heavier its wing area is also increased, so the wing loading is slightly lower, at low and medium speed its turn rate is slightly worse, but once the plane reaches 750 km/h it gets better. However it still suffers to some extent from compressibility issues near transonic speed. The MiG-17 is still a very dangerous foe to the Sabre series and many other jet fighters, one of its main strengths is performance in vertical manoeuvres. It is also capable of outturning the Sabre, the Super Mystère or Hunter so facing them should not be a problem. Its roll rate is practically the same as the MiG-15bis, mediocre at low and medium speed and it can get very bad above 900 km/h. It is very close to 100 °/s at 600 km/h IAS and lowers to ~50 °/s upon reaching 900 km/h IAS. The airbrake is the same: it can help slow down to the speed range where its turn rate is the best. Flaps also have the same speed limit, over 600 km/h in take-off position and 450 km/h for landing, which is quite high, just like its landing gear, which can come very handy when the plane is landing after having taken some damage.

With full-real controls it is very pleasant to fly, does not have any stability issues at any speed and it is very easy to aim. Its nose will keep dropping until it reaches 850 km/h IAS so it might need some positive pitch trimming below that speed, above that it should be trimmed from -1% to 3%, depending on how fast it is. The stalling characteristics are quite forgiving, after reaching the maximum angle of attack it will not start rolling to any side immediately, but its speed will keep decreasing very fast.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 2,000 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,091 1,061 15500 22.2 23.2 41.2 39.1 475
Upgraded 1,128 1,114 21.2 21.5 59.9 50.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
X X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
0 450 N/A 598 450 ~12 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 600 < 700 < 750 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Empty mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Klimov VK-1 1 3,868 kg 223 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 9m fuel 20m fuel 31m fuel
892 kg Centrifugal-flow turbojet 4,209 kg 4,625 kg 5,041 kg 5,485 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 9m fuel 20m fuel 31m fuel MTOW
Stationary 2,450 kgf N/A 0.58 0.53 0.49 0.45
Optimal 2,450 kgf
(0 km/h)
N/A 0.58 0.53 0.49 0.45

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear450 km/h
  • 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
  • 16 mm Steel plates behind the pilot.
  • 10 mm Steel plate in the nose.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 981 → 4 435 Sl icon.png
RB8 505 → 12 655 Sl icon.png
SB9 272 → 13 796 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications142 600 Rp icon.png
225 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training130 000 Sl icon.png
Experts450 000 Sl icon.png
Aces2 200 Ge icon.png
Research Aces890 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
130 / 380 / 600 % Sl icon.png
214 / 214 / 214 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
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Fuselage repair
Research:
7 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
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Compressor
Research:
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Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
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New boosters
Research:
8 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
560 Ge icon.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
8 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
ns23_belt_pack
Research:
7 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
D-4-50
Research:
7 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods ammo.png
ns37_belt_pack
Research:
8 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
S-5K
Research:
8 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
370 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
ns23_new_gun
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
560 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
S-5M
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
560 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods jet engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
n37_new_gun
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png
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S-21
Research:
7 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
360 Ge icon.png

It is recommended to prioritize performance modification and 37mm belts over other modifications.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Ammunition40 rounds
Fire rate400 shots/min
Weapon 22 x 23 mm NR-23 cannon
Ammunition160 rounds
Fire rate900 shots/min

The MiG-17 is armed with:

  • 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, nose-mounted (40 rpg)
  • 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, nose-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

Suspended armament

List of setups (4)
Setup 12 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bomb
Setup 216 x S-5K rockets
Setup 316 x S-5M rockets
Setup 42 x S-21 rockets

The MiG-17 can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
  • 16 x S-5K rockets
  • 16 x S-5M rockets
  • 2 x S-21 rockets

Usage in battles

The MiG-17 should be played like its predecessors, the MiG-15s. In 1v1 situations, the -17 will easily win if played correctly, and due to its superior flight characteristics it is easier to win fights against multiple enemies. You have the upper hand in the initial dogfight, as your great turn will allow you to get on their 6 without much difficulty. However, in a prolonged engagement the chances of you losing increase due to your heavier weight and good, yet not spectacular energy retention. If the player is uncomfortable with dogfighting, the MiG-17 can also be a very effective boom-and-zoom fighter.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent acceleration and speed in dives
  • Excellent climb rate, almost same as the MiG-15bis
  • Guns will tear even the heaviest of bombers into shreds with an accurate burst
  • Very good manoeuvrability at low to medium speeds
  • More manoeuvrable at high speeds than the MiG-15s
  • Excellent energy retention, but still loses some speed when turning hard
  • If you airbrake enemies should struggle to make you overshoot
  • Performs well at altitude when compared to aircraft such as the F-86F Sabres and the Hunter F.1
  • Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h (IAS) and up to Mach 1.10 when diving
  • Hard to break wings in a turn without rolling
  • Very similar to the MiG-15bis, meaning similar play styles

Cons:

  • Roll rate is not on par with others in this tier
  • Armament difficult to use (low velocities, low ammo and two different trajectories)
  • Mediocre acceleration in speeds between 800 - 1,100 km/h
  • Acceleration and energy retention makes defensive fighting harder as you might overshoot targets
  • Poor forward visibility in Simulator, as a large canopy frame and the gunsight block the top and bottom
  • Lacks radar rangefinder for the gyro sight
  • Engine eventually might overheat when operated over 96% throttle
  • Does not handle damage very well

History

The Korean war showed that the MiG-15 and MiG-15bis fighters were able to battle any aerial opponent at least on equal terms. The MiG-17 was a further development of the MiG-15 design that had proven itself so well. It was decided to increase the aircraft's speed by increasing the sweep of the wing and the fuselage being lengthened to maintain the centre of gravity. The MiG-15 and MiG-17 show almost no differences at first glance. The prototype of the MiG-17 was even called the MiG-15bis45. However, only the frontal parts of the fuselage are the same, from the air intake to the wing, if you don't count the landing headlight that had been moved to the left wing and some minor details.

These aircraft are different in every other way. It is easy to see the main differences when you look from above. By comparing the side profiles, you can see that in addition to the difference in fuselage length there are differences in the tail fin and an additional ventral fin which allows you to immediately tell the MiG-17 apart from the MiG-15. The upper part of the fins and the rudders of the aircraft are different, the juncture between the fin and the stabilizer fin also differs, but this can only be seen close up. The wing sweep of the stabilizer fin was also increased and there were also changes to elevators. The air brakes also differ in shape and size. The depth of the housing was decreased, so a cigar-shaped cowl was created to hide the cylinder. There were very significant changes to the wing. Apart from an increased wing sweep, a leading edge break appeared and the tips became rounder, which helps differentiate the aircraft when looking at them from above or below. While the MiG-15 had two aerodynamic ridges on the top surface of its wings, the MiG-17 had three.

The change in the shape of the wing led to appropriate changes in the construction of the flaps. The new geometry of the main landing gear legs required for the cover to be altered. The structure of the canopy also saw some changes. However, the first versions of the MiG-17 had the same canopies as the MiG-15bis. Apart from changes to the design of the canopy framing (which is not actually that noticeable from afar), a rear-view mirror was introduced that would allow the aircraft to be recognized from further away. There were no significant changes to the cockpit. Overall, the MiG-17 looks even more aesthetically pleasing and streamlined than its predecessor.

Media

Skins
Images
  • A MiG-17 avoiding the rounds from an F-86F-25 Sabre.
  • A MiG-17 after a hard-earned victory over an F-86 Sabre.
Videos

See also

Related development


Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

External links


Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau (Микоя́н и Гуре́вич Опытное конструкторское бюро)
Fighters  MiG-3-15 · MiG-3-15 (BK) · MiG-3-34
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  MiG-15 · MiG-15bis · MiG-15bis ISH
  MiG-17
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  MiG-23M · MiG-23ML · MiG-23MLD
  MiG-27M · MiG-27K
  MiG-29 · MiG-29SMT
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  ◊MiG-15bis · ◔MiG-15bis · J-2*
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