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{{About
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|link=Ho-Ri Production
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium Rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.71 "New E.R.A."]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpfull for survival in combat?''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''-->
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Cast homogeneous armour
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 75 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 75 mm (8°), 50 mm (67°) ''Lower glacis'' || 55-65 mm (16-17°) ''Top'' <br> 55 mm ''Bottom'' || 35 mm (5°) ''Top'' <br> 35 mm (10-40°) ''Bottom'' || 20 mm
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|-
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| Casemate || 120-150 mm (5-20°) ''Turret front'' <br> 250 mm ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 50-200 mm (2-65°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 55-65 mm (17°) || 35 mm (5°) || 20-50 mm
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|-
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels and bogies are 15 mm thick while the tracks are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 20 mm thick.
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* Two 5 mm structural steel plates separate the engine compartment from the crew compartments.
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* Small parts of the suspension on the hull sides give 10 mm thick protection at their area.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and maneuverability as well as the maximum speed forward and backward.''
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 781|rbMinHp= 486}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibilty of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
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''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
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{{main|Experimental High Velocity (105 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | [[Experimental High Velocity (105 mm)|105 mm Experimental High Velocity]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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|-
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 51 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±10° || rowspan="2" | N/A || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
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|-
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! ''Realistic''
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| __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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|}
  
=== Additional armament ===
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==== Ammunition ====
''Some tanks are armed with several guns in one or more turrets. Evaluate the additional weaponry and give advice on its use. Describe the ammunition available for additional weaponry. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage. If there is no additional weaponry remove this subsection.''
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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|-
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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|-
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| Type 2 APHE || APHE || 205 || 201 || 181 || 159 || 140 || 123
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|-
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| Experimental HE || HE || 30 || 30 || 30 || 30 || 30 || 30
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="10" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
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|-
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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|-
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| Type 2 APHE || APHE || 916 || 16.0 || 1.2 || 19 || 200 || 47° || 60° || 65°
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|-
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| Experimental HE || HE || 920 || 16.0 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 2,520 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|-
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|}
  
=== Machine guns ===
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft, but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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'''Last updated: 1.101.0.53'''
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! Full<br>ammo
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
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|-
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| '''51''' || 46&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 40&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 30&nbsp;''(+21)'' || 12&nbsp;''(+39)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+50)'' || No
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|-
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|}
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Notes:
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* Shells are modeled individually and disappear from the rack after having been shot or loaded.
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* To go into battle with the flanks empty of ammo, pack 40 (+11) shells or fewer.
  
== Usage in the battles ==
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== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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The Ho-Ri can be used in multiple roles. Its most effective at medium range, where it's harder for the enemy to aim for the lower plate and shells have a harder time penetrating the mantlet, making it easy for you to destroy them. Another option, although risky is to sit on a road that players like to go down and use your armor to bounce and take shot and return fire on enemy tanks.
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'''Enemies worth noting''':
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* [[IS-2]] / [[IS-2 (1944)]] / [[ISU-122]]: These machines carry a huge 122 mm cannon that penetrates literally anything they see, including the Ho-Ri. Their shells will go through Ho-Ri's vertical armor of the fighting compartment pretty easily, killing the crew inside or detonating the ammo. To deal with the IS-2, try get a shot at them before the notice you / when they are reloading. These tanks tend to get one-shot due to their lack of crew or the cramped interior. For IS-2 mod.1943, aim for the hull armor that curves and blends into the side, or aim at the turret cheeks. For mod.1944, only go for the turret as the hull is very thick and well sloped. For the ISU-122, aim at anywhere but the gun mantlet, as it often absorb shells or cause ricochet.
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=== Modules ===
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Tier
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! colspan="2" | Mobility
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! Protection
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! Firepower
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|-
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| I
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| Tracks
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|
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| Parts
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| Horizontal Drive
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|-
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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|-
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| III
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| Filters
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|
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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|-
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| IV
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| Transmission
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| Engine
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|
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|
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|-
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! colspan="5" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
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|-
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|}
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Do not use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".''
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'''Pros:'''
  
'''Pros:'''
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* Good sloping armour on the front
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* High velocity high penetrating gun with APHE filler
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* Rather good gun depression
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* Not slow considering its armour and weight
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* Spaced out crew
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* Central engine could absorb penetrating front shots
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
*
 
  
== Historical part ==
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* Armour is not 100% reliable. Fighting compartment can get penetrated by the [[IS-2 (Family)|IS-2]] easily
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* It is barely ever going to reach its top speed (40 km/h or 25 mph)
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* Side armour is quite bad
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* Depressing the gun all the way will open roof for the breech, possibly exposing crew to strafing fire.
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== History ==
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After the IJA compared Russian and German tanks during 1943 and the shock of encountering the US [[M4|M4 Sherman]], they decided to design tanks with more powerful guns to destroy tanks rather than for supporting infantry. Like other Japanese self-propelled guns, Ho-Ri was not equipped any weapon to anti-infantry. The design of Ho-Ri was based on the hull of the Chi-Ri, and with a powerful 105mm gun mounted in the casemate.
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A prototype was completed by August 1944 and five more models were to be completed in 1945, but production was halted due to the industrial damages and resource shortage from the war effort.<ref name="Sun Ho-Ri">Sun, Eun Ae. ''The Ho-Ri Tank Destroyer'' SENSHA. Blogger.com, 03 Sep. 2017. Web. 28 Aug. 2020. [https://web.archive.org/web/20180208195232/http://sensha-manual.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-ho-ri-tank-destroyer.html Website (Archived)]</ref>
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=jp_type_5_ho_ri_prototype Skins and Camouflages for the Ho-Ri Prototype in live.warthunder.com]
  
== Read also ==
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;Videos
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
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{{Youtube-gallery|ty1HJQ71nzI|'''Premium Vehicles: Type 5 Ho-Ri''' - ''War Thunder Wiki''}}
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== See also ==
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
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* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''-->
''ETC.''
 
  
== Sources ==
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* [[Ho-Ri Production]]
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== External links ==
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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* ''other literature.''
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* ''other literature.''-->
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4945-development-type-5-ho-ri-mother-of-dragons-en [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> Type 5 Ho-Ri: Mother of Dragons]
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* [[Wikipedia:Type_5_Chi-Ri_medium_tank#Variants|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Type 5 Chi-Ri medium tank]]
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{{Japan premium ground vehicles}}

Revision as of 08:59, 10 September 2020

Rank VI USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Su-25K Pack
Ho-Ri Prototype
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Ho-Ri Prototype
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This page is about the premium tank destroyer Ho-Ri Prototype. For the regular version, see Ho-Ri Production.

Description

GarageImage Ho-Ri Prototype.jpg


The Type 5 Ho-Ri Prototype is a premium Rank IV Japanese tank destroyer with a battle rating of 6.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.71 "New E.R.A.".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Cast homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 75 mm (70°) Front glacis
75 mm (8°), 50 mm (67°) Lower glacis
55-65 mm (16-17°) Top
55 mm Bottom
35 mm (5°) Top
35 mm (10-40°) Bottom
20 mm
Casemate 120-150 mm (5-20°) Turret front
250 mm Gun mantlet
50-200 mm (2-65°) Barrel shroud
55-65 mm (17°) 35 mm (5°) 20-50 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and bogies are 15 mm thick while the tracks are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 20 mm thick.
  • Two 5 mm structural steel plates separate the engine compartment from the crew compartments.
  • Small parts of the suspension on the hull sides give 10 mm thick protection at their area.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 44 9 51 781 1,049 15.31 20.57
Realistic 41 8 486 550 9.53 10.78

Armaments

Main armament

Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: {{main|Name of the weapon}}. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.

105 mm Experimental High Velocity Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 51 -10°/+20° ±10° N/A __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ _.__ _.__ _.__ _.__
Realistic __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type 2 APHE APHE 205 201 181 159 140 123
Experimental HE HE 30 30 30 30 30 30
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type 2 APHE APHE 916 16.0 1.2 19 200 47° 60° 65°
Experimental HE HE 920 16.0 0.1 0.1 2,520 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Ho-Ri Prototype

Last updated: 1.101.0.53

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
51 46 (+4) 40 (+11) 30 (+21) 12 (+39) (+50) No

Notes:

  • Shells are modeled individually and disappear from the rack after having been shot or loaded.
  • To go into battle with the flanks empty of ammo, pack 40 (+11) shells or fewer.

Usage in battles

The Ho-Ri can be used in multiple roles. Its most effective at medium range, where it's harder for the enemy to aim for the lower plate and shells have a harder time penetrating the mantlet, making it easy for you to destroy them. Another option, although risky is to sit on a road that players like to go down and use your armor to bounce and take shot and return fire on enemy tanks.

Enemies worth noting:

  • IS-2 / IS-2 (1944) / ISU-122: These machines carry a huge 122 mm cannon that penetrates literally anything they see, including the Ho-Ri. Their shells will go through Ho-Ri's vertical armor of the fighting compartment pretty easily, killing the crew inside or detonating the ammo. To deal with the IS-2, try get a shot at them before the notice you / when they are reloading. These tanks tend to get one-shot due to their lack of crew or the cramped interior. For IS-2 mod.1943, aim for the hull armor that curves and blends into the side, or aim at the turret cheeks. For mod.1944, only go for the turret as the hull is very thick and well sloped. For the ISU-122, aim at anywhere but the gun mantlet, as it often absorb shells or cause ricochet.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good sloping armour on the front
  • High velocity high penetrating gun with APHE filler
  • Rather good gun depression
  • Not slow considering its armour and weight
  • Spaced out crew
  • Central engine could absorb penetrating front shots

Cons:

  • Armour is not 100% reliable. Fighting compartment can get penetrated by the IS-2 easily
  • It is barely ever going to reach its top speed (40 km/h or 25 mph)
  • Side armour is quite bad
  • Depressing the gun all the way will open roof for the breech, possibly exposing crew to strafing fire.

History

After the IJA compared Russian and German tanks during 1943 and the shock of encountering the US M4 Sherman, they decided to design tanks with more powerful guns to destroy tanks rather than for supporting infantry. Like other Japanese self-propelled guns, Ho-Ri was not equipped any weapon to anti-infantry. The design of Ho-Ri was based on the hull of the Chi-Ri, and with a powerful 105mm gun mounted in the casemate.

A prototype was completed by August 1944 and five more models were to be completed in 1945, but production was halted due to the industrial damages and resource shortage from the war effort.[1]

Media

Skins
Videos

See also

External links


Japan tank destroyers
Ro-Go Derivatives  Ro-Go Exp.
Chi-Ha Derivatives  Ho-Ni I · Ho-Ni III · Ho-Ro · Chi-Ha LG
Ho-Ri  Ho-Ri Prototype · Ho-Ri Production
Other  Na-To
JGSDF 
SPRG  Type 60 (C)
SPH  Type 75 · Type 99
ATGM  Type 60 ATM
Rocket  Type 75 MLRS
USA  ▅M36

Japan premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  Ha-Go Commander · Type 16 (FPS)
Medium tanks  Chi-Ha Short Gun · Chi-He (5th Regiment) · Ka-Chi · Chi-Nu II · Type 74 (G) · Type 90B "Fuji"
Heavy tanks  Ro-Go · ▅Heavy Tank No.6
Tank destroyers  Ho-Ri Prototype · Type 75 MLRS

  1. Sun, Eun Ae. The Ho-Ri Tank Destroyer SENSHA. Blogger.com, 03 Sep. 2017. Web. 28 Aug. 2020. Website (Archived)