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| + | The F-104G has no armour; be it in the form of armour plates or armoured glass. Fuel tanks are self-sealing, which is pretty much a standard feature at this rank. The F-104G also has access to countermeasures as a tier I modification (unlike [[F-104G (China)|Chinese F-104G]]) and Radar Warning Receiver as a tier IV modification. | ||
=== Modifications and economy === | === Modifications and economy === | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
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| + | * Good top speed. | ||
| + | * Great rate of climb; even the F-4 Phantom may struggle to match it. | ||
| + | * Decent high-speed manoeuvrability. | ||
| + | * Good roll rate for a plane with tiny wings. | ||
| + | * M61 Vulcan cannon can do some serious damage to an enemy plane. | ||
| + | * Wide selection of secondary ordnance; much better than early F-104s. | ||
| + | * High thrust to weight ratio. | ||
| + | |||
* | * | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Lousy low-speed manoeuvrability. | ||
| + | * Bleeds energy quickly in sustained turn-fights. | ||
| + | * Large turning radius due to small wing surface and high speed. | ||
| + | * High takeoff and landing speeds. | ||
| + | * Mediocre IR missiles compared to competitors. | ||
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* | * | ||
== History == | == History == | ||
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| + | The story of the Italian F104-G originally began in America, on February of 1954 at the Lockheed facilities in America the first 2 prototypes of the F104 would take flight for the first time. America was looking to develop a new aircraft in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. The aircraft would incorporate the smallest air-frame, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. Although the program would have some minor setbacks, such as the proper intended engine for it not being available during the beginning, development would continue and would lead to the first variant of the F104, the F104-A. From the base variant of the F-104 many variants would begin to be developed, such as the F104-C, the F-104-S and in this case, the F-104-G. The main differences of the G variant compared to the others would be a reinforced air-frame, larger vertical stabilizer, updated turbofans, and improved electronics. Due to these changes, the F104-G would be known as the "definitive" variant of the Starfighter. The G would first take flight on October of 1960, it would initially be built for the German Luftwaffe as at the time they were looking for an a fast aircraft which would be able to deliver nuclear payloads, however that didn't stop it from generating enough interest to be exported and licence produced in many countries, such as in Italy. The aircraft's licensing was handled by multiple manufacturers, notably Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB), FIAT Aviazione, Fokker, and Sociétés Anonyme Belge de Constructions Aéronautiques (SABCA). The first aircraft (MM 6501) was delivered to Italy on March 3rd of 1961, in America. The first would be built by Lockheed, however after being transferred to Italy it was dismantled and used as a model for the construction under license of the 105 units ordered by AMI. Aeritalia ended up producing a total 230 Starfighters in different versions, of which 124 would be made for the Italian Air Force. The F-104-G in Italian service was mainly used as an all-weather interceptor armed with AIM-9B Sidewinder infrared guided air-to-air missiles. Other departments instead used the F-104G as a conventional or strike fighter-bomber. The F-104-G would eventually be replaced in these roles by the “Tornado IDS”, the F-104-Gs were concentrated at the 3rd Aerobrigata (later 3rd Stormo) which already used the RF-104G reconnaissance variant. Just about a core of F/RF-104G of the 3rd Wing took part in the 1991 Gulf War, operating from the Turkish base of Incirlik. Most of the F-104-G's would be turned into static displays or kept inside museums, for example one resides in Vigna di Valle Airforce museum, this one was the first entirely Italian-built F-104 G which first flew on the 5th October of 1962. | ||
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Revision as of 12:50, 4 December 2021
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Contents
Description
The ▄F-104G Starfighter is a rank VI Italian jet fighter with a battle rating of 10.3 (AB), 10.7 (RB), and 10.0 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Direct Hit".
General info
Flight performance
Arrestor gear
Accelerates braking by grabbing the brake cable on the deck of the aircraft carrier
Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Drogue parachute
Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway
Max speed
at 15 240 m2 387 km/h
Turn time34 s
Max altitude16 000 m
EngineGeneral Electric J79-GE-11
Type
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight24 t
| Characteristics | Max Speed (km/h at 15,240 m) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
| Stock | 2,341 | 2,315 | 16000 | 34.5 | 35.1 | 230.3 | 222.2 | 850 |
| Upgraded | 2,433 | 2,387 | 33.5 | 34.0 | 292.1 | 260.0 | ||
Details
| Features | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear | Drogue chute |
| X | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| Limits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
| Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
| 0 | 546 | N/A | 827 | 444 | ~12 | ~5 |
| Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
| < 720 | < 950 | < 800 | N/A |
Engine performance
| Engine | Aircraft mass | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Engine name | Number | Basic mass | Wing loading (full fuel) | ||||
| General Electric J79-GE-11 | 1 | 6,552 kg | 532 kg/m2 | ||||
| Engine characteristics | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) | Max Takeoff Weight | |||||
| Weight (each) | Type | 10m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 35m fuel | ||
| 1,615 kg | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet | 7,344 kg | 8,057 kg | 8,809 kg | 9,194 kg | 24,000 kg | |
| Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP) | ||||||
| Condition | 100% | WEP | 10m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 35m fuel | MTOW |
| Stationary | 4,128 kgf | 6,357 kgf | 0.87 | 0.79 | 0.72 | 0.69 | 0.26 |
| Optimal | 4,128 kgf (0 km/h) |
8,391 kgf (1,200 km/h) |
1.14 | 1.04 | 0.95 | 0.91 | 0.35 |
Survivability and armour
Flares/Chaff
Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar
Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear546 km/h
The F-104G has no armour; be it in the form of armour plates or armoured glass. Fuel tanks are self-sealing, which is pretty much a standard feature at this rank. The F-104G also has access to countermeasures as a tier I modification (unlike Chinese F-104G) and Radar Warning Receiver as a tier IV modification.
Modifications and economy
Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 018 → 4 077 
RB8 798 → 11 886
SB10 132 → 13 688
Total cost of modifications195 000 
302 000
Talisman cost2 700 
Crew training175 000
Experts620 000
Aces2 600
Research Aces1 010 000
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
120 / 300 / 600 %
226 / 226 / 226 %
| Flight performance | Survivability | Weaponry | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
| Ballistic Computer | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| CCIP (Guns) | CCIP (Rockets) | CCIP (Bombs) | CCRP (Bombs) |
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Offensive armament
The F-104G (Italy) is armed with:
- A choice between two presets:
- 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon, chin-mounted (725 rpg)
- 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon, chin-mounted (750 rpg) + 60 x countermeasures
Suspended armament
The F-104G (Italy) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
- Without load
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
- 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total)
- 3 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (1,500 lb total)
- 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (3,000 lb total)
- 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb (2,000 lb total)
- 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
- 8 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (1,500 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (3,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb (2,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb + 2 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
- 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 8 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (1,500 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (3,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb (2,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb + 2 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
- 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles + 8 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
Usage in battles
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Good top speed.
- Great rate of climb; even the F-4 Phantom may struggle to match it.
- Decent high-speed manoeuvrability.
- Good roll rate for a plane with tiny wings.
- M61 Vulcan cannon can do some serious damage to an enemy plane.
- Wide selection of secondary ordnance; much better than early F-104s.
- High thrust to weight ratio.
Cons:
- Lousy low-speed manoeuvrability.
- Bleeds energy quickly in sustained turn-fights.
- Large turning radius due to small wing surface and high speed.
- High takeoff and landing speeds.
- Mediocre IR missiles compared to competitors.
History
The story of the Italian F104-G originally began in America, on February of 1954 at the Lockheed facilities in America the first 2 prototypes of the F104 would take flight for the first time. America was looking to develop a new aircraft in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. The aircraft would incorporate the smallest air-frame, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. Although the program would have some minor setbacks, such as the proper intended engine for it not being available during the beginning, development would continue and would lead to the first variant of the F104, the F104-A. From the base variant of the F-104 many variants would begin to be developed, such as the F104-C, the F-104-S and in this case, the F-104-G. The main differences of the G variant compared to the others would be a reinforced air-frame, larger vertical stabilizer, updated turbofans, and improved electronics. Due to these changes, the F104-G would be known as the "definitive" variant of the Starfighter. The G would first take flight on October of 1960, it would initially be built for the German Luftwaffe as at the time they were looking for an a fast aircraft which would be able to deliver nuclear payloads, however that didn't stop it from generating enough interest to be exported and licence produced in many countries, such as in Italy. The aircraft's licensing was handled by multiple manufacturers, notably Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB), FIAT Aviazione, Fokker, and Sociétés Anonyme Belge de Constructions Aéronautiques (SABCA). The first aircraft (MM 6501) was delivered to Italy on March 3rd of 1961, in America. The first would be built by Lockheed, however after being transferred to Italy it was dismantled and used as a model for the construction under license of the 105 units ordered by AMI. Aeritalia ended up producing a total 230 Starfighters in different versions, of which 124 would be made for the Italian Air Force. The F-104-G in Italian service was mainly used as an all-weather interceptor armed with AIM-9B Sidewinder infrared guided air-to-air missiles. Other departments instead used the F-104G as a conventional or strike fighter-bomber. The F-104-G would eventually be replaced in these roles by the “Tornado IDS”, the F-104-Gs were concentrated at the 3rd Aerobrigata (later 3rd Stormo) which already used the RF-104G reconnaissance variant. Just about a core of F/RF-104G of the 3rd Wing took part in the 1991 Gulf War, operating from the Turkish base of Incirlik. Most of the F-104-G's would be turned into static displays or kept inside museums, for example one resides in Vigna di Valle Airforce museum, this one was the first entirely Italian-built F-104 G which first flew on the 5th October of 1962.
Media
Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the aircraft;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:
- topic on the official game forum;
- other literature.
| Fiat Aviation (Fiat Aviazione) | |
|---|---|
| Fighters | CR.32 · CR.32 bis · CR.32 quater |
| CR.42 · Marcolin's C.R.42 CN · ▀Marcolin's C.R.42 CN | |
| G.50 serie 2 · G.50 AS serie 7 | |
| G.55 sottoserie 0 · G.55 serie 1 · G.55S | |
| G.56 | |
| Jet fighters | G.91 pre-serie · G.91 R/1 · G.91 Y · G.91 YS |
| ▄F-86K* | |
| ▄F-104G* · F-104S* · F-104S.ASA* · ▄F-104S TAF* | |
| Strike aircraft | F.C.20 Bis |
| Bombers | B.R.20DR · B.R.20M M1 |
| Export/Captured | J11 · ▀CR.42 |
| ▀G.50 serie 2 · ▀G.50 AS serie 7 | |
| ◄G.91 R/3 · ◄G.91 R/4 · G.91 R/4 | |
| *Licensed | |
| See also | North American Aviation · Lockheed Martin |
| Italy jet aircraft | |
|---|---|
| Aerfer | Sagittario 2 · Ariete |
| Fiat | G.91 pre-serie · G.91 R/1 · G.91 R/4 (Portugal) · G.91 Y · G.91 YS |
| AMX International | AMX |
| Panavia | Tornado ADV · ▄Tornado IDS (1995) |
| Foreign: | |
| Vampire | Vampire FB 52A |
| F-84 | ▄F-84F · ▄F-84G-21-RE |
| F-86 | CL-13 Mk.4 · ▄F-86K |
| F-104 | ▄F-104G · F-104S · ▄F-104S TAF (Turkey) · F-104S.ASA |
| F-16 | ▄F-16A ADF |
| AV-8 | ▄AV-8B Plus |
| Hungary | |
| Mikoyan-Gurevich | ◔MiG-15bis · ◔MiG-17PF · ◔MiG-21MF · ◔MiG-21bis-SAU · ◔MiG-23MF · ◔MiG-29 |
| Ilyushin | ◔IL-28 |
| Sukhoi | ◔Su-22M3 |
| Saab | ◔JAS39EBS HU C |
