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{{Specs-Card|code=us_m8_scott}}
 
{{Specs-Card|code=us_m8_scott}}
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{{About
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| about = American tank destroyer '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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|other
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|usage-1 = other uses
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|link-1 = M8 (Disambiguation)
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|usage-2 = other vehicles of the family
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|link-2 = M8 General Scott (Family)
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}}
  
 
== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_M8Scott.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
[[File:GarageImage_M8Scott.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''M8 "Scott"''' is a Rank I American tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.0. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].  
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{specs|pseudonym}}''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''-->
 
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
* Rolled homogeneous armour  
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
 
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
 
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
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'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 10 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 10 mm thick.
 
* Tracks are peppered on the turret sides that give 17 mm extra where they are.
 
* Tracks are peppered on the turret sides that give 17 mm extra where they are.
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=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp=420|rbMinHp=262}}
!colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
 
|-
 
! Weight (tons)
 
!colspan="1" | Add-on Armor<br>weight (tons)
 
!colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
 
|-
 
|rowspan="2" | 15.6 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 69 (AB)
 
|-
 
|64 (RB/SB)
 
|-
 
!colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
 
|-
 
!colspan="1" | Mode
 
!Stock
 
!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
|420
 
|518
 
|-
 
|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
|262
 
|296
 
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!colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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!colspan="1" | Mode
 
!Stock
 
!Upgraded
 
|-
 
|''Arcade''
 
|26.92
 
|33.21
 
|-
 
|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
|16.79
 
|18.97
 
|-
 
|}
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
<!--''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibilty of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''-->
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{{main|Howitzer M2 (75 mm)}}
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{{main|M2 Howitzer (75 mm)}}
  
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="6" | [[Howitzer_M2_(75_mm)|75 mm M2 Howitzer]]
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
 
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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| colspan="4" | 46 || -20°/+40° || ±180°
 
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
 
! style="width:4em" |Stock
 
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
|-
 
| ''Arcade'' || 3.60 || 4.90 || 5.99 || 6.63 || 7.06
 
 
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.60 || 4.20 || 5.10 || 5.64 || 6.00
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! colspan="5" | [[M2 Howitzer (75 mm)|75 mm M2 Howitzer]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
 
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|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! ''Arcade''
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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| rowspan="2" | 46 || rowspan="2" | -20°/+40° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.28 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45 || rowspan="2" | 4.29 || rowspan="2" | 3.80 || rowspan="2" | 3.50 || rowspan="2" | 3.30
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
 
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| 4.29 || 3.80 || 3.50 || 3.30
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! ''Realistic''
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| 3.57 || 4.20 || 5.10 || 5.64 || 6.00
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
===== Ammunition =====
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==== Ammunition ====
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
 
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
 
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|-
 
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
 
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! 10m
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
! 100m
 
! 500m
 
! 1000m
 
! 1500m
 
! 2000m
 
 
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| M48 shell || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10  
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| M48 shell || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
 
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| M66 || HEAT || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89  
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| M66 || HEAT || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89 || 89
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
 
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
 
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! 0%
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
! 50%
 
! 100%
 
 
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| M48 shell || 381 || 6.3 || 0.4 || 0.5 || 666 || +0° || 11° || 10° ||
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| M48 shell || HE || 381 || 6.3 || 0.4 || 0.5 || 666 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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| M66 || 304 || 6.0 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 548.13 || +0° || 28° || 21° || 17°
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| M66 || HEAT || 304 || 6.02 || N/A || 0.1 || 548.1 || 62° || 69° || 73°
 
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|-
 
|}
 
|}
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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! colspan="7" | Smoke shell characteristics
 
|-
 
|-
 
! Ammunition
 
! Ammunition
! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Velocity<br>(m/s)
! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! Screen radius<br>(m)
! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! Screen deploy time<br>(s)
! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! Screen hold time<br>(s)
! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 
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|-
| M64 || 381 || 6.9 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 50  
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| M64 || 381 || 6.9 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 50
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_M8 Scott.png|right|x250px|thumbnail|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the M8 Scott.]]
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! Full<br>ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br /> rack empty
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! 1st<br>rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br /> rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br /> rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br /> rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
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|| '''46''' || 35&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 12&nbsp;''(+34)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+45)'' || style="text-align:left" | No  
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| '''46''' || 35&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 12&nbsp;''(+34)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+45)'' || No
 
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|}
 
|}
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|Browning M2 (12.7 mm)}}
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{{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="7" | [[Browning M2 (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
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! colspan="5" | [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
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! colspan="7" | ''Pintle mount''
 
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! Mount
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! Capacity<br>(Belt capacity)
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! Rate of fire<br>(shots/minute)
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! Vertical<br>guidance
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! Horizontal<br>guidance
 
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| colspan="4" | 400 (200) || 576 || -5°/+70° || ±180°
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| Pintle || 400 (200) || 576 || -5°/+70° || ±180°
 
|-
 
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|}
 
|}
  
== Usage in the battles ==
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== Usage in battles ==
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In general, the M8 Scott plays like a beefed-up M5A1. The massive increase in gun caliber and destructive potential means that enemies the light tank previously have difficulty destroying are now more easily dealt with. Like the M3/M5 Stuart, playing this tank aggressively will almost always guarantee a place on the leaderboard. Push for the cap and then take it without hesitation. Should an enemy get there first, enter the cap and flank the target. Get behind their turret and go for a shot to the turret rear. Once the capture point is held, find a good hull down position and use the 75 mm HEAT to destroy any and all oncoming tanks.
 
In general, the M8 Scott plays like a beefed-up M5A1. The massive increase in gun caliber and destructive potential means that enemies the light tank previously have difficulty destroying are now more easily dealt with. Like the M3/M5 Stuart, playing this tank aggressively will almost always guarantee a place on the leaderboard. Push for the cap and then take it without hesitation. Should an enemy get there first, enter the cap and flank the target. Get behind their turret and go for a shot to the turret rear. Once the capture point is held, find a good hull down position and use the 75 mm HEAT to destroy any and all oncoming tanks.
  
 
Against heavier armour, the need to find a good hidden position is critical. On certain tanks, the addition of track armour can give the M8 difficulty in penetrating them. Hence a good hull down position on their flank can provide a good position to hit their side armour, with almost certain destruction coming from it.
 
Against heavier armour, the need to find a good hidden position is critical. On certain tanks, the addition of track armour can give the M8 difficulty in penetrating them. Hence a good hull down position on their flank can provide a good position to hit their side armour, with almost certain destruction coming from it.
  
Tanks like the [[Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2|Panzer IV F2]] and it's line of tanks can be a serious headache for the vehicle to encounter. Aim for the right side of their turret and knock-out their gunner first, then aim for the middle of their hull (upper or lower glacis works) for a final shot. Outside of that most of the heavy armour will be out of the M8's BR range, leaving most encountered vehicles viable to destroy.
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Tanks like the [[Pz.IV F2|Panzer IV F2]] and it's line of tanks can be a serious headache for the vehicle to encounter. Aim for the right side of their turret and knock-out their gunner first, then aim for the middle of their hull (upper or lower glacis works) for a final shot. Outside of that most of the heavy armour will be out of the M8's BR range, leaving most encountered vehicles viable to destroy.
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=== Modules ===
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Tier
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! colspan="2" | Mobility
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! Protection
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! Firepower
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| I
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| Tracks
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| Parts
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| Horizontal Drive
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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|-
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| III
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| Filters
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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|-
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| IV
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| Transmission
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| Engine
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| M64
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|}
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
<!--''Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Do not use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".''-->
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'''Pros:'''
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* 12.7 mm heavy machine gun is very good at dealing with AA vehicles and soft targets.
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* Great firepower: 75 mm HEAT handles everything with ease, from hull-breaking soft targets like the LVT(A) to one-shotting common foes like the [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] to piercing tough adversaries like the [[B1 bis|B1]] and [[Matilda III|Matilda]]
* 75 mm HEAT round can handle most contemporary adversaries.
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* 12.7 mm heavy machine gun is very lethal at the battle rating as most tanks have thin armour, for example the [[BT-7]], [[Marder III|Marder]]
* Fast reloads for the caliber.
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* Extremely rare gun depression of -20 degrees making it able to peek above almost every slope and launch surprise attacks
* Low muzzle velocity shell's parabolic path can allow for shooting over hills.
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* When hull-down its double layer turret front can bounce some low-caliber or low-penetrating shells like the [[Pz.II (Disambiguation)|Pz.II]]s' 20 mm
* Speed and mobility akin of the [[Light Tank M5A1 Stuart|Stuart]] light tanks.
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* Fast reloads for the caliber allows quick follow up shots
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* Low muzzle velocity shell's parabolic path can allow for shooting over hills which can be surprisingly useful
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* Speed and mobility akin to the [[M5A1|Stuart]] light tanks, allowing it to manoeuvre and flank with ease
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
* Open-top turret exposes crew to artillery and aircraft strafing fire.
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* Thin armour.
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* Extremely slow turret traverse makes close quarter combat super challenging, yet its short gun is also bad for long range engagements- requires the player to be crystal clear of what they are doing, and have great situational awareness to predict the enemies' location in order to make up for the slow turret
* Shells have low muzzle velocity, not good for long-range fighting.
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* Open-top turret exposes crew to artillery and aircraft strafing fire
* Very slow turret traverse rate.
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* Thin armour and tight crew makes it very vulnerable to tank destroyers that have APHE, like the SU-76
* Bad steering at high speeds.
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* Shells have low muzzle velocity and huge drop, hard for shooting long-range or moving targets
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* Bad steering at high speeds
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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===Development===
 
===Development===
In United State's entry into World War II, the troops in the front lines require a support vehicle similar to those in use by the German forces in the form of the [[Sturmgeschtz III Ausf.A|StuG III]]. The project for such vehicle began as a design submitted in late 1941, which was a [[Light Tank M5A1 Stuart|M5 Light Tank]] mated with a howitzer on the hull front, designated the ''T41''. This design didn't pass as the howitzer on the hull sacrificed crew protection. The design was revised on the same M5 light tank and instead had the M5 turret removed and replaced with an open-topped turret similar to the US tank destroyers [[3-inch Gun Motor Carriage M10|M10]] and [[M18 Gun Motor Carriage|M18]], which mounted a 75 mm howitzer. This change caused the hatches for the driver and assistant driver to be placed on the glacis front rather than the hull roof. This design, called the ''T17E1 HMC'' was approved and put into production under the designation ''75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8'', or the [[M8 Scott]]. The 75 mm M2 howitzer was the initial armament of the M8 before switching to the updated 75 mm M3 howitzer later in production. The howitzer was capable of firing smoke M89 or high-explosive M48 rounds, the vehicle could hold 46 of these 75 mm rounds. The M8 does not have any machine guns on the coaxial or hull-mounted area, but a .50 cal Browning was mounted on the rear right corner of the turret for infantry defense. The vehicle was put into production in April 1942 and continued until January 1944, of which a total of 1,778 units were produced by Cadillac only.
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In United State's entry into World War II, the troops in the front lines require a support vehicle similar to those in use by the German forces in the form of the [[StuG III A|StuG III]]. The project for such vehicle began as a design submitted in late 1941, which was a [[M5A1|M5 Light Tank]] mated with a howitzer on the hull front, designated the ''T41''. This design didn't pass as the howitzer on the hull sacrificed crew protection. The design was revised on the same M5 light tank and instead had the M5 turret removed and replaced with an open-topped turret similar to the US tank destroyers [[M10 GMC|M10]] and [[M18 GMC|M18]], which mounted a 75 mm howitzer. This change caused the hatches for the driver and assistant driver to be placed on the glacis front rather than the hull roof. This design, called the ''T17E1 HMC'' was approved and put into production under the designation ''75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8'', or the [[M8 Scott]]. The 75 mm M2 howitzer was the initial armament of the M8 before switching to the updated 75 mm M3 howitzer later in production. The howitzer was capable of firing smoke M89 or high-explosive M48 rounds, the vehicle could hold 46 of these 75 mm rounds. The M8 does not have any machine guns on the coaxial or hull-mounted area, but a .50 cal Browning was mounted on the rear right corner of the turret for infantry defense. The vehicle was put into production in April 1942 and continued until January 1944, of which a total of 1,778 units were produced by Cadillac only.
  
 
===Combat usage===
 
===Combat usage===
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=usa&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=us_m8_scott Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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<div><ul>
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<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:M8 HMC pilot at Aberdeen Proving Ground.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage at Aberdeen Proving Ground.]] </li>
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This page is about the American tank destroyer M8 Scott. For other uses, see M8 (Disambiguation). For other vehicles of the family, see M8 General Scott (Family).

Description

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The 75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8 (shortened to M8 HMC) is a rank I American tank destroyer with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.67 "Assault".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 28.5 mm (48-49°) Front Glacis
38.1 mm (15-30°) Lower glacis
28.5 mm Front
25.4 mm Rear
25.4 mm (1-47°) Top
25.4 mm (1-20°) Bottom
12.7 mm
Turret 38.1 mm (6-40°) Turret front
38.1 mm (1-65°) Gun mantlet
25.4 mm (18-20°) 25.4 mm (1°) N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 10 mm thick.
  • Tracks are peppered on the turret sides that give 17 mm extra where they are.
  • Belly armour is 12.7 mm thick

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 70 19 15.6 420 565 26.92 36.22
Realistic 64 17 262 296 16.79 18.97

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: M2 Howitzer (75 mm)
75 mm M2 Howitzer Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 46 -20°/+40° ±180° N/A 5.28 7.31 8.88 9.82 10.45 4.29 3.80 3.50 3.30
Realistic 3.57 4.20 5.10 5.64 6.00

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M66 HEAT 89 89 89 89 89 89
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M48 shell HE 381 6.3 0.4 0.5 666 79° 80° 81°
M66 HEAT 304 6.02 N/A 0.1 548.1 62° 69° 73°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M64 381 6.9 13 5 20 50

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the M8 Scott
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
46 35 (+11) 23 (+23) 12 (+34) (+45) No

Machine guns

Main article: M2HB (12.7 mm)
12.7 mm M2HB
Mount Capacity
(Belt capacity)
Rate of fire
(shots/minute)
Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Pintle 400 (200) 576 -5°/+70° ±180°

Usage in battles

In general, the M8 Scott plays like a beefed-up M5A1. The massive increase in gun caliber and destructive potential means that enemies the light tank previously have difficulty destroying are now more easily dealt with. Like the M3/M5 Stuart, playing this tank aggressively will almost always guarantee a place on the leaderboard. Push for the cap and then take it without hesitation. Should an enemy get there first, enter the cap and flank the target. Get behind their turret and go for a shot to the turret rear. Once the capture point is held, find a good hull down position and use the 75 mm HEAT to destroy any and all oncoming tanks.

Against heavier armour, the need to find a good hidden position is critical. On certain tanks, the addition of track armour can give the M8 difficulty in penetrating them. Hence a good hull down position on their flank can provide a good position to hit their side armour, with almost certain destruction coming from it.

Tanks like the Panzer IV F2 and it's line of tanks can be a serious headache for the vehicle to encounter. Aim for the right side of their turret and knock-out their gunner first, then aim for the middle of their hull (upper or lower glacis works) for a final shot. Outside of that most of the heavy armour will be out of the M8's BR range, leaving most encountered vehicles viable to destroy.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine M64

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Great firepower: 75 mm HEAT handles everything with ease, from hull-breaking soft targets like the LVT(A) to one-shotting common foes like the Chi-Ha to piercing tough adversaries like the B1 and Matilda
  • 12.7 mm heavy machine gun is very lethal at the battle rating as most tanks have thin armour, for example the BT-7Marder
  • Extremely rare gun depression of -20 degrees making it able to peek above almost every slope and launch surprise attacks
  • When hull-down its double layer turret front can bounce some low-caliber or low-penetrating shells like the Pz.IIs' 20 mm
  • Fast reloads for the caliber allows quick follow up shots
  • Low muzzle velocity shell's parabolic path can allow for shooting over hills which can be surprisingly useful
  • Speed and mobility akin to the Stuart light tanks, allowing it to manoeuvre and flank with ease

Cons:

  • Extremely slow turret traverse makes close quarter combat super challenging, yet its short gun is also bad for long range engagements- requires the player to be crystal clear of what they are doing, and have great situational awareness to predict the enemies' location in order to make up for the slow turret
  • Open-top turret exposes crew to artillery and aircraft strafing fire
  • Thin armour and tight crew makes it very vulnerable to tank destroyers that have APHE, like the SU-76
  • Shells have low muzzle velocity and huge drop, hard for shooting long-range or moving targets
  • Bad steering at high speeds

History

Development

In United State's entry into World War II, the troops in the front lines require a support vehicle similar to those in use by the German forces in the form of the StuG III. The project for such vehicle began as a design submitted in late 1941, which was a M5 Light Tank mated with a howitzer on the hull front, designated the T41. This design didn't pass as the howitzer on the hull sacrificed crew protection. The design was revised on the same M5 light tank and instead had the M5 turret removed and replaced with an open-topped turret similar to the US tank destroyers M10 and M18, which mounted a 75 mm howitzer. This change caused the hatches for the driver and assistant driver to be placed on the glacis front rather than the hull roof. This design, called the T17E1 HMC was approved and put into production under the designation 75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8, or the M8 Scott. The 75 mm M2 howitzer was the initial armament of the M8 before switching to the updated 75 mm M3 howitzer later in production. The howitzer was capable of firing smoke M89 or high-explosive M48 rounds, the vehicle could hold 46 of these 75 mm rounds. The M8 does not have any machine guns on the coaxial or hull-mounted area, but a .50 cal Browning was mounted on the rear right corner of the turret for infantry defense. The vehicle was put into production in April 1942 and continued until January 1944, of which a total of 1,778 units were produced by Cadillac only.

Combat usage

These vehicles would go on to serve in the Italian Campaign, European Campaign, and in the Pacific in the hands of the US Army. The M8 saw use in American service until the M7 Priest 105 mm self-propelled gun could be fielded in large numbers, which stopped the M8 production and service in American units. After being phased out of American service, the M8 was then given to the Free French forces that use them in the Western Front of the European operations. The French continue to use them all the way to 1954 in the French-Indochina conflict in use by South-Vietnamese forces. Other users of the M8 included the Khmers national army, Laos, China, and the Philippines.

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  • An M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage at Aberdeen Proving Ground.
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M10  M10 GMC
M36  M36 GMC · M36B2
T95  T28 · T95
M109  M109A1
ATGM  LOSAT · M901 · ADATS
Wheeled  M3 GMC · T55E1
Other  M8 HMC · M50 · M56
China  ▃LVT(A)(4) (ZIS-2)