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{{AutoWeapon-Card
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| image = <!-- File:Weapon_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg -->
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| title = {{PAGENAME}}
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| MG-calibre = 7.92
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| Belt-capacity =
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| RoF = 1,150
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| MG-velocity = 855 - 905
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| MG-max-pen = 13
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
<!--''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''-->
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Named MG 17 to fool the allies to beliving it was a late-war design thus being not in violation of the treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns.  
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Named MG 17 to fool the allies to believing it was a late-war design thus not being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns.
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
<!-- ''List out vehicles that are equipped with the weapon.'' -->
 
<!-- ''List out vehicles that are equipped with the weapon.'' -->
 
{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
 
{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}
 
{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 A-E}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109a_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109b_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3_japan}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-7}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 A}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109a_1|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 F-G}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_trop}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_romania}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 B}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109b_2|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|Fw 190}}{{Specs-Link|fw-189a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_cannons}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_japan}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190c}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 E}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-4|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3_japan|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-7|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|He 51}}{{Specs-Link|he51a1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b_2w}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1_late}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 F}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_usa|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_trop|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|He 100}}{{Specs-Link|he_100d_1}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 G}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_romania|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_hungary|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|He 112}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_0}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112v_5}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|a7he1}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Fw 190 A}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-4|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_cannons|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5|Fw 190 A-5/U12}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_japan|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Fw 190 C}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190c|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|He 51}}{{Specs-Link|he51a1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b_2w|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1_late|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|He 100}}{{Specs-Link|he_100d_1|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|He 112}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_0|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|a7he1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112v_5|short}}
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}
 
{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Bf 110}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110f-2}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Bf 110}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-6|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-4|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110f-2|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|Do 217}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_2}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Do 17}}{{Specs-Link|do_17z_7|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|Me 410}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1_u2}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Do 217}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_2|short}}
{{Navigation-Line|Other}}{{Specs-Link|do_17z_7}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-88c-6}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Ju 88}}{{Specs-Link|ju-88c-6|short}}
{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Attackers'''}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania_italy|Hs 129 B-2 (Romania) (Italy)}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-3}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Me 410}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1_u2|short}}
{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|he-111h-6}}&nbsp;(Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-123a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2_italy}}
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Attackers'''}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania_italy|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-3|short}}
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Fw 189}}{{Specs-Link|fw-189a-1|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|He 111}}{{Specs-Link|he-111h-6|short}}&nbsp;(Defensive)
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{{Navigation-Line|Hs 123}}{{Specs-Link|hs-123a-1|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-123a-1_china|short}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Ju 87}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87b-2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3_italy|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2|short}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2_italy|short}}
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{{Navigation-End}}
 
{{Navigation-End}}
  
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''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
 
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
  
=== Available shells ===
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=== Available ammunition ===
<!--''Describe the shells that are available for the cannon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''-->
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* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
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* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}
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* '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
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* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
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* '''Default (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
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*'''Armored targets (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
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* '''AP-T (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
  
* Default: AP-T/Ball/Ball/AP-I/AI
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
* Universal: AP-T/AP/AI/AP-I
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! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
* Tracers: AP-T
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* Stealth: AI/AP/AP/AP/AI
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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| AI || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
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| AP || 13 || 12 || 7 || 2 || 1 || 1
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| AP-I || 10 || 9 || 7 || 4 || 1 || 1
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|-
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| AP-T || 13 || 12 || 7 || 2 || 1 || 1
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|-
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| Ball || 5 || 4 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="10" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! rowspan="2" | Normalisation at 30°<br>from horizontal
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
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|-
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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| AI || 870 || 0.0109 || N/A || 3.0 || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
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| AP || 855 || 0.0115 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
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| AP-I || 880 || 0.0102 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
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|-
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| AP-T || 905 || 0.01 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
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| Ball || 855 || 0.01 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
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|-
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|}
  
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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* [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)]]
 
* [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)]]
 
* [[MG 34 (7.92 mm)]]
 
* [[MG 34 (7.92 mm)]]
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
<!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against the main opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
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<!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
 
 
 
In the game, this machine gun works as all of the other rifle-calibre machine guns allowing for easier learning of ballistics.
 
In the game, this machine gun works as all of the other rifle-calibre machine guns allowing for easier learning of ballistics.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
 
* High muzzle velocity
 
* High muzzle velocity
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== History ==
 
== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of this weapon. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.''
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''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
 
* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 
* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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== External links ==
 
== External links ==
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''

Revision as of 15:39, 11 October 2019

MG 17 (7.92 mm)
General characteristics
7.92 mmCalibre
1,150 shots/minRate of fire
855 - 905 m/sMuzzle velocity
13 mm Maximum penetration

Description

Named MG 17 to fool the allies to believing it was a late-war design thus not being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

Vehicles equipped with this weapon
Fighters 
Bf 109 A  Flegel's Bf 109 A
Bf 109 B  Bf 109 B-1
Bf 109 E  Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · ▅Bf 109 E-7 · Bf 109 E-7/U2
Bf 109 F  Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · ▃Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop
Bf 109 G  Bf 109 G-2 · ▄Bf 109 G-2 · Bf 109 G-2/trop
Fw 190 A  Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U12 · ▅Fw 190 A-5
Fw 190 C  Fw 190 C
He 51  He 51 A-1 · He 51 B-1 · He 51 B-2/H · He 51 C-1 · He 51 C-1/L
He 100  He 100 D-1
He 112  He 112 B-0 · A7He1 · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5
Twin-engine fighters 
Bf 110  Bf 110 C-6 · Bf 110 C-7 · Bf 110 F-2
Do 17  Do 17 Z-7
Do 217  Do 217 J-1 · Do 217 J-2 · Do 217 N-1 · Do 217 N-2
Ju 88  Ju 88 C-6
Me 410  Me 410 A-1 · Me 410 A-1/U2
Attackers  Hs 129 B-2 · Hs 129 B-2 (Romania) · Hs 129 B-2 (Romania) · Hs 129 B-3
Bombers 
Fw 189  Fw 189 A-1
He 111  He 111 H-6 (Defensive)
Hs 123  Hs 123 A-1 · ␗Hs 123 A-1
Ju 87  Ju 87 B-2 · Ju 87 D-3 · ▄Ju 87 D-3 · Ju 87 R-2 · ▄Ju 87 R-2

General info

Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.

Available ammunition

  • Default: AP-T · Ball · Ball · AP-I · AI
  • Universal: AP-T · AP · AI · AP-I
  • Tracers: AP-T
  • Stealth: AI · AP · AP · AP · AI
  • Default (turret): AP-T · Ball · Ball · AP-I · AI
  • Armored targets (turret): AP · AP · AP · AP-T
  • AP-T (turret): AP-I · AP-T · AP-I · AP-T
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
AI 3 3 3 3 3 3
AP 13 12 7 2 1 1
AP-I 10 9 7 4 1 1
AP-T 13 12 7 2 1 1
Ball 5 4 2 1 0 0
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
AI 870 0.0109 N/A 3.0 N/A +2.0° 47° 60° 65°
AP 855 0.0115 N/A N/A N/A +2.0° 47° 60° 65°
AP-I 880 0.0102 N/A N/A N/A +2.0° 47° 60° 65°
AP-T 905 0.01 N/A N/A N/A +2.0° 47° 60° 65°
Ball 855 0.01 N/A N/A N/A +2.0° 47° 60° 65°

Comparison with analogues

Usage in battles

In the game, this machine gun works as all of the other rifle-calibre machine guns allowing for easier learning of ballistics.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High muzzle velocity
  • Common round with other machine guns

Cons:

History

Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />.

Media

An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;
  • references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the weapon;
  • other literature.


Aircraft machine guns
USA 
7.62 mm  Browning · M134 Minigun
12.7 mm  Browning M2 · Browning M3
Germany 
7.62 mm  MG 3
7.92 mm  MG 15 · MG 17 · MG 81
12.7 mm  FN M3P
13.0 mm  MG 131
USSR 
7.62 mm  DA · PV-1 · ShKAS
12.7 mm  Berezin UB · A-12.7 · YaK-B
Britain 
7.7 mm  Lewis · Vickers E · Vickers K · Browning .303
Japan 
Army 
7.7 mm  Te-1 · Type 89 · Type 89 special
7.92 mm  Type 98
12.7 mm  Ho-103 · Ho-104
Navy 
7.7 mm  Type 92 · Type 97
13.0 mm  Type 2
13.2 mm  Type 3
Italy 
7.7 mm  Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)
7.92 mm  FN Browning
12.7 mm  Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm) · Scotti M1933
France 
7.5 mm  Mle 33 · Darne 1933 · Mle 1923 · FN Browning Mle 38 · MAC 1934
7.62 mm  PKA
Sweden 
8 mm  Ksp m/22
12.7 mm  LKk/42