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{{About
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|usage=the preceding vehicle of similar name
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|link=Ho-Ni I
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]. It handles and plays very similarly to the Ho-Ni I before it, but has been refined with the addition of more crew, a faster reload time, and most importantly, armour around the gun crew. However, it pays a slight cost of reduced top speed. 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpfull for survival in combat?''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
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Having 25 mm of armour coverage around the entire gun crew, the {{PAGENAME}} no longer needs to fear artillery shrapnel or strafing runs from fighter aircraft. Do note however that it's still vulnerable to bombs, rockets and direct artillery hits! However, if the {{PAGENAME}} takes a hit, likely to survive with more operational crewmembers, as three of them must be knocked out before the vehicle becomes inoperable.
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Another small armour increase is seen on the front of the tank, with the driver and radio station protected with another 10 mm of armour, though with this added strength, it still leaves an undesirable total width of a lacking 35 mm.  
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 25 mm (12-31°) ''Front plate'' <br> 17 mm (80-81°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 15 mm (63°) ''Joint plate'' <br> 15 mm (37-59°) ''Lower glacis'' || 25 mm (40°) ''Top Left'' <br> 20 mm (24-27°) ''Top Right'' <br> 20 mm ''Bottom'' || 17 mm (69°) ''Top'' <br> 20 mm (4-58°) ''Bottom'' || 12 mm
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|-
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| Superstructure || 25 mm (15-16°) ''Front'' <br> 25 mm (3-47°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 25 mm (24-26°) || 25 mm (10-11°) || 10 mm
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|-
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
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* Driver's port on the front plate is 10 mm thick.
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* An extra 10 mm of armour is plated on top of the bow machine gun area, left from the driver's position.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 241|rbMinHp= 150}}
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The only drawback of the {{PAGENAME}} compared to its previous version, is that the tank has a slight decrease in top speed. On flat grass, it reaches a top speed of 32 km/h, compared to the Ho-Ni I's top speed of 36 km/h.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibilty of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
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{{main|Type 3 (75 mm)}}
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The {{PAGENAME}} features a modernized Type 3 75 mm tank gun, based on the [[Type 90 (75 mm)|Type 90 75 mm]] field gun as on the previous Ho-Ni I, still being a great cannon, even with a slightly higher battle rating. With the addition of two dedicated loaders in a fully closed casemate, the gun also gets almost a second cut down on its reload time, making it capable of even more destruction.
  
=== Additional armament ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
''Some tanks are armed with several guns in one or more turrets. Evaluate the additional weaponry and give advice on its use. Describe the ammunition available for additional weaponry. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage. If there is no additional weaponry remove this subsection.''
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|-
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! colspan="5" | [[Type 3 (75 mm)|75 mm Type 3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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|-
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 46 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±10° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 14.09 || 19.50 || 23.68 || 26.20 || 27.86 || rowspan="2" | 7.15 || rowspan="2" | 6.33 || rowspan="2" | 5.80 || rowspan="2" | 5.50
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|-
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! ''Realistic''
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| 9.52 || 11.20 || 13.60 || 15.04 || 16.00
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|-
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|}
  
=== Machine guns ===
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==== Ammunition ====
''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft, but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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|-
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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|-
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| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 103 || 101 || 92 || 82 || 73 || 65
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|-
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| Type 94 HE || HE || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="10" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
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|-
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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|-
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| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 668 || 6.56 || 1.3 || 15 || 84.8 || 47° || 60° || 65°
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|-
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| Type 94 HE || HE || 522 || 6.02 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 810 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="7" | Smoke shell characteristics
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|-
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! Screen radius<br>(m)
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! Screen deploy time<br>(s)
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! Screen hold time<br>(s)
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! Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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|-
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| Type 90 Smoke || 570 || 5.72 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 100
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|-
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|}
  
== Usage in the battles ==
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! Full<br>ammo
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
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|-
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| '''46''' || 45&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 41&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 24&nbsp;''(+22)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+45)'' || No
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|-
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|}
  
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Turret empty: 37&nbsp;(+9)
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== Usage in battles ==
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The {{PAGENAME}} plays very similar to the [[Ho-Ni I]] with the added benefit of two extra crew which cuts down on the reload time for the 75 mm gun.
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The starting Japanese player will also be quite accustomed to the handling of the hull, as it still is based on the [[Chi-Ha]]. But due to the added weight of the fully enclosed casemate, it is slower compared to its brother [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]].
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With the added benefit of the casemate and crew, the {{PAGENAME}} sports better survivability, though, most shells will not knock you out in one shot due to having a total of five crew members. The crew isn't out in the open anymore and has sufficient armour from machine-gun fire from both ground & air enemies. Knowing this, you can stand to take more chances of sitting in one location and not have to worry about aircraft making a single pass and taking the vehicle out.
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===Modules===
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{| class="wikitable"
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!Tier
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! colspan="2" |Mobility
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!Protection
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!Firepower
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|-
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|I
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|Tracks||
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|Parts
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|Horizontal Drive
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|-
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|II
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|Suspension||Brake System
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|FPE
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|Adjustment of Fire
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|-
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|III
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|Filters||
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|Crew Replenishment
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|Elevation Mechanism
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|-
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|IV
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|Transmission||Engine
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|
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|Type 90 Smoke
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|-
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|}
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Do not use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".''
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Effective 75 mm gun with APHE can penetrate all enemies at its rank
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* Effective -10° gun depression
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* Fully enclosed crew compartment provides better protection from strafing aircraft
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* Five man crew, three can be knocked out and the tank will still operate
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* Good gun traverse speed
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* Mobility is decent due to being built on a [[Chi-Ha]] chassis
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* Can utilise smoke shells
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Thin armour; close-quarters fighting is not advised
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* Four men are densely packed in the casemate
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* No coaxial machine gun to use against aircraft or GAZ trucks
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* Top speed is less compared to the [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] due to the added weight of the casemate
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/historical reference" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/Name-vehicles/historical reference) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to include links to sources at the end of the article.''
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=jp_type_3_ho_ni_III Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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== See also ==
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== Read also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
 
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
''ETC.''
 
  
== Sources ==
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== External links ==
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4361-development-type-3-ho-ni-iii-the-japanese-marder-en/ [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> Type 3 Ho-Ni III: The Japanese Marder]
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* [[Wikipedia:Type_3_Ho-Ni_III|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Type 3 Ho-Ni III]]
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{{Japan tank destroyers}}

Revision as of 17:42, 17 October 2020

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Ho-Ni III
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This page is about the tank destroyer Ho-Ni III. For the preceding vehicle of similar name, see Ho-Ni I.

Description

GarageImage Ho-Ni III.jpg


The Type 3 Ho-Ni III is a Rank II Japanese tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai". It handles and plays very similarly to the Ho-Ni I before it, but has been refined with the addition of more crew, a faster reload time, and most importantly, armour around the gun crew. However, it pays a slight cost of reduced top speed.

General info

Survivability and armour

Having 25 mm of armour coverage around the entire gun crew, the Ho-Ni III no longer needs to fear artillery shrapnel or strafing runs from fighter aircraft. Do note however that it's still vulnerable to bombs, rockets and direct artillery hits! However, if the Ho-Ni III takes a hit, likely to survive with more operational crewmembers, as three of them must be knocked out before the vehicle becomes inoperable.

Another small armour increase is seen on the front of the tank, with the driver and radio station protected with another 10 mm of armour, though with this added strength, it still leaves an undesirable total width of a lacking 35 mm.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (12-31°) Front plate
17 mm (80-81°) Front glacis
15 mm (63°) Joint plate
15 mm (37-59°) Lower glacis
25 mm (40°) Top Left
20 mm (24-27°) Top Right
20 mm Bottom
17 mm (69°) Top
20 mm (4-58°) Bottom
12 mm
Superstructure 25 mm (15-16°) Front
25 mm (3-47°) Gun mantlet
25 mm (24-26°) 25 mm (10-11°) 10 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
  • Driver's port on the front plate is 10 mm thick.
  • An extra 10 mm of armour is plated on top of the bow machine gun area, left from the driver's position.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 44 7 16.8 241 324 14.35 19.29
Realistic 40 6 150 170 8.93 10.12

The only drawback of the Ho-Ni III compared to its previous version, is that the tank has a slight decrease in top speed. On flat grass, it reaches a top speed of 32 km/h, compared to the Ho-Ni I's top speed of 36 km/h.

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: Type 3 (75 mm)

The Ho-Ni III features a modernized Type 3 75 mm tank gun, based on the Type 90 75 mm field gun as on the previous Ho-Ni I, still being a great cannon, even with a slightly higher battle rating. With the addition of two dedicated loaders in a fully closed casemate, the gun also gets almost a second cut down on its reload time, making it capable of even more destruction.

75 mm Type 3 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 46 -10°/+20° ±10° N/A 14.09 19.50 23.68 26.20 27.86 7.15 6.33 5.80 5.50
Realistic 9.52 11.20 13.60 15.04 16.00

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type 1 APHE APHE 103 101 92 82 73 65
Type 94 HE HE 12 12 12 12 12 12
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type 1 APHE APHE 668 6.56 1.3 15 84.8 47° 60° 65°
Type 94 HE HE 522 6.02 0.1 0.1 810 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Type 90 Smoke 570 5.72 13 5 20 100

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Ho-Ni III
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
46 45 (+1) 41 (+5) 37 (+9) 24 (+22) (+45) No

Turret empty: 37 (+9)

Usage in battles

The Ho-Ni III plays very similar to the Ho-Ni I with the added benefit of two extra crew which cuts down on the reload time for the 75 mm gun.

The starting Japanese player will also be quite accustomed to the handling of the hull, as it still is based on the Chi-Ha. But due to the added weight of the fully enclosed casemate, it is slower compared to its brother Chi-Ha.

With the added benefit of the casemate and crew, the Ho-Ni III sports better survivability, though, most shells will not knock you out in one shot due to having a total of five crew members. The crew isn't out in the open anymore and has sufficient armour from machine-gun fire from both ground & air enemies. Knowing this, you can stand to take more chances of sitting in one location and not have to worry about aircraft making a single pass and taking the vehicle out.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine Type 90 Smoke

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Effective 75 mm gun with APHE can penetrate all enemies at its rank
  • Effective -10° gun depression
  • Fully enclosed crew compartment provides better protection from strafing aircraft
  • Five man crew, three can be knocked out and the tank will still operate
  • Good gun traverse speed
  • Mobility is decent due to being built on a Chi-Ha chassis
  • Can utilise smoke shells

Cons:

  • Thin armour; close-quarters fighting is not advised
  • Four men are densely packed in the casemate
  • No coaxial machine gun to use against aircraft or GAZ trucks
  • Top speed is less compared to the Chi-Ha due to the added weight of the casemate

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.

Media

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Japan tank destroyers
Ro-Go Derivatives  Ro-Go Exp.
Chi-Ha Derivatives  Ho-Ni I · Ho-Ni III · Ho-Ro · Chi-Ha LG
Ho-Ri  Ho-Ri Prototype · Ho-Ri Production
Other  Na-To
JGSDF 
SPRG  Type 60 (C)
SPH  Type 75 · Type 99
ATGM  Type 60 ATM
Rocket  Type 75 MLRS
USA  ▅M36