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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''M8C''' (erroneously referred to as '''M80''' in game) is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle, fitted to the predominantly to [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]], and some recoilless rifles of other nations. In game the weapon is fitted to American and Italian recoilless rifles, while the Japanese [[Type 60 SPRG (C)]] uses the [[Type 60 (B) (12.7 mm)]] spotting rifle. Being only designed as a spotting rifle the weapon has low rate of fire, very low penetration, low velocity and a small magazine capacity.
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The '''M8C''' (erroneously referred to as '''M80''' in game) is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle, fitted to the predominantly to [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]], and some recoilless rifles of other nations. In game the weapon is fitted to American and Italian recoilless rifles, while the Japanese [[Type 60 SPRG (C)]] uses the [[Type 60 (B) (12.7 mm)]] spotting rifle. Being only designed as a spotting rifle the weapon has low rate of fire, very low penetration, low velocity and a small magazine capacity.
  
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 
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* [[M50 Ontos]]
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* {{Specs-Link|us_m50_ontos}}
* [[T114]]
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* {{Specs-Link|us_t114}}
 
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* {{Specs-Link|it_fiat_6614_106sr}}
* [[FIAT 6614]]
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* {{Specs-Link|it_oto_r3_106sr}}
* [[R3 T106 FA]]
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Available shells ===
 
=== Available shells ===
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The M8C only has access to one ammo belt consisting entirely of M48A2 Spotter-Tracer (S) bullets. As these bullets are designed to be visible on impact, for use in ranging the main gun, rather than to penetrate armour they have extremely poor ballistic performance, with a maximum penetration of 2 mm.
 
The M8C only has access to one ammo belt consisting entirely of M48A2 Spotter-Tracer (S) bullets. As these bullets are designed to be visible on impact, for use in ranging the main gun, rather than to penetrate armour they have extremely poor ballistic performance, with a maximum penetration of 2 mm.
  
'''Note:''' On the in game interface penetration is erroneously listed as 3 mm at all ranges and angles.  
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'''Note:''' On the in game interface, penetration is erroneously listed as 3 mm at all ranges and angles.
  
 
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=== Comparison with analogues ===
 
=== Comparison with analogues ===
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Unlike most other tank-mounted machine guns, which are designed primary for anti-infantry, anti-aircraft, or general purpose use; the M8C is specifically designed as a "spotting rifle". The bullets follow the same trajectory as the rounds from the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]] the weapon is affixed to. The rounds are designed to be visible during flight and upon impact, instead of penetrating armour, and so the the rounds have much worse ballistic performance than other .50 cal rounds. Even compared to another ranging weapon, the [[L21A1 (12.7 mm)]], the ballistic performance is extremely poor, with the M8C having a maximum penetration of 2 mm (compared to 7 mm) and a lower muzzle velocity of 532 m/s (compared to 793 m/s). The M8C does however get a larger magazine than the [[L21A1 (12.7 mm)|L21A1]], at 5 rounds.
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Unlike most other tank-mounted machine guns, which are designed primary for anti-infantry, anti-aircraft, or general purpose use; the M8C is specifically designed as a "spotting rifle". The bullets follow the same trajectory as the rounds from the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]] the weapon is affixed to. The rounds are designed to be visible during flight and upon impact, instead of penetrating armour, and so the the rounds have much worse ballistic performance than other .50 cal rounds. Even compared to another ranging weapon, the [[L21A1 (12.7 mm)]], the ballistic performance is extremely poor, with the M8C having a maximum penetration of 2 mm (compared to 7 mm) and a lower muzzle velocity of 532 m/s (compared to 793 m/s). The M8C does however get a larger magazine than the [[L21A1 (12.7 mm)|L21A1]], at 5 rounds.
  
== Usage in the battles ==
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== Usage in battles ==
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The M8C should be used only for ranging the recoilless rifle it is fixed to. The rounds from the M8C follow about the same trajectory as the rounds from the recoilless rifle, so the M8C can be used to correctly aim the main gun before firing. The extremely poor penetration means that it cannot penetrate any armour, although you may be able to knock out exposed crew members (which are fairly rare at the BRs this weapon is found at).
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The M8C should be used only for ranging the recoilless rifle it is fixed to. The rounds from the M8C follow about the same trajectory as the rounds from the recoilless rifle, so the M8C can be used to correctly aim the main gun before firing. The extremely poor penetration means that it cannot penetrate any armour, although you may be able to knock out exposed crew members (which are fairly rare at the BRs this weapon is found at).
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
 
 
* Can be used to help aim the main weapon of tanks it is fitted to.
 
* Can be used to help aim the main weapon of tanks it is fitted to.
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
 
 
* Extremely bad penetration makes the weapon near useless for engaging enemy tanks
 
* Extremely bad penetration makes the weapon near useless for engaging enemy tanks
 
* Very low rate of fire
 
* Very low rate of fire
 
* Bad performance even compared to other ranging guns ([[L21A1 (12.7 mm)|L21A1]])
 
* Bad performance even compared to other ranging guns ([[L21A1 (12.7 mm)|L21A1]])
  
== Historical part ==
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== History ==
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{{Main|M40A1C (106 mm)}}
 
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The M8C is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle designed for use with the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]]. The US army's previous recoilless rifle, the M27 recoilless rifle, lacked a spotting rifle which significantly limited the range at which the weapon could be accurately used. While the M40 was being designed, Remington were tasked with producing a spotting rifle which would be fitted on top of the M40's barrel in order to allow it to be aimed accurately at range.
The M8C is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle designed for use with the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40 recoilless rifle]]. The US army's previous recoilless rifle, the M27 recoilless rifle, lacked a spotting rifle which significantly limited the range at which the weapon could be accurately used. While the M40 was being designed, Remington were tasked with producing a spotting rifle which would be fitted on top of the M40's barrel in order to allow it to be aimed accurately at range.
 
  
 
The Resulting weapon was the Remington M8C. It chambered the 12.7x77 mm .50 BAT round (instead of the much more common 12.7×99 mm .50 BMG round). The weapon was a gas-operated semi-automatic rifle (as opposed to a machine gun), with ammo being fed in from a 10 or 20 round magazine mounted on the left hand side of the gun, and ejected to the right. The bullets it fired were designed to explode on impact and produce a puff of white smoke, in order to allow their impact point to be clearly seen.
 
The Resulting weapon was the Remington M8C. It chambered the 12.7x77 mm .50 BAT round (instead of the much more common 12.7×99 mm .50 BMG round). The weapon was a gas-operated semi-automatic rifle (as opposed to a machine gun), with ammo being fed in from a 10 or 20 round magazine mounted on the left hand side of the gun, and ejected to the right. The bullets it fired were designed to explode on impact and produce a puff of white smoke, in order to allow their impact point to be clearly seen.
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=== Historical Inaccuracies in game ===
 
=== Historical Inaccuracies in game ===
The M8C has various historical inaccuracies in it's current in game implementation. Firstly in game the weapon is incorrectly referred to as the "M80". The weapon in game is also fully-automatic (firing repeatedly as long as the trigger is held); in reality the M8C was a semi-automatic weapon, firing only once each time the trigger is pulled. Finally in game the weapon has only a 5 round magazine, while in reality the weapon was fitted with either a 10 or 20 round magazine.  
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The M8C has various historical inaccuracies in it's current in game implementation. Firstly in game the weapon is incorrectly referred to as the "M80". The weapon in game is also fully-automatic (firing repeatedly as long as the trigger is held); in reality the M8C was a semi-automatic weapon, firing only once each time the trigger is pulled. Finally in game the weapon has only a 5 round magazine, while in reality the weapon was fitted with either a 10 or 20 round magazine.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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* [[M40A1C (106 mm)]] (the weapon this gun is usually fitted to)
 
* [[M40A1C (106 mm)]] (the weapon this gun is usually fitted to)
 
* [[Cannone da 106 s.r.M40A1 (106 mm)]] (the Italian version of the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40A1C]])
 
* [[Cannone da 106 s.r.M40A1 (106 mm)]] (the Italian version of the [[M40A1C (106 mm)|M40A1C]])
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== External links ==
 
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* [[wikipedia:Spotting_rifle|Wikipedia - Spotting Rifle]]
 
* [[wikipedia:Spotting_rifle|Wikipedia - Spotting Rifle]]
 
* [[wikipedia:M40_recoilless_rifle|Wikipedia - M40 recoilless rifle]]
 
* [[wikipedia:M40_recoilless_rifle|Wikipedia - M40 recoilless rifle]]

Revision as of 18:57, 18 March 2019

M80 (12.7 mm)
Weapon M8C 12.7mm.jpg
General characteristics
12.7 mmCalibre
5 roundsBelt capacity
300 shots/minRate of fire
532 m/sMuzzle velocity
2 mm Maximum penetration

Description

The M8C (erroneously referred to as M80 in game) is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle, fitted to the predominantly to M40 recoilless rifle, and some recoilless rifles of other nations. In game the weapon is fitted to American and Italian recoilless rifles, while the Japanese Type 60 SPRG (C) uses the Type 60 (B) (12.7 mm) spotting rifle. Being only designed as a spotting rifle the weapon has low rate of fire, very low penetration, low velocity and a small magazine capacity.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.

Available shells

The M8C only has access to one ammo belt consisting entirely of M48A2 Spotter-Tracer (S) bullets. As these bullets are designed to be visible on impact, for use in ranging the main gun, rather than to penetrate armour they have extremely poor ballistic performance, with a maximum penetration of 2 mm.

Note: On the in game interface, penetration is erroneously listed as 3 mm at all ranges and angles.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration in mm @ 90°
10m 100m 500m 1,000m 1,450m 1,500m
S 2 2 1.5 1 0.5 0
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s
Projectile
Mass in kg
Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
Normalization At 30°
from horizontal:
Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
S 532 0.0113 N/A N/A N/A  ??°  ??°  ??°  ??°

Comparison with analogues

Unlike most other tank-mounted machine guns, which are designed primary for anti-infantry, anti-aircraft, or general purpose use; the M8C is specifically designed as a "spotting rifle". The bullets follow the same trajectory as the rounds from the M40 recoilless rifle the weapon is affixed to. The rounds are designed to be visible during flight and upon impact, instead of penetrating armour, and so the the rounds have much worse ballistic performance than other .50 cal rounds. Even compared to another ranging weapon, the L21A1 (12.7 mm), the ballistic performance is extremely poor, with the M8C having a maximum penetration of 2 mm (compared to 7 mm) and a lower muzzle velocity of 532 m/s (compared to 793 m/s). The M8C does however get a larger magazine than the L21A1, at 5 rounds.

Usage in battles

The M8C should be used only for ranging the recoilless rifle it is fixed to. The rounds from the M8C follow about the same trajectory as the rounds from the recoilless rifle, so the M8C can be used to correctly aim the main gun before firing. The extremely poor penetration means that it cannot penetrate any armour, although you may be able to knock out exposed crew members (which are fairly rare at the BRs this weapon is found at).

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Can be used to help aim the main weapon of tanks it is fitted to.

Cons:

  • Extremely bad penetration makes the weapon near useless for engaging enemy tanks
  • Very low rate of fire
  • Bad performance even compared to other ranging guns (L21A1)

History

Main article: M40A1C (106 mm)

The M8C is an American 12.7mm spotting rifle designed for use with the M40 recoilless rifle. The US army's previous recoilless rifle, the M27 recoilless rifle, lacked a spotting rifle which significantly limited the range at which the weapon could be accurately used. While the M40 was being designed, Remington were tasked with producing a spotting rifle which would be fitted on top of the M40's barrel in order to allow it to be aimed accurately at range.

The Resulting weapon was the Remington M8C. It chambered the 12.7x77 mm .50 BAT round (instead of the much more common 12.7×99 mm .50 BMG round). The weapon was a gas-operated semi-automatic rifle (as opposed to a machine gun), with ammo being fed in from a 10 or 20 round magazine mounted on the left hand side of the gun, and ejected to the right. The bullets it fired were designed to explode on impact and produce a puff of white smoke, in order to allow their impact point to be clearly seen.

The M8C was fitted to the M40 106 mm recoilless rifle, as well as other recoilless rifles such as the British 120mm WOMBAT.

Historical Inaccuracies in game

The M8C has various historical inaccuracies in it's current in game implementation. Firstly in game the weapon is incorrectly referred to as the "M80". The weapon in game is also fully-automatic (firing repeatedly as long as the trigger is held); in reality the M8C was a semi-automatic weapon, firing only once each time the trigger is pulled. Finally in game the weapon has only a 5 round magazine, while in reality the weapon was fitted with either a 10 or 20 round magazine.

Media

An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

External links


Tank machine guns
USA  7.62 mm: M1919A4 · M37 · M60D · M73 · M240
  12.7 mm: M2HB · M85 · M8C
Germany  7.62 mm: MG 3A1 · FN MAG 60-40
  7.92 mm: MG 13 Dreyse · MG 34 · MG 42 · MG 37(t)
USSR  7.62 mm: DT · Maxim · SGMT · PKT · RP-46
  12.7 mm: DK · DShK · NSVT
  14.5 mm: KPVT
Britain  7.62 mm: L3A1 · L8A1 · L8A2 · L37A1 · L37A2 · L94A1
  7.7 mm: Vickers
  7.92 mm: BESA
  12.7 mm: L21A1
Japan  6.5 mm: Type 91
  7.62 mm: Type 74
  7.7 mm: Type 97
  12.7 mm: Type 60 (B)
Italy  7.62 mm Beretta MG 42/59
  8 mm: Breda Mod. 38
France  7.5 mm: MAC 31 · AAT-52
  7.62 mm: AAN-F1