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{{Specs-Card|code=fw-190f-8}}
 
 
{{About
 
{{About
 
| about = German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
| about = German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
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| usage = other versions
 
| link = Fw 190 (Family)
 
| link = Fw 190 (Family)
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|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
  
[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The 190 who thought it was a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the ageing Ju 87 series, but could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker, this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialised planes.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
 
 
 
The 190 who thought it was a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialized planes.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
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{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
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<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
  
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
 
|-
 
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
 
|-
 
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
|-
 
|603||583|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||24.8||25.3||9.3||11.6||453
 
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
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! Stock
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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| 605 || 585 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.5 || 25.5 || 11.7 || 11.7 || rowspan="2" | 453
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
 
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! AB
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! Upgraded
! RB
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| 670 || 635 || 21.9 || 23.2 || 21.7 || 15.8
! AB
 
! RB
 
! AB
 
! RB
 
|-
 
| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? ||453
 
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
====Details====
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==== Details ====
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
|-
 
|-
! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
! Take-off flap
 
! Landing flap
 
! Air brakes
 
! Arrestor gear
 
 
|-
 
|-
 
| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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|-
 
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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|-
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
! -
 
 
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| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} ||N/A|| ~19 || ~19
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 700 || 310 || ~13 || ~6
 
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|-
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
 
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| < 420 || < 510 || < 510 || > 280
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| < 420 || < 240 || < 550 || > 280
 
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|-
 
|}
 
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! WEP Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
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| 1,500 m || 1,602 hp || 1,954 hp  
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| 700 m || 1,498 hp || 1,874 hp
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
 
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
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! WEP Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
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| 5,900 m || 1,478 hp || 1,804 hp  
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| 5,300 m || 1,301 hp || 1,628 hp
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<!--! colspan="3" | Setting 3
 
|-
 
! Optimal altitude
 
! 100% Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
 
|-
 
|-
| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
 
|- -->
 
 
|}
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
 
* 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
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* 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
 
* 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
 
* 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
 
* 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
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The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just a pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 131 (13 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 131 (13 mm)}}
  
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with the following:
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
  
* 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
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* 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
  
 
=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
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{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|SC500K (500 kg)|SC1000L2 (1,000 kg)|Pb2}}
 
{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|SC500K (500 kg)|SC1000L2 (1,000 kg)|Pb2}}
 
{{main|MK 103 (30 mm)}}
 
{{main|MK 103 (30 mm)}}
  
Payload options for the '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' include:
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
  
 
* Without load
 
* Without load
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (200 kg total)
* 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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* 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (400 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
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* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb (250 kg total)
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
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* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (450 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
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* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb (500 kg total)
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
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* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (700 kg total)
* 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
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* 1 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
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* 1 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (1,200 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
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* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannons, gunpods (wing-mounted) (35 rpg = 70 total)
 
* 14 x Pb2 rockets
 
* 14 x Pb2 rockets
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its rank. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors manoeuvre is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded.
  
The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its rank. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded.
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In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, Boom & Zoom like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. [[B-17 (Family)|B-17s]] and [[Halifax B Mk IIIa|Halifaxes]] are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30 mm gunpods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gunpods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective especially with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either).
  
In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30mm gun pods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gun pods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective, with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either).
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In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, or bombs. The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the [[Do 335 (Family)|Do 335 (A-1 & B-2 variants)]] and [[Me 410 (Family)|Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants)]] can carry 1,000 kg worth of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.
  
In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, or bombs. The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do-335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1,000 kg of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
 
===Manual Engine Control===
 
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
 
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mixer
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! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" |Pitch
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" |Radiator
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
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! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
 
|-
 
|-
! Oil
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! Oil !! Water !! Type
! Water
 
! Type  
 
 
|-
 
|-
| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" |Combined|| rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable
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| Not controllable || Controllable<br>Auto control available || Not controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Combined || Not controllable<br>2 gears || Not controllable
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|}
 
 
 
===Modules===
 
The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator, that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
 
 
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! colspan="1" | Tier
 
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
 
! colspan="1" | Survivability
 
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
 
|-
 
| I
 
| Fuselage Repair
 
| Radiator
 
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| Offensive 13 mm
 
| ETC 501 I
 
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| II
 
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| Compressor
 
| Airframe
 
| New 13 mm MGs
 
| ETC 501 + ER 4 I
 
| R4/M HL modification
 
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| III
 
| Wings Repair
 
| Engine
 
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| Offensive 20 mm
 
| ETC 501 II
 
| ETC 502 + ER 4 II
 
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| IV
 
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| Engine Injection
 
| Cover
 
| New 20 mm cannons
 
| R3 Modification
 
| Offensive 30 mm
 
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Plenty of ammo for the armaments
 
* Plenty of ammo for the armaments
 
* The 30 mm gun pods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, air spawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
 
* The 30 mm gun pods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, air spawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
 
* Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
* 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings, therefore, is relatively inaccurate compared to nose-mounted
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* 30 mm cannons are mounted on the wings, therefore, is relatively inaccurate compared to nose-mounted
* Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
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* Firing the 30 mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
 
* Poor turn rate that many medium bombers can beat
 
* Poor turn rate that many medium bombers can beat
* Maneuverability at low speeds is bad
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* Manoeuvrability suffers at low speeds
 
* Elevator has low response & effect at low-medium speeds
 
* Elevator has low response & effect at low-medium speeds
 
* Bad climb rate for an Fw 190 especially with payloads
 
* Bad climb rate for an Fw 190 especially with payloads
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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=== In-game description ===
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The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Wuerger (Shrike) was a single-seat single-engine monoplane fighter used by the Luftwaffe in WWII. One of the best fighters of the time, it was widely used during the Second World War. A total of over 20,000 were produced, including some 6,000 fighter-bomber variants. The 190 remained in production from 1941 until the end of the war, going through multiple redesigns. The Fw 190 made a name for itself as a true Luftwaffe workhorse and was used in a wide variety of roles, including a high-altitude interceptor (especially the Fw 190D), escort fighter, fighter-bomber and night fighter.
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The Fw 190 F-8 was the most mass-produced variant of the Fw 190 F series, based on the Fw 190 A-8. By March 1944, Fw 190 F-8s were also produced by the Arado company in Warnemuende, and by April the NDW company in Wismar. The aircraft was powered by the BMW 801 D-2 engine with improved injector on the compressor, which provided emergency power for up to 10-15 minutes at 1,000 meters of altitude. Otherwise, the plane's equipment was largely similar to the A-8, although the FuG 16 ZY radio was replaced with the FuG 16 ZS in April 1944. This allowed direct communication with ground troops on the battlefield. A distinctive characteristic of the F-8 was a widened rear canopy. The new canopy was introduced in the latter half of 1944. It improved forward and downward visibility, which was very important for ground attack. On-board armament consisted of twin MG 131 machine guns in the fuselage and two MG 151/20E cannon in the wings.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
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* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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== External links ==
 
== External links ==
 
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
 
* ''other literature.''
 
* ''other literature.''
  
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{{AirManufacturer Focke-Wulf}}
 
{{Germany fighters}}
 
{{Germany fighters}}

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This page is about the German fighter Fw 190 F-8. For other versions, see Fw 190 (Family).
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Fw 190 F-8
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Description

The Fw 190 F-8 is a rank IV German fighter with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB), 4.7 (RB), and 4.3 (SB). It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.

The 190 who thought it was a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the ageing Ju 87 series, but could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker, this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialised planes.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 5 400 m635 km/h
Turn time23 s
Max altitude11 100 m
EngineBMW 801 TU
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight6 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 5,400 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 605 585 11100 24.5 25.5 11.7 11.7 453
Upgraded 670 635 21.9 23.2 21.7 15.8

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
912 310 N/A 700 310 ~13 ~6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 420 < 240 < 550 > 280
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
700 m 1,498 hp 1,874 hp
Setting 2
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
5,300 m 1,301 hp 1,628 hp

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural912 km/h
Gear310 km/h
  • 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
  • 10 mm Steel - Cowl ring
  • 6 mm Steel - Under engine armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armour plate
  • 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 6 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
  • 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 330 → 4 239 Sl icon.png
RB8 760 → 11 151 Sl icon.png
SB13 640 → 17 363 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications47 600 Rp icon.png
102 800 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 500 Ge icon.png
Crew training52 000 Sl icon.png
Experts180 000 Sl icon.png
Aces940 Ge icon.png
Research Aces480 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
110 / 240 / 390 % Sl icon.png
166 / 166 / 166 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
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Fuselage repair
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 500 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
3 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 700 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 500 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
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Cover
Research:
3 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 700 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg131_belt_pack
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
ETC 501 I
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
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mg131_new_gun
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 500 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
ETC 501 + ER 4 I
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 500 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow right 0.png
Mods pilon rocket.png
R4/M HL modification
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 500 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
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mg15120_belt_pack
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
ETC 501 II
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow right 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
ETC 501 + ER 4 II
Research:
2 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
230 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
mg15120_new_gun
Research:
3 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 700 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mods gunpods.png
R3 modification
Research:
3 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 700 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow right 0.png
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mk103_belt_pack
Research:
3 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 700 Sl icon.png
290 Ge icon.png

The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just a pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate750 shots/min
Weapon 22 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun
Ammunition800 rounds
Fire rate900 shots/min

The Fw 190 F-8 is armed with:

  • 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
  • 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)

Suspended armament

Number of setups10
List of setups
Setup 14 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
Setup 28 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
Setup 31 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
Setup 44 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
Setup 51 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
Setup 64 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
Setup 71 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
Setup 84 x 50 kg SC50JA bomb
1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
Setup 92 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon (secondary)
(ammunition: 70 rounds)
Setup 1014 x Pb2 rockets
Main article: MK 103 (30 mm)

The Fw 190 F-8 can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (200 kg total)
  • 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (400 kg total)
  • 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb (250 kg total)
  • 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (450 kg total)
  • 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb (500 kg total)
  • 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (700 kg total)
  • 1 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bomb (1,000 kg total)
  • 1 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bomb + 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (1,200 kg total)
  • 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannons, gunpods (wing-mounted) (35 rpg = 70 total)
  • 14 x Pb2 rockets

Usage in battles

The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its rank. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors manoeuvre is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded.

In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, Boom & Zoom like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30 mm gunpods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gunpods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective especially with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either).

In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, or bombs. The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do 335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1,000 kg worth of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Auto control available
Not controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Combined Not controllable
2 gears
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Plenty of ammo for the armaments
  • The 30 mm gun pods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, air spawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
  • Carrying the 30 mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
  • 30 mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except pillboxes
  • Ability to carry up to 1,200 kgs of payload, and is the only Fw 190 besides Dora series and the A5/U2 that can carry bombs
  • Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options
  • Access to 30 mm Mk 103 gun pods, Pb2 HEAT rockets, and a 1,000 kg bomb, which aren't available on any other German single-engine fighter
  • Great roll rate
  • Great energy retention
  • Climb rate is consistent until 6,000 m altitude
  • Can WEP pretty much nonstop
  • Well armoured from the front
  • Excellent tank busting capability

Cons:

  • Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
  • 30 mm cannons are mounted on the wings, therefore, is relatively inaccurate compared to nose-mounted
  • Firing the 30 mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
  • Poor turn rate that many medium bombers can beat
  • Manoeuvrability suffers at low speeds
  • Elevator has low response & effect at low-medium speeds
  • Bad climb rate for an Fw 190 especially with payloads
  • WEP doesn't significantly boost performance

History

In-game description

The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Wuerger (Shrike) was a single-seat single-engine monoplane fighter used by the Luftwaffe in WWII. One of the best fighters of the time, it was widely used during the Second World War. A total of over 20,000 were produced, including some 6,000 fighter-bomber variants. The 190 remained in production from 1941 until the end of the war, going through multiple redesigns. The Fw 190 made a name for itself as a true Luftwaffe workhorse and was used in a wide variety of roles, including a high-altitude interceptor (especially the Fw 190D), escort fighter, fighter-bomber and night fighter.

The Fw 190 F-8 was the most mass-produced variant of the Fw 190 F series, based on the Fw 190 A-8. By March 1944, Fw 190 F-8s were also produced by the Arado company in Warnemuende, and by April the NDW company in Wismar. The aircraft was powered by the BMW 801 D-2 engine with improved injector on the compressor, which provided emergency power for up to 10-15 minutes at 1,000 meters of altitude. Otherwise, the plane's equipment was largely similar to the A-8, although the FuG 16 ZY radio was replaced with the FuG 16 ZS in April 1944. This allowed direct communication with ground troops on the battlefield. A distinctive characteristic of the F-8 was a widened rear canopy. The new canopy was introduced in the latter half of 1944. It improved forward and downward visibility, which was very important for ground attack. On-board armament consisted of twin MG 131 machine guns in the fuselage and two MG 151/20E cannon in the wings.

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Focke-Wulf Aircraft Corporation (Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau Aktiengesellschaft)
Fighters  Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U2 · Fw 190 A-8 · Fw 190 C · Fw 190 D-9 · Fw 190 D-12 · Fw 190 D-13 · Fw 190 F-8
Tank Fighters  Ta 152 C-3* · Ta 152 H-1* · Ta 154 A-1*
Bombers  Fw 189 A-1 · Fw 200 C-1
Export  ▅Fw 190 A-5
Captured  ▃Fw 190 A-8 · ▂Fw 190 D-9 · NC.900
  * In 1944, the Germany Air Ministry changed new fighter aircraft designation to that of the chief designer. Kurt Tank was the chief designer at Focke-Wulf and later aircraft he designed were given the prefix of Ta.

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