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{{Specs-Card|code=us_m2a2}}
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{{Specs-Card|code=fr_lorraine_155}}
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{{About
 
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| about = American light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}} is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} American light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.49 "Weapons of Victory"|Update 1.49 (1.70.1945) "Weapons of Victory"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]].
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The most common and most used American tank in pre-war years. The M2A2 was armed with a .50 and .30 calibre machine gun. The Spanish Civil War showed that tanks with MG main armament were ineffective. This led to the upgrade to the [[M2A4]]. In the game, the M2A2 is lightning fast, with very weak armour and a subpar armament.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
  
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If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.-->
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'''Armour type:'''
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The whole armour is made out of '''rolled homogeneous armour ''' plates. Tracks provide 15 mm of armour.
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Structural steel
  
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || 15.8 mm (20°) ''Driver port'' <br> 15.8 mm (71°) ''Front Glacis'' <br> 15.8 mm (18-59°) ''Lower Glacis'' || 12.7 mm || 6.35 mm (2-61°) || 6.35 mm  
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
 
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| Turret || 15.8 mm (0-2°) ''Turret front'' <br> 15.8 mm (2°) ''Gun mantlet' || 15.8 mm (0-1°) || 15.8 mm (2°) || 6.35 mm  
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
 
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof  
 
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof  
 
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| Cupola || 15.8 mm (2°) || 6.35 mm
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
 
|}
 
|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 639|rbMinHp= 398}}
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|-
 
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! colspan="3" |Mobility characteristic
 
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|-
 
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!Weight (tons)
 
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! colspan="1" |Add-on Armor
 
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weight (tons)
 
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! colspan="1" |Max speed (km/h)
 
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|-
 
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| rowspan="2" |8.7 || rowspan="2" colspan="1" |N/A|| colspan="1" |80 (AB)
 
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|72 (RB/SB)
 
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! colspan="3" |Engine power (horsepower)
 
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|-
 
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! colspan="1" |Mode
 
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!Stock
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|308
 
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|379
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|232
 
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|262
 
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! colspan="3" |Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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|-
 
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! colspan="1" |Mode
 
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!Stock
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|35.40
 
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|43.56
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|26.67
 
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|30.11
 
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|}
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|Browning M2HB (12.7 mm)}}
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
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{| class="wikitable"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="6" |[[Browning M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
 
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! colspan="2" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" |Fire rate<br>(shots/min)
 
 
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
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| colspan="2" | 1,400 (200) || 577 || -10°/+20° || -170°/+20° || N/A
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
 
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| ''Arcade'' || 18.90 || 19.76 || __.__ || __.__ || 28.24
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| ''Arcade'' || 5.27 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45
 
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| ''Realistic'' || 8.93 || 10.5 || __.__ || __.__ || 15.00
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.57 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.64 || 6.0
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| 10.4 || __.__ || __.__ || 8.00
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| 26.0 || 23.0 || 21.2 || 20.0
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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! 10m
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! 100m
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! 500m
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! 1000m
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! 1500m
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! 2000m
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| M107 || HE || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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! 100%
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 43.1 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 6,860 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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| M110 || 563 || 40.8 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
 
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|}
 
|}
  
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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[[File:Ammoracks {{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumbnail|[[Ammo racks|Ammo rack]] of M2A2|x250px]]
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|right|thumbnail|x250px|Ammo racks of the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! 3rd<br />  rack empty
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! 4th<br />  rack empty
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! 5th<br />  rack empty
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! 6th<br />  rack empty
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! 7th <br /> rack empty
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! 8th <br /> rack empty
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! Visual discrepancy
 
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|| '''7''' || 4 ''(+3)'' || 6 ''(+1)'' || style="text-align:center" | No  
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|| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27 ''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' ||6&nbsp;''(+24)''||1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| style="text-align:left" | No  
 
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'''Notes:'''
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* Recommended ammo load: '''10'''.  ''Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.''
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
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{{main|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
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The M2A2 is armed with a secondary 30 cal. machine gun in a separate turret. This leads to it and the main turret to be unable to rotate 360 degrees. The 30 cal can be somewhat useful against very lightly armoured AA vehicles and can be used as a distraction for enemy tanks.
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|20 mm MG151/20]]
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! colspan="7" | ''Commander's mount''
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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| colspan="4" | 400 (250) || 700 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The M2A2 is a strange vehicle as a twin-turreted machine-gun armament only vehicle. It is, however, fast, and could be sped around as a scout tank to get on the enemy's side. Your main turret, which uses 12.7 mm (.50) MG  can only fire forward and to the left, with secondary turret (which sports standard 7.62 mm (.30) MG, which can only really scare SPAA trucks) firing to the right.
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
  
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The .50 cal main armament makes it necessary to rush as close to enemy as possible, as it could only penetrate ~20 mm at standard ranges, meaning that it is only really effective against the reserve tanks, and even so, the machine guns often may only be effective when shot at the flat sides or even only at the engine deck.
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Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
  
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Avoid any "medium" and "heavy" tanks like [[M13/40 (Family)|M13/40]] or [[R.35 (SA38)]], as they will resist even pure AP belt fired point blank. Avoid messing with tanks of BR 2.0, as even lightly armoured tanks of that rank are only vulnerable from the sides and only from about 100 m away or closer. If you absolutely have to attack them, drive in circles around them and shoot at their weakspots, like engines or turret neck, whenever you get a chance.
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.  
  
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Mostly your targets will be "[[AB41|scout]]" and "[[A13 Mk II|sniper]]" tanks, as you can do serious damage to them. To avoid getting annihilated while attacking them from the front, you can fire at their turret while approaching them. Quite often, even if you can't penetrate them as is, they will un-angle themselves, trying to fire at you by turning their flat turret armour parts towards your fire, dooming themselves. If it didn't penetrate, you already lost and shouldn't have attacked them in the first place.
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=== Modules ===
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Overall, it is best to not go around the map without a buddy with a cannon to provide a substantial upgrade in firepower, should it come face to face with the enemy.
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! Tier
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Another way to use the M2A2 is as an SPAA. The turrets have decent gun elevation so hitting aircraft is quite easy. The .30 and .50 cal machine guns are very good at destroying any planes at its BR or at least will cripple them. It is recommended to turn the hull with the turrets so you can fire both guns and will not end up only firing one.
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! Protection
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! colspan="2" | Firepower
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| I
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| Tracks
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| Parts
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| Horizontal Drive
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| M110
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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| III
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| Filters
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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| IV
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| Transmission
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| Engine
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Very fast, can reach 60 km/h on a road in AB
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Can sacrifice speed to make a fast turn
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
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* Accurate in the long run
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* Decent mobility
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* High and stable fire rate
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* Good reverse speed
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Armour is only sufficient to protect itself against machine gun fire
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Pathetic armament, which can be used only against anti-air vehicles and some light tanks, and some sides or rears of medium tanks, but not all
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* Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
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* Two non-fully rotating turrets
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* Large profile
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* In an event in which the .50 gunner is knocked out, the .30 machine gun can't do much to protect the tank
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* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
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* Cramped crew
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
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* Any high speed collision can result in the driver and co-drivers knockout, or worse the entire crew
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* No AP shells, only HE shells
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* Terrible steering, not adequate under gear 2
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* Bad gun depression of 5°
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* Can get stuck when driving up the hills without track upgrade
 
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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===Development===
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
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The '''M2 Light Tank''' series was an American pre-World War II design as their answer to a fast, effective tank in a cavalry role.  
 
  
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The idea of light tanks started with the Defense Act of 1920, which defined tanks as an infantry support weapon, but the idea of a cavalry role for the tanks was brought up by multiple theorists, to which the British were the first to incorporate with the ''cruiser tanks''. Limitation in American development leads to the establishment of light tanks as the ''combat cars''. The development team soon looked at the tank prototypes ''T1 Light Tank'' and the ''T2 medium tank'' and decide to use them as the basis for the light tank design.
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== Media ==
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Modifications made onto the experimental tanks, mostly installing the new Vertical Volute Spring Suspension (VVSS) that would be the main suspension in future American tank development, made the tanks into the '''M2A1 Light Tank'''. The main version used before the war was designated the '''M2A2''', which had two turrets, both with a .50 calibre M2 Browning as its armament. However, the Spanish Civil War showed that this kind of tank is insufficient in tank warfare, so initially the design was revised with improved armour up to 22 mm ('''M2A3''') and then with one turret with a 37 mm cannon, this would become the [[M2A4|'''M2A4''']], which would be the main light tank variant in US service before World War II broke out.
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_155 Skin and Camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
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===Combat usage===
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Although the M2 light tanks were promising in their introduction, they were soon succeeded by the [[M3 Stuart|M3]] and [[M5A1|M5]] light tanks. The M2 light tanks were seen by armament as a stopgap solution for the dire need of tanks and a development project for tank improvements. By December 1941, the M2 light tanks were being used for training only in the US Army, but the Marine Corps used them in the Battle of Guadalcanal in the Pacific due to the lack of M3 light tanks available.
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{{Youtube-gallery|YZtAEsSpwNM|'''The Shooting Range #96''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.|_xCgMBOiA8U|'''High-explosive power''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:50 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
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Revision as of 21:48, 15 August 2020

Rank VI Israel | Premium | Golden Eagles
Merkava Mk.2D Pack
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
fr_lorraine_155.png
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
France flag.png France
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.3 4.3 4.3
Class:
PREMIUM
Purchase:Bundle or Gift
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Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing 		16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield 		16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side 		10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  • Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
  • Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 16 30 639 1,145 21.3 38.17
Realistic 55 15 398 600 13.27 20

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 5.27 7.31 8.88 9.82 10.45
Realistic 3.57 4.2 5.1 5.64 6.0
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 23.0 21.2 20.0
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 54 54 54 54 54 54
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.1 0.1 6,860 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Screen radius
in m 		Screen time
in s 		Screen hold time
in s: 		Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 40.8 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		Visual discrepancy
30 29 (+1) 27 (+3) 23 (+7) 18 (+12) 15 (+15) 9 (+21) 6 (+24) 1 (+29) No

Notes:

  • Recommended ammo load: 10. Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive M110
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Good reverse speed

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #96 - Metal Beasts section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
High-explosive power discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 at 0:50 - War Thunder Official Channel

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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